Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XVII
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its because there isn't a good argument for unless the b's are going to rebuild and jacobs will never let that happen. i don't believe the teams needs a rebuild either. a smart retool, yes. we have pieces to move forward with a retool strategy.
Deal Law
Cynic with a bar license
I need to see Sweeney fired almost more than I need air, and I think anyone on a roster is available for the right price. With all of that in mind, it really doesn't make any sense whatsoever to trade Pasta for what would reasonably be offered by contenders.
Why trade a guy in hopes of acquiring/developing someone who will turn into the same guy? Just keep the guy.
The only reason to do it is if you are bringing back proven top young players who address needs that are harder to fill and where the ages better align with where Boston is heading over the next 5 years. Like players in their early 20's who project to be probable legit 1C or elite top pair D. I'm not sure who those players would be that could be had, are genuinely on their way as proven NHL stars, and don't come with question marks.
An argument could be made for somebody like E Pettersson... but I have questions there so I say no. I'm not sure who else to put on the list. I'm not interested in the Joe Thornton (or Seguin) style 4-for-1 trade where you get a few "good" players for a star. Note that I would not include Beniers or Byfield as the type of return to take in a Pastrnak deal. You need a player(s) at the next level above that.
Or in other words, sure we could probably dream up a few scenarios where trading Pasta is a valid choice but they are probably 99.5% unrealistic, if not ill advised.
Whenever you find yourself distracted by this or that imperfection of Pastrnak, remember how he would look playing next to a true star #1 center. An offensive machine. Imagine him with McDavid or McKinnon or a few others. Point being, probably most of the boredom (by which I mean taking him for granted) or nitpicking of watching Pastrnak in Boston is a function of who he plays with. In certain other situations, he would probably be the clear #1 scoring winger in the league, playing on a world beater 1st line.
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I’m not forgetting anything - I simply (and theoretically, not a certainty of course) value what he could return more than I do his floundering on an overall deficient team that has no other straight forward paths to restocking
Pasta scoring 50 on a chronically DNQ team isn’t value to me
I don’t prefer this path - I see it as, potentially, an overall more viable path big picture
Example?
pucksindeep92
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With barely a week left before the deadline, there is plenty of talk about who could be moved versus who should still be here next season, etc.
I’d like to examine the following Bruins we could move on from against the following UFA players who would in some way or another, would be equivalent, better, or just different in ways that help form an identity moving forward. While replacement is the word I’d like to think about here, I’m not saying they replace the style, just the position. Some may not be replacement perfectly, but are worth considering as potentials for who could be moved out and help with the identity and roles of the team moving forward. In some instances, you move a player to gain picks/prospects/roster players knowing that the free agent “replacement” for their position doesn’t cost anything to acquire besides the cap hit.
Think about the chemical makeup you want to build. This is an opportunity to reinvent and re-tool your lineup. We don’t have speed, scorers, or skill like real contenders do. We also have no prospects really coming up to be excited about (Lohrei and Poitras are roster players at this point). We need to restock the cupboard. Selling, developing, and acquiring for free is how you do your team well for the future.
* I fully realize some of these players may not make it to Free Agency*
Players worth considering for Trades:
Frederic -
Brazzeau -
Carlo -
Coyle -
Marchand -
Peeke -
Wotherspoon -
Koepke-
Beecher -
FA’s worth considering:
Rantanen
Marner
Ehlers
Boeser
Gavrikov
Chychrun
Ekblad
Pettersson (D)
Duchene
Giroux
Pionk
Donato
No doubt people will roll their eyes at Duchene or Giroux because of age. I get that with trying to get younger. However, we sorely miss some veteran presence like Foligno, Maroon, JVR etc provided. Those two actually would be great on our third line or fill where needed. They can definitely contribute offensively, and provide intangibles, and would like cost 5 or less, being a great fill in for some of what Marchand and Coyle provide, or an improvement on Coyle at least. Factor in the idea that Marchand or Coyle could be moved and you suddenly only have the two Lindholms as your only skaters over 30… maybe not the best chemical makeup to bank on.
Having Ehlers or Boeser may not bring in the star power of Rantanen or Marner, but are better value signings. They also help ease the concept of not being able to re-sign Marchand or Geekie. Even with Brad and Morgan, we still need wingers that can score. If you told me I can have Geekie for 5.5x4 or Boeser for 7.15x5, I’m going Boeser because you gain assets from Geekie, and Boeser is a more natural scorer.
Now you could say trading Carlo and adding Chychrun doesn’t make sense for us because we have Lohrei and Lindholm for mobile D and Carlo should be shut down. But Chych is solid and responsible, and helps move the puck out which we have awful issues with, and is younger. He then makes moving literally anybody else on D more feasible for those who think moving Lindholm, Mac, or Lohrei are worth the return you get regardless if I agree with you there. Gavrikov or Pionk or Ekblad are obviously the more comparable replacements for Carlo, albeit at various costs salary wise. In a pipe dream, any of them replace a magic Zadorov dump.
I don’t like Marner, but I’d consider paying him 12.25 (he likely goes for more). Where else do you get the chance at somebody like that without giving up the farm? Rantanen is also an eye catcher and would do for 12.5, but I’m not sure about more after seeing him in Carolina…
Zacha isn’t on the trade list because you aren’t really replacing him via free agency this year. A trade, maybe but value wise he a package asset for someone huge.
