Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XII

[4ORRBRUIN]

I agree that this fills all the Canucks needs and is the price the Bruins would pay for EP40.

Carlo is pinned to Hughes for the next 7 years, Zacha/Coyle take his spot on the 2nd line, Frederic slots into the top six or a dominant third line and then they draft in the Bruins and their own positions which would also be around their pick.

Suddenly, they could have two picks in the first round in a row, a deep top nine and their top four locked down for years to come.

Bruins will not send out their first in that deal. A second would be what I would offer in that package

 

[Dr Hook]

Not me. I wouldn't even put the odds at better than 50%.

Kind of surprised at this, though not sure you're wrong, but at the end of the day, Sweeney is in his 11th season, with 2 DNQs already, and excepting 2019 not getting past the first or second round in the playoffs. He's on his third head coach, and he's assembled rosters that have for the most part underperformed in the playoffs when the regular seasons suggested they should have been better. Yes the players are responsible, but Sweeney assembles the roster every season, and this long in, he owns the entire thing. He should be on the firing line if the team fails to qualify this season.

IMO it is and if the new CBA allows a buyout not counting to the cap, I am buying him out immediately. Coyle and Zacha gave way more value last year than Lindholm this year and unless this guy is dinged up I buy him out immediately.

Fair enough- we have differing views on what consitutes a bank-breaking contract, but we are in agreement that Lindholm is not living up to his deal. I hope he turns it around.

 

[Coach Parker]

Bruins will not send out their first in that deal. A second would be what I would offer in that package

That may be the only way the trade goes down? You want a young, signed top line C? A pick in the 15-25 range is likely a must to give the true value to Vancouver.

 

[22Brad Park]

Bruins will not send out their first in that deal. A second would be what I would offer in that package

Bruins don't have a 2nd in 25 though. Bruins are in a real bad position across the board here .

 

[The Storm]

Why would Carle leave one of the top NCAA programs in the country mid season to come and be a PP coach?

This is a great question.

Carle just coached team USA in the World Junior Championships to back to back gold medals. He is very well regarded. Head coach or bust.

Did I mention the NCAA titles? This guy will not be a PP coach. He's a leader and a winner. He's developed a solid system.

That may be the only way the trade goes down? You want a young, signed top line C? A pick in the 15-25 range is likely a must to give the true value to Vancouver.

They might want Lohrei instead. Frederic is a given. Petterson is the only guy I would give up a #1 pick for. He was taken #5 overall. He's young. He'll be better than anyone you can draft 15-25. The Bruins desperately need a legit Center. The main problem is his salary. You have to move roster players to make it fit. Vancouver would have to take on salary.

 

[Coach Parker]

Bruins don't have a 2nd in 25 though. Bruins are in a real bad position across the board here .

This.

No depth, some good players on the roster. Their assets are guys on low-paying contracts in the middle 6 / second pairings. Carlo, Frederic, Brazeau, Lohrei.

Then they have the big three contracts Pastrnak, McAvoy and Swayman which are foundational pieces. Add in Marchand not going anywhere and you can see how the guys mentioned above (paired with a depleted prospect pool and no picks of value outside of their 1st) and you can see how the only move that makes sense for Vancouver is to take the top assets on bargain contracts, their 1st and also a centre to replace EP40.

Sacrifice his production downside by upgrading on D, your depth in the middle six and then pick wherever the Bruins pick ends up as well as your own.

Otherwise, there isn't much outside of the foundation players worth trading for. Lysell and Merkulov would clear waivers as they are now at the stage that many teams have prospects; good enough for AHL but have yet to prove their value in the NHL.

I'd love to give them more time to develop but likely if they are able to pull off the trade with Vancouver, they will need one of them to replace Frederic and then someone needs to step up and take Carlo's huge minutes and role.

Then you hope Pettersson finds chemistry with Pastrnak and the P(ettersson)P(asternak) actually starts producing.

 

[BruinDust]

Carlo is pinned to Hughes for the next 7 years,

Does Vancouver need Carlo?

Hronek is a much better fit with Hughes. Having a D-man on Hughes right side with basically zero offensive ability (Carlo) seems like a waste of hockey's best offensive left-shot defender. Hronek put up almost 50 pts. last year paired with Hughes. If I'm Vancouver I want all 4 players sharing the ice with Hughes to have offensive capability whenever possible. The days of pairing up elite puck-moving D-men with some stone-hands defense-first D-man are over if you want to get the most out of them.

Myers is a bit older than Carlo but he's a UFA the exact same time. Sort of a lateral move if anything. I don't think you trade Petterson or Miller to beef up your 3rd pair RD and run all 3 of Hronek/Myers/Carlo.

 

[PlayMakers]

I agree that this fills all the Canucks needs and is the price the Bruins would pay for EP40.

Carlo is pinned to Hughes for the next 7 years, Zacha/Coyle take his spot on the 2nd line, Frederic slots into the top six or a dominant third line and then they draft in the Bruins and their own positions which would also be around their pick.

Suddenly, they could have two picks in the first round in a row, a deep top nine and their top four locked down for years to come.

