Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XII

[RoccoF14]

Theres a lot of irony in this board being the happiest about an offseason that I’ve seen since I’ve been here now screaming bloody murder.

This is such a good post….

“This team is built for the playoffs. Finally we’ll be the hammer instead of the nail….”

And now Pettersson, one of the softest players on the planet, is gonna be the missing piece.

LOL.

 

[Over the volcano]

Neither would Vancouver’s GM or any other hockey person who may occupy that position. Debrusk’s contract has surplus value while Zadorov’s has severe negative value. Vancouver wouldn’t even do it if you retained 50% of Zadorov’s contract in the deal.

Vancouver sounds like they've got it all figured out.

 

[Coach Parker]

Well we could have signed Jake Debrusk instead of Zadorov but about 85% of this board wanted Debrusk gone.

Theres a lot of irony in this board being the happiest about an offseason that I’ve seen since I’ve been here now screaming bloody murder.

I still like both signings.

I'll judge both of them after the playoffs as that is when both went to another level when it mattered most last year.

I also believe their cap % is going to be aligned as early as next year of the cap indeed breaks 100 million.

 

[TCB]

Thought Kakko would have been a good pick up at the time and for the price. . . he's currently running about a PPG in Seattle.

Too much upside for Sweeney

 

[Kegs]

Happy B-Day, now hurry up and get healthy!!!

Bruins are missing this guy so much. Grossly underrated around here. If he was playing all season they would have a lot more points in the standings.

Him and McAvoy out. Sigh.

Too much upside for Sweeney

They weren’t trading him to Boston. They literally shipped him to the other side of the country. The gm wasn’t sending him to any team in the east im sure.

 

[Dr Hook]

I still like both signings.

I'll judge both of them after the playoffs as that is when both went to another level when it mattered most last year.

I also believe their cap % is going to be aligned as early as next year of the cap indeed breaks 100 million.

I still like them both, too. I've been disappointed in Lindholm thus far, though. I just hope we get to see if they elevate for the playoffs- right now I am feeling about 50/50 on whether they get in.

 

[TCB]

We all want pettersson. But this isn’t EA sports. If Vancouver moves him they are morons.

I dont see it. I believe he asked not to be moved, doesn't mean he wont be, but yea your right, unless they get a Lindros like package back.

 

[NDiesel]

Well we could have signed Jake Debrusk instead of Zadorov but about 85% of this board wanted Debrusk gone.

Theres a lot of irony in this board being the happiest about an offseason that I’ve seen since I’ve been here now screaming bloody murder.

Well said, a large group (many of whom want Sweeney gone still) were ecstatic about this offseason.

I was happy with the offseason for the most part but voiced my concern that they might be going too far in the direction of size and needed to add some speed/skill to replace Debrusk.

Still believe that is what they're missing which makes Lysell not getting much of a shot even more frustrating.

 

[CellyHard]

I feel like its also worth asking...is Zibanejad becoming undervalued? I'm not sure if Miller is going to bring back significant assets but he's going to bring a return. We're all speculating a Coyle/Zacha and Carlo package with likely some futures but Zibanejad might just be a straight cap dump.

Since Miller was in Vancouver = 1.09 ppg
Zibanejad in the same time = .99 ppg

Zibanejad makes just 500k more for same amount of time as Miller (5.5 years). They're the same age and the contracts will end when they're 37.

Trust me I'm taking Miller 10 times out of 10 but lets say it would cost Zacha, Carlo, + for Miller or just dumping Coyle and Korpisalo for Zibanejad? Or Lindholm straight up...

It's a gross contract no doubt about it but I think an argument could be made that they would be better off going that route because they aren't trading away any big pieces or any futures, which we aren't really in a position to do.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I still like them both, too. I've been disappointed in Lindholm thus far, though. I just hope we get to see if they elevate for the playoffs- right now I am feeling about 50/50 on whether they get in.

You mean the Bruins aren't simply entitled to the playoffs?

 

[Dr Hook]

You mean the Bruins aren't simply entitled to the playoffs?

Ha! I wish they were, I've gotten used to it by now. We'll see. A 5-6 game run either direction could make or break the season at this point. I am not feeling a 6 game win streak out of this bunch, but you never know.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I feel like its also worth asking...is Zibanejad becoming undervalued? I'm not sure if Miller is going to bring back significant assets but he's going to bring a return. We're all speculating a Coyle/Zacha and Carlo package with likely some futures but Zibanejad might just be a straight cap dump.

Since Miller was in Vancouver = 1.09 ppg
Zibanejad in the same time = .99 ppg

Zibanejad makes just 500k more for same amount of time as Miller (5.5 years). They're the same age and the contracts will end when they're 37.

Trust me I'm taking Miller 10 times out of 10 but lets say it would cost Zacha, Carlo, + for Miller or just dumping Coyle and Korpisalo for Zibanejad? Or Lindholm straight up...

It's a gross contract no doubt about it but I think an argument could be made that they would be better off going that route because they aren't trading away any big pieces or any futures, which we aren't really in a position to do.

That would have to be a pretty big +

 

[Number8]

So we can thank the incompetent voters of Massachusetts, that we will have a shitty hockey team, and no way to fix it.

Think that issue is overblown. Using a rough online calculator on $10M salary, the amount players keep is all over the place.

FLA - 61%
NEV - 61%
TEN - 61%
TEX: 61%

MA: 56%
NY: 51%
CA: 48%
COL: 56%
NJ: 51%
PEN: 58%
MO: 56%
NC: 57%
UT: 56%
MICH: 57%
ILL: 56%

Obviously there are all kinds of tax strategies not included in this rough estimation -- but the point is that outside of a few notable outliers, there isn't a tremendous amount of variation.

