Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XII

[Over the volcano]

I assume if I wrote a counter argument against the millionaires tax that would constitute politics no? Then what are we doing here?

Only point is - taxes aren't the reason the Bruins are struggling.

 

[Coach Parker]

I still like them both, too. I've been disappointed in Lindholm thus far, though. I just hope we get to see if they elevate for the playoffs- right now I am feeling about 50/50 on whether they get in.

That's the problem for me too; the last several years the Bruins built a solid regular season team. The NHL playoffs then play a completely different game and toss the regular season rules aside.

SO, Boston builds a playoff team this year and now have to claw their way into the playoffs playing that style and hoping the management team can get them scoring help that will pull them into the playoffs.

The way Ottawa, Montreal and the Rangers are playing right now should have them worried.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

That's the problem for me too; the last several years the Bruins built a solid regular season team. The NHL playoffs then play a completely different game and toss the regular season rules aside.

SO, Boston builds a playoff team this year and now have to claw their way into the playoffs playing that style and hoping the management team can get them scoring help that will pull them into the playoffs.

The way Ottawa, Montreal and the Rangers are playing right now should have them worried.

Unless you don’t believe what they were doing was building a “playoff team”. They keep learning the wrong lessons from losing to Florida.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I didn’t care for either signing at the time and was pretty vocal ahead of it that I didn’t want either player.

Playing Tyler Johnson, Oliver Wahlstrom, and Vinny Lettieri over Lysell is just the icing on the cake.

Remember, there's literally no downside to signing trash picked up at the side of the road. You may find treasure but if not it hasn't cost you anything!

 

[PlayMakers]

Supposedly the deal for Miller that fell through on Saturday was Lindgren, Chytil and a 1st. Friedman thinks there's another team out there that's muddying the water.

Maybe Miller doesn't want to come here, but it's hard to think the Bruins couldn't beat that offer. Lindgren has really fallen off and Rangers can't wait to get rid of him. I've always liked Chytil but he's currently their 4th line C and missed 72 games last year (and all playoffs) with lingering concussion issues, and a 1st.

 

[Dr Hook]

Unless you don’t believe what they were doing was building a “playoff team”. They keep learning the wrong lessons from losing to Florida.

I think they were trying, though. They built the team Cam has been calling for a few seasons now: need to be bigger, tougher, heavier. It seems like he said that each time, anyway. They got what he wanted and it isn't working.

Supposedly the deal for Miller that fell through on Saturday was Lindgren, Chytil and a 1st. Friedman thinks there's another team out there that's muddying the water.

Maybe Miller doesn't want to come here, but it's hard to think the Bruins couldn't beat that offer. Lindgren has really fallen off and Rangers can't wait to get rid of him. I've always liked Chytil but he's currently their 4th line C and missed 72 games last year (and all playoffs) with lingering concussion issues, and a 1st.

So for the Bruins that looks like what? Carlo, Poitras, and a 1st? Roughly? No thanks. I have David Backes PTSD here.

 

[PlayMakers]

I think they were trying, though. They built the team Cam has been calling for a few seasons now: need to be bigger, tougher, heavier. It seems like he said that each time, anyway. They got what he wanted and it isn't working.



So for the Bruins that looks like what? Carlo, Poitras, and a 1st? Roughly? No thanks. I have David Backes PTSD here.

More like Carlo, Geekie and a 1st.

 

[Ozzy Osbourne]

You and the rest of the board will crash and burn if I tell you

Mcavoy? I wanted him after Chara, but I’d rather stick with Captain Chaos than have Mcavoy anywhere near a leadership role.

 

[Dr Hook]

More like Carlo, Geekie and a 1st.

Okay, fair. I still don't want it, but that isn't as steep a price. Then again, something caused that trade to fall apart so one side or the other felt that swap wasn't equitable. My guess is the Canucks, but we don't really know at this point.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Supposedly the deal for Miller that fell through on Saturday was Lindgren, Chytil and a 1st. Friedman thinks there's another team out there that's muddying the water.

Maybe Miller doesn't want to come here, but it's hard to think the Bruins couldn't beat that offer. Lindgren has really fallen off and Rangers can't wait to get rid of him. I've always liked Chytil but he's currently their 4th line C and missed 72 games last year (and all playoffs) with lingering concussion issues, and a 1st.

Considering that is the framework, what is the Bruins comparable that beats it?

I’d say Carlo beats Lindgren as an asset. Similar struggles this season, but Carlo is a right shot and signed for two years after this.

But after that, I’m not sure. Chytil at $4.5M/yr almost seems negative value at this point. But the Bs still have to move some cap for it to work.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

More like Carlo, Geekie and a 1st.

I only make that deal if the Canucks are retaining $2M on Miller. Geekie should be seen as a far better trade asset than Chytil right now and he’s been one of the few good things about the team this season.

 

[Dr Hook]

I only make that deal if the Canucks are retaining $2M on Miller. Geekie should be seen as a far better trade asset than Chytil right now and he’s been one of the few good things about the team this season.

If a retool is what is needed here, then why move Geekie? He's poised (may not get there) to be a solid top 6 forward that can do 50 points and play a grinding wear you down game, and he's still young.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

If a retool is what is needed here, then why move Geekie? He's poised (may not get there) to be a solid top 6 forward that can do 50 points and play a grinding wear you down game, and he's still young.

If a retool is what’s needed here why trade for JT Miller?

 

[Over the volcano]

If a retool is what’s needed here why trade for JT Miller?

Because the the biggest tool

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

If a retool is what is needed here, then why move Geekie? He's poised (may not get there) to be a solid top 6 forward that can do 50 points and play a grinding wear you down game, and he's still young.

I don’t like the idea of moving him either.

But to answer your question: to get JT Miller.

Because
Zacha - Miller - Pastrnak
vs
Geekie - Zacha - Pastrnak

One of the reasons I mention the $2M retain, is in order to make the deal work from a cap perspective, you’re needing to make a secondary move without it. Another is because I think you’re making a significantly better offer than that Rangers deal.

 

[Dr Hook]

If a retool is what’s needed here why trade for JT Miller?

The bigger point and where I stand on the situation. I can see Sweeney taking a middle of the road approach here, though- not a quite a re-tool, not quite an all-in. A Miller deal could be done in that context.

 

[PlayMakers]

I only make that deal if the Canucks are retaining $2M on Miller. Geekie should be seen as a far better trade asset than Chytil right now and he’s been one of the few good things about the team this season.

Yeah, that's my version of a 'beat it' deal. I agree, Carlo is better than Lindgren and Geekie is better than Chytil, but similar age, similar versatility and same points per 82.

Also agree that Geekie has been a good player and a bright spot this season (and last). If the Bruins were getting Pettersson I would really want to keep Geekie because I think they need his size, forechecking and physical play to make that top line of Geekie-EP40-Pasta work. But if they get Miller, he's got all those disruptive qualities in spades, so in that scenario I think it's better to hold onto Zacha and go Zacha-JTM-Pasta.

I don't think Vancouver would retain, but maybe we could ask them to throw in Hoglander. I like that kids skill and gumption.

 

[Kegs]

I think they were trying, though. They built the team Cam has been calling for a few seasons now: need to be bigger, tougher, heavier. It seems like he said that each time, anyway. They got what he wanted and it isn't working.



So for the Bruins that looks like what? Carlo, Poitras, and a 1st? Roughly? No thanks. I have David Backes PTSD here.

More like Fredric, Carlo(who is way better than lindgren) and a 1st

 

[bbfan419]

Agree

Bruins get in bottom 8 it’s a lock they get Hagens; Betman will take care of his buddy and Chicago and SJ will understand it’s good for the league

There’s our center we need

Rather have Misa.

 

[bbfan419]

I get everyone going back and forth on the Miller situation but I think he is worth the gamble if the price is right.

I remember JFresh putting out a top 100 NHL forward list at the end of 2024. Obviously Pasta and Marchand were high up on it but believe it or not Elias snuck in at 100. I think he would be well outside of that now.

According to the list, if u take any NHL contenders top 4 forwards they are significantly better than the Bruins and it's not even close.

Florida - Barkov, Tkachuk, Verhaeghe, Bennet
Oilers - McDavid, Drai, Hyman, Nuge
Devils - Hughes, Bratt, Hischier, Meier,
Lightning - Kuch, Point, Guentzel, Hagel
Leafs - Mathews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares
Avs - Mackinnon, Rantanen, Nichuskin, Lehkonen
Jets - Connor, Ehlers, Scheifele, Vilardi
Dallas - Hintz, Robertson, Duchene, Johnston
Hurricanes - Aho, Necas, Svechnikov, Jarvis
Vegas - Eichel, Stone, Hertl, Karlsson

I could see someone making the argument against VGK but remember they had Marchesault during their cup run. That was a great team.

In any regard, that is 10 really good contending teams with a better forward group than us. The Bruins have 2 top 100 forwards while most have 4...

It's obviously a team game and the Bruins have a really good defensive unit and goaltending but they desperately need a high end forward.

J.T Miller would make a significant impact to the forward group and would put them on par with these types of teams. It's him or find the next guy to crack this list (think a Zegras type)

I think Reinhart should be in Florida's top 4.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Mcavoy? I wanted him after Chara, but I’d rather stick with Captain Chaos than have Mcavoy anywhere near a leadership role.

Why is that? He works his ass off and hold the D togather and by all reports he's a great kid. I cant see it being anyone else, Maybe Pasta but I highly doubt it.

 

[bbfan419]

Considering that is the framework, what is the Bruins comparable that beats it?

I’d say Carlo beats Lindgren as an asset. Similar struggles this season, but Carlo is a right shot and signed for two years after this.

But after that, I’m not sure. Chytil at $4.5M/yr almost seems negative value at this point. But the Bs still have to move some cap for it to work.

Coyle + Carlo+ one of Lysell or Merkulov, not moving that first, especially for an almost 32 yr old making $8M.

 

[Carl Hungus]

I think Reinhart should be in Florida's top 4.

Annoying how good Floridas forwards are

 

[bbfan419]

Annoying how good Floridas forwards are

Agree I know they are hated as much as the Leafs and Habs on here, but guys like Bennett, Barkov and Reinhart would be loved here, if they played for the Bruins.

 

[CellyHard]

I think Reinhart should be in Florida's top 4.

He actually makes 5 for the top 100 and Cirelli makes 5 for the Lightning. I tried my best, it was a lot lol