I'm trying to think about teams that would be interested and able to beat that offer...

ANA - already have too many C's
BUF - Not giving up Thompson. They could do Byram and Cozens but Cozens is a risk at $7m with his production trending down the last couple years.
CGY - Andersson would be a good fit, but VAN isn't going to want Kadri, another temperamental, 30+ center.
CAR - No need
CHI - No 2c to give up
COL - Can't learn $11m without gutting their team.
CLB - Monahan has a full NMC. Would they give up 22 year old Kent Johnson AND a D?
DAL - No need
DET - No 2c to offer, but if they were really willing to part with Edvinsson that would be a heckuva headliner.
EDM - No need
FLA - No need
LA - I don't think they'd part with Kopitar or Byfield.
MIN - They could offer Rossi, and they have the depth on D to offer a top4. They might have trouble making the cap work, but they could be a good fit.
MTL - Matheson would be a good fit but again, no 2c to offer.
NAS - O'Reilly or Stamos are their C's. VAN doesn't want a rental and NAS said they're not trading Stamkos (and he has a NMC).
NJ - No need
NYR - They want Miller. They offered Zibanejad and were rejected. They could offer Trocheck and one of their good young D. They'd have to make the cap work but that seems like a potential good fit. Although Trocheck has a NMC.
NYI - If they were willing to give up Barzal and Dobson the deal would probably be done already.
OTT - No need
PHI - No top6 centers
PIT - Not moving Sid or Gino
SJ - No 2c
STL - Schenn and Faulk maybe? But those guys are old
TB - No need
TOR - No need
UTAH - Are they going to give up Logan Cooley before they know what he can do?
WAS - No need
WPG - Namestnikov and? Do they have a top4 D they can spare before the playoffs start?

That's obviously a quick look, but at first glance I'm not seeing a ton of headliners or wow offers. Even the deals that beat us have hurdles (like NMC's). Again, if Vancouver wanted futures there are teams out there that could make amazing offers, but if they're looking for roster players it seems like a tougher sell. I heard Raycroft say in an interview yesterday that he didn't think anyone had fair value for Pettersson in a hockey trade, and I can see what he meant.

Maybe all that means JT Miller is the more likely guy to go, because he'd be less expensive, but the flip side of that is that JT has a NMC and is an ornery SOB, so if they can't make a deal with the Rangers work, then what?

 

[DKH]

If Sweeney doesn’t make the playoffs I’m sure he will be fired.

i would bet he doesn’t but im ok if they move on so I dont have to hear about the whining from Bruins fans anymore

The next guy I’m sure will be fantastic

Let the rebuild begin

I’m going in about 40 minutes in what I consider a must win

 

[PlayMakers]

Kind of surprised at this, though not sure you're wrong, but at the end of the day, Sweeney is in his 11th season, with 2 DNQs already, and excepting 2019 not getting past the first or second round in the playoffs. He's on his third head coach, and he's assembled rosters that have for the most part underperformed in the playoffs when the regular seasons suggested they should have been better. Yes the players are responsible, but Sweeney assembles the roster every season, and this long in, he owns the entire thing. He should be on the firing line if the team fails to qualify this season.

I think Sweeney is in his 10th season, and he only has 1 DNQ so far, it was his first year on the job, 2015-16. He inherited a team that missed the playoffs.

I think ownership will say the guy has given us 8 good seasons, we're not going to fire him after 1 bad year. I mean, he has the most points in the league during his tenure (and 5th most playoff wins). He's won GM of the Year. He built a team that got to G7 of the Cup Finals. He's respected around the league...

He is definitely responsible for this year, but with so many guys underperforming all at once, I think they cut him some slack based on his resume up to this point.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Bruins don't have a 2nd in 25 though. Bruins are in a real bad position across the board here .

Doesn't have to be this years. Too many pieces of the roster for a kid that just may not be good as his pay shows.

I would rather miller and giving up less to get him.

i would bet he doesn’t but im ok if they move on so I dont have to hear about the whining from Bruins fans anymore

The next guy I’m sure will be fantastic

Let the rebuild begin

I’m going in about 40 minutes in what I consider a must win

I think we will all be surprised by the score tonight

 

[DKH]

Doesn't have to be this years. Too many pieces of the roster for a kid that just may not be good as his pay shows.

I would rather miller and giving up less to get him.


I think we will all be surprised by the score tonight

6-2 Tampa

 

[Over the volcano]

Doesn't have to be this years. Too many pieces of the roster for a kid that just may not be good as his pay shows.

I would rather miller and giving up less to get him.


I think we will all be surprised by the score tonight

Surprised by the score or if we score?

 

[Blowfish]

Clearly, whatever else he is, Joe Sacco is not going to be the HC of the BB going forward.
Clearly, at least to some, a fish rots from the head.

SweeNeely must die.

Ha this song came on as I was reading this thread. Dodo must Die.

 

[22Brad Park]

I think Sweeney is in his 10th season, and he only has 1 DNQ so far, it was his first year on the job, 2015-16. He inherited a team that missed the playoffs.