I’d like to examine the following Bruins we could move on from against the following UFA players who would in some way or another, would be equivalent, better, or just different in ways that help form an identity moving forward. While replacement is the word I’d like to think about here, I’m not saying they replace the style, just the position. Some may not be replacement perfectly, but are worth considering as potentials for who could be moved out and help with the identity and roles of the team moving forward. In some instances, you move a player to gain picks/prospects/roster players knowing that the free agent “replacement” for their position doesn’t cost anything to acquire besides the cap hit.
Think about the chemical makeup you want to build. This is an opportunity to reinvent and re-tool your lineup. We don’t have speed, scorers, or skill like real contenders do. We also have no prospects really coming up to be excited about (Lohrei and Poitras are roster players at this point). We need to restock the cupboard. Selling, developing, and acquiring for free is how you do your team well for the future.
* I fully realize some of these players may not make it to Free Agency*
Players worth considering for Trades:
Frederic -
Brazzeau -
Carlo -
Coyle -
Marchand -
Peeke -
Wotherspoon -
Koepke-
Beecher -
FA’s worth considering:
Rantanen
Marner
Ehlers
Boeser
Gavrikov
Chychrun
Ekblad
Pettersson (D)
Duchene
Giroux
Pionk
Donato
No doubt people will roll their eyes at Duchene or Giroux because of age. I get that with trying to get younger. However, we sorely miss some veteran presence like Foligno, Maroon, JVR etc provided. Those two actually would be great on our third line or fill where needed. They can definitely contribute offensively, and provide intangibles, and would like cost 5 or less, being a great fill in for some of what Marchand and Coyle provide, or an improvement on Coyle at least. Factor in the idea that Marchand or Coyle could be moved and you suddenly only have the two Lindholms as your only skaters over 30… maybe not the best chemical makeup to bank on.
Having Ehlers or Boeser may not bring in the star power of Rantanen or Marner, but are better value signings. They also help ease the concept of not being able to re-sign Marchand or Geekie. Even with Brad and Morgan, we still need wingers that can score. If you told me I can have Geekie for 5.5x4 or Boeser for 7.15x5, I’m going Boeser because you gain assets from Geekie, and Boeser is a more natural scorer.
Now you could say trading Carlo and adding Chychrun doesn’t make sense for us because we have Lohrei and Lindholm for mobile D and Carlo should be shut down. But Chych is solid and responsible, and helps move the puck out which we have awful issues with, and is younger. He then makes moving literally anybody else on D more feasible for those who think moving Lindholm, Mac, or Lohrei are worth the return you get regardless if I agree with you there. Gavrikov or Pionk or Ekblad are obviously the more comparable replacements for Carlo, albeit at various costs salary wise. In a pipe dream, any of them replace a magic Zadorov dump.
I don’t like Marner, but I’d consider paying him 12.25 (he likely goes for more). Where else do you get the chance at somebody like that without giving up the farm? Rantanen is also an eye catcher and would do for 12.5, but I’m not sure about more after seeing him in Carolina…
Zacha isn’t on the trade list because you aren’t really replacing him via free agency this year. A trade, maybe but value wise he a package asset for someone huge.
Oddly enough, they went up 3-0 and I thought, "It's gonna be hilarious to see how they blow this." then Pastrnak scored to make it 4-3 and I thought, "Yeah, they are definitely blowing this."
It was indeed hilarious to see how they blew that game, and I laughed out loud very accordingly.
If they can't right the ship, or build a bigger boat around Pastrnak in the next few years, cut him loose.
Any thoughts who that could be (Eichel-like force a trade)? I'm having a hard time coming up with names that don't come with blinking red lights. Maybe Nemec in NJ if he doesn't see a clear path. Some more Buffalo guys? I would love Tage Thompson, I'll say that. But that's just me wishcasting. Any genuine candidates?
not trying to be snarky but other than the endless retool discussions and examples on the board for the last many months? just today i've read what seems like 3000 posts on this topic. trading pasta is a white flag rebuild. i don't think the b's need that.
Sheppy
NeelyDan eats corn the long way
If you trade Pastrnak, you're hoping that draft pick or player becomes him at best. They don't need a full on rebuild. They need to be smart, sell and get a few picks back and unload a few contracts.
Over the volcano
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Sheppy
NeelyDan eats corn the long way
True, and that kind of leaves us in a weird spot. That's essentially a full on rebuild then. Everyone prepared for that? haha.
Agreed on both points
I’m not out here advocating this as an airtight approach, simply saying what I’d do and eager to understand other perspectives
BlackFrancis
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The problem with trading Pastrnak is getting 100% value in return. Late 1sts, nothing prospects and salary ballast are highly unwelcome.
If LA is going all in for Kopitar's twilight and want to send over Byfield, Greentree and Pinelli, well, that's worth a listen.
BigGoalBrad
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The problem with trading Pasternak is everything. He's top and lives in the same neighborhood as McDavid. Could end up top 5 all time in goals. He's still young. Carrying an awful team. There's no trade that makes it worth it.
Also few to no injury concerns unlike a McAvoy. He's not even soft anymore either doesn't get pushed around in the slot and has filled out. You don't want him trying to be a 4th liner but he still has some grit unlike a Carlo.
#1 overall in a generational draft and a guy 10 years younger or McDavid some move where we add sure. But who's doing that. And I'm not even sure id flip him for Celebrini or Bedard. He should be good into his 40s like Ovi.
BigGoalBrad
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He's gonna be better in his 30s than 20s he doesn't rely on speed and won't slow down.
Bruin4
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I hope something happens quick because this Trade Pasta talk is insane !!!!!!!!
BigGoalBrad
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I think it's just 1-2 folks on here who want attention.
Would be more stupid than the Mavs trading Luka.
