Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XI

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As has been pointed out, he's benefitting from an abnormally high shooting % from his teammates to get those 25 assists.

And he has plenty of time to quit on this team too. If you like PLD better than Lindholm, fair enough, I can see that argument. But don't act like PLD here wouldn't of just been another massive blunder by this front office. He's the Caps massive mistake now.
Well you could be right
As has been pointed out, he's benefitting from an abnormally high shooting % from his teammates to get those 25 assists.

And he has plenty of time to quit on this team too. If you like PLD better than Lindholm, fair enough, I can see that argument. But don't act like PLD here wouldn't of just been another massive blunder by this front office. He's the Caps massive mistake now.

I think Lindholm has blown more plays and chances than the other way around. Like 2-3 times more.

We're past the halfway point of the season, time to face the music on Lindholm: it was a bad signing. He was brought in to be a number 1 center and is barely a #2. I'm not sure he's better than Coyle, he just has gotten to play with either Marchand or Pastrnak all season (or both) so his points look better, but the reality is he's been riding coat tails all year and has done little to drive his line or bring a top6 presence to the lineup.
Well, I would like to be able to arbitrate this discussion, but unfortunately, I have very limited information to justify a honest decision, as player being discussed has been MIA for most of the season.
 
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I see glimpses of solid play from Elias. Just needs more consistency and execution from him and the line. Hopefully it starts against Edmonton Tuesday.
I think what were seeing is what he is. Was good in Carolina had the one great year in Calgary with Tkachuk and Gaudreau, but pretty much since has settled into being a very good 3rdline center who can play up when needed. I know the Nucks thought more of him when they traded for him but found out he was best suited for the 3rd line and I think Sweeney is finding this out as well, problem is the Bruins need him to play higher up.
 
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I think Lindholm has blown more plays and chances than the other way around. Like 2-3 times more.

We're past the halfway point of the season, time to face the music on Lindholm: it was a bad signing. He was brought in to be a number 1 center and is barely a #2. I'm not sure he's better than Coyle, he just has gotten to play with either Marchand or Pastrnak all season (or both) so his points look better, but the reality is he's been riding coat tails all year and has done little to drive his line or bring a top6 presence to the lineup.
Coyle has been playing top line minutes as well, he stinks even worse than he did in the beginning of the year if thats even possible.

I would call lindy a third line center and Coyle a fourth line center if we are being honest.

Shit ton a money being paid to these two for sucking out the joint
 

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I think what were seeing is what he is. Was good in Carolina had the one great year in Calgary with Tkachuk and Gaudreau, but pretty much since has settled into being a very good 3rdline center who can play up when needed. I know the Nucks thought more of him when they traded for him but found out he was best suited for the 3rd line and I think Sweeney is finding this out as well, problem is the Bruins need him to play higher up.
I think hes a solid 2nd line center. He will earn that contract.
 
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Coyle has been playing top line minutes as well, he stinks even worse than he did in the beginning of the year if thats even possible.

I would call lindy a third line center and Coyle a fourth line center if we are being honest.

Shit ton a money being paid to these two for sucking out the joint
No he has not. Coyle is not out there with Marchand and Pasta in the final minutes of a game. He's not on PP1. He's the defensive conscience of the 2nd line and even that has only been for 8 games (in which he has 5 points and +5).

Saying Coyle is a 4th line center is just nonsense.
 

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Amazing a mid 20 goal scorer rakes in 6 mil per now.


Ive seen him fumble away more than his fair share. Ill be the first to admit I always liked the player and liked the signing when it happened. I figured he would turn it around in Boston, but it hasn't happen.
agree on Vatrano.
 

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What do you think it'll take to grab Necas from Carolina? He's only 6.5$ for the next 2, I like to believe he wants to play with Pasta and get the Czech line 2.0 with him and Zacha. Doubt we have the assets given how well he's playing and Carolina's needs and our cap situation. I think he's a more realistic add over Pettersson and Miller that keep getting talked about
 

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Amazing a mid 20 goal scorer rakes in 6 mil per now.
Are you referring to Vatrano here? I think he signed for $4.5m. That's a good value for a guy who's fast, consistently physical and averages 25 goals.

What do you think it'll take to grab Necas from Carolina? He's only 6.5$ for the next 2, I like to believe he wants to play with Pasta and get the Czech line 2.0 with him and Zacha. Doubt we have the assets given how well he's playing and Carolina's needs and our cap situation. I think he's a more realistic add over Pettersson and Miller that keep getting talked about
Can't see Carolina giving him up during the season when he's been one of their best players and they're a Cup contender.

Maybe in the off-season he's available. He wanted out before and his 2 year deal means he's a pending UFA a year from now. Can't imagine Carolina would allow him to walk away.
 
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I think hes a solid 2nd line center. He will earn that contract.
Problem is he was signed as a1st line center, I probably have of a problem with his contract and length of contract than I do the player. I think if he was signed at a lower cost, it might be easier to swallow and maybe we can all show a little more patience. We heard how he was going to fix the PP, my opinion he should be taken off of it. One thing, I will give him credit for and happy to see he does have little edge to his game, but other than that, I could have been pleased if he was not here.
 
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What does your core team look like next year? Who do you want to see back, and where do you want to see guys slotted?

I think it's an important excercise to do pre-deadline because it kind of sheds light on who's expendable both on the team and in the minors.

I think mine looks like...

#1LW/C - Zacha - Pasta
Marsh - Lindholm - #2RW/C
#3LW
- Poitras - Geekie or Brazeau
Koepke - Kastelic - #4RW

Zadorov - McAvoy
Lindholm - #2RD
Lohrei - Peeke

#1G - Korpisalo

That leaves Coyle, Frederic, Carlo and possibly Swayman (although extremely unlikely as it makes no sense to trade Sway when his value is so low).

I also don't really know how to fit Lysell in. Maybe he'd work on the Lindholm line, but then who plays against top lines? Poitras shouldn't have to handle that load. Pasta can't do it.
 

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What does your core team look like next year? Who do you want to see back, and where do you want to see guys slotted?

I think it's an important excercise to do pre-deadline because it kind of sheds light on who's expendable both on the team and in the minors.

I think mine looks like...

#1LW/C - Zacha - Pasta
Marsh - Lindholm - #2RW/C
#3LW
- Poitras - Geekie or Brazeau
Koepke - Kastelic - #4RW

Zadorov - McAvoy
Lindholm - #2RD
Lohrei - Peeke

#1G - Korpisalo

That leaves Coyle, Frederic, Carlo and possibly Swayman (although extremely unlikely as it makes no sense to trade Sway when