I think ownership will say the guy has given us 8 good seasons, we're not going to fire him after 1 bad year. I mean, he has the most points in the league during his tenure (and 5th most playoff wins). He's won GM of the Year. He built a team that got to G7 of the Cup Finals. He's respected around the league...

He is definitely responsible for this year, but with so many guys underperforming all at once, I think they cut him some slack based on his resume up to this point.

He is responsible for some really bad drafting.He inherited Bergeron ,Chara, Krecji , Marchand

Doesn't have to be this years. Too many pieces of the roster for a kid that just may not be good as his pay shows.

I would rather miller and giving up less to get him.


I think we will all be surprised by the score tonight

Miller is 31.Bruins be wise to just sell and start rebuilding with new GM.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

6-2 Tampa

4-2 us

 

[Hookslide]

Someone who writes long screeds about firing the management twice a fortnight and then suggests two eminently unqualified people to take over the ship is out there man.

I am not one too agree with you often, but that drives me crazy, they were good players does not mean they can jump into that job.

Might take a couple DNQs


He would cost the franchise more than money.

How so, legit ask.

 

[Over the volcano]

I am not one too agree with you often, but that drives me crazy, they were good players does not mean they can jump into that job.


How so, legit ask.

Think he's burned every bridge he's been on

 

[DKH]

I think Sweeney is in his 10th season, and he only has 1 DNQ so far, it was his first year on the job, 2015-16. He inherited a team that missed the playoffs.

I think ownership will say the guy has given us 8 good seasons, we're not going to fire him after 1 bad year. I mean, he has the most points in the league during his tenure (and 5th most playoff wins). He's won GM of the Year. He built a team that got to G7 of the Cup Finals. He's respected around the league...

He is definitely responsible for this year, but with so many guys underperforming all at once, I think they cut him some slack based on his resume up to this point.

I would certainly or expect him fired if they miss the playoffs this season

 

[DKH]

If you’re Jacobs and you’re actually considering firing Neely and Sweeney after the season, you can’t let them make meaningful trades this year right?

There is 0.0 they are getting fired

Overly Emotional, impatient people would fire them and Jacobs isn’t one

They would need multiple years and likely crooked numbers for years (3 minimum)

Real world business people who look at a problem from all sides and ramifications aren’t moving on from these two without some major personal off ice issue

 

[bp14]

But isn't Vancouver trying to come out of this with an improved team overall?

If Vancouver was a ‘seller’ and wanted prospects, we’d lose that battle easily, but from what I’ve read and heard they want to come out of this without losing their status as a playoff contender. They’re willing to downgrade at 2C (because of the Miller/Pettersson dynamic) in order to upgrade areas of need. They still want to get back a 2C who can play right now, and they want to upgrade their top4, which has been a weakness all season. The rest of the package is value filler.

From that standpoint, it is kind of like the Stuart, Sturm and Primeau deal. And the guys you mentioned from Detroit, with the exception of Edvinsson, aren’t guys playoff teams would trade for.

Carlo and Zacha fill those needs. There would need to be more from a value perspective and I do see what you mean about us lacking a headliner. But who are the roster player headliners from other teams?

Carlo
Zacha
Frederic
1st

Fills all their needs, the cap is close. Who beats it with roster players?

That 1st should be top 15 if not top 10. We currently have next to nothing for prospects.

Virtually no chance I’d allow that pick to be traded if I was owner. Get a new GM and make sure he makes that pick.

 

[Oates2Neely]

There is 0.0 they are getting fired

Overly Emotional, impatient people would fire them and Jacobs isn’t one

They would need multiple years and likely crooked numbers for years (3 minimum)

Real world business people who look at a problem from all sides and ramifications aren’t moving on from these two without some major personal off ice issue

A playoff DNQ this season and they will be on the hot seat

 

[bp14]

There is 0.0 they are getting fired

Overly Emotional, impatient people would fire them and Jacobs isn’t one

They would need multiple years and likely crooked numbers for years (3 minimum)

Real world business people who look at a problem from all sides and ramifications aren’t moving on from these two without some major personal off ice issue

“Impatient”?

He’s been here for 11 years. Our team is poor to mediocre, we are a likely playoff miss, we just fired a coach and we have no prospects of value. GMs get fired for this kind of situation. It’s simply not a good spot.

There were calls for the GMs head this last offseason. He remained with an edict to get a frontline center, get tougher on defense, get bigger and harder to play against. That was the demand from fans and supposedly ownership.

The GM overpaid for a 2nd line center who has been a dud thus far and got a decent 2nd pairing dman who’s not as tough as expected. The other guy he signed he already cut.

Since then they fired the coach, haven’t improved much, and show no signs of getting better. On top of that they apparently cant look to any prospects to help.

This is a perfectly reasonable time to try a new GM.

 

[Clode]

Assuming Kastelic is in concussion protocol. Wonder if this has been a lingering issue with McAvoy, its no secret that he hasn't been great this year and I didn't see anything notable happen to him on Saturday...

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Looking forward to see how Callahan does, we need some good news for the prospect dee situation.