Obviously FLA,NEV,TEN, TEX are financially attractive and California and Canadian players are negatively impacted the most. Boston players, meanwhile, are in good company.

At the end of the day, only so many players can sign in those more favorable states and players have wives and family. When you are rich beyond belief, if your family is in Massachusetts and you and your wife have two very young children are you going to go to Florida where you know nobody for an extra $500K on a $10M annual salary? Maybe, maybe not.

Anyone smart enough to be thinking about tax implications is smart enough to get an adept money manager they trust. And while there are differences, if a money manager tells you a 6x$10M contract isn't enough to have you set up very well for the rest of your life isn't very good at their job.

 

[HustleB]

Thought Kakko would have been a good pick up at the time and for the price. . . he's currently running about a PPG in Seattle.


Get your priorities in order - 800 million worth of funding to education in the state is worth a bullshit excuse for the Bruins woes at the moment.

Sure, but NYR would prefer to send him West I am sure. So we didn't need to match the offer Seattle made we would have needed to beat it by a significant amount.

Couldn't agree more on the education portion of your post. Sure it would be nice if sports leagues could balance the playing field, but it is not for the voters of Massachusetts to put professional sports ahead of the children and families of our state. Maybe, some think the Jacobs family should move the team to NH so that we can gain that competitive advantage. SMH.

 

[TCB]

I still like them both, too. I've been disappointed in Lindholm thus far, though. I just hope we get to see if they elevate for the playoffs- right now I am feeling about 50/50 on whether they get in.

Do you think Lindholm can have a repeat of last years playoff performance. He was with a Canuck team that had Boeser and two centers in Petterson and Miller who were often against the other teams shutdown defenders, he also played with Garland who would easily be in the Bruins top six, and one of the top 3 offensive defenseman in the world in Quinn Hughes. For me it just makes a huge difference when your that deep down the middle, something the Bruins don't have that luxury of having.

Hopefully the Bruins get in he lives upto that contract, but I have my doubts on both.

 

[The Andrew Peeke Fan]

They built the club for the playoffs and now it looks like they won't even make it.

I wouldn't deal Zadorov for DeBrusk today.

You are insane.

Additionally, Drury wouldn't have moved Kakko that close to home.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Well said, a large group (many of whom want Sweeney gone still) were ecstatic about this offseason.

I was happy with the offseason for the most part but voiced my concern that they might be going too far in the direction of size and needed to add some speed/skill to replace Debrusk.

Still believe that is what they're missing which makes Lysell not getting much of a shot even more frustrating.

I didn’t care for either signing at the time and was pretty vocal ahead of it that I didn’t want either player.

Playing Tyler Johnson, Oliver Wahlstrom, and Vinny Lettieri over Lysell is just the icing on the cake.

 

[RoccoF14]

I didn’t care for either signing at the time and was pretty vocal ahead of it that I didn’t want either player.

Playing Tyler Johnson, Oliver Wahlstrom, and Vinny Lettieri over Lysell is just the icing on the cake.

I think Lysell will be getting plenty of ice time in about 3-4wks.

 

[Dr Hook]

Do you think Lindholm can have a repeat of last years playoff performance. He was with a Canuck team that had Boeser and two centers in Petterson and Miller who were often against the other teams shutdown defenders, he also played with Garland who would easily be in the Bruins top six, and one of the top 3 offensive defenseman in the world in Quinn Hughes. For me it just makes a huge difference when your that deep down the middle, something the Bruins don't have that luxury of having.

Hopefully the Bruins get in he lives upto that contract, but I have my doubts on both.

I couldn't even begin to guess, really. If we base it just on how he's looked so far, I'd say no, but some players just transform (for better or worse) at that time of year. Also, while great playoff performers are good to have, you have to get there first, so they need to be pretty good regular season guys too. If the Bruins miss out this year, it will be in part Elias' fault.

FWIW, I don't know that he will ever live up to the contract over the life of it, but having a great playoffs, should he get the chance, will go some way to mitigating that.

 

[Number8]

I didn’t care for either signing at the time and was pretty vocal ahead of it that I didn’t want either player.

Playing Tyler Johnson, Oliver Wahlstrom, and Vinny Lettieri over Lysell is just the icing on the cake.

Did you see OW's mini one on one lacrosse goal though? Sweet mitts.

 

[Over the volcano]

Sure, but NYR would prefer to send him West I am sure. So we didn't need to match the offer Seattle made we would have needed to beat it by a significant amount.

Couldn't agree more on the education portion of your post. Sure it would be nice if sports leagues could balance the playing field, but it is not for the voters of Massachusetts to put professional sports ahead of the children and families of our state. Maybe, some think the Jacobs family should move the team to NH so that we can gain that competitive advantage. SMH.

I'm sure he thinks students in Boston already cost him enough just trying to hold him to his commitments.

These teens found out something about TD Garden no one realized for 24 years

What happens when a group of teenagers discovers something in a fund-raising drive that it seems no city or state officials have paid attention to for 24 years?

www.boston.com

Even then he left the city and state paying most of the low ball settlement.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I assume if I wrote a counter argument against the millionaires tax that would constitute politics no? Then what are we doing here?

 

[Kegs]

I didn’t care for either signing at the time and was pretty vocal ahead of it that I didn’t want either player.

Playing Tyler Johnson, Oliver Wahlstrom, and Vinny Lettieri over Lysell is just the icing on the cake.

I mostly agree. And I did say I’d rather see lysell over lettieri. But hasn’t lettieri been pretty good?

 

[Over the volcano]

Additionally, Drury wouldn't have moved Kakko that close to home.

Funny because the general argument in here at the time was "Kakko sucks"

I was suggesting Frederic straight up for him.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Then who would be a better choice?

You and the rest of the board will crash and burn if I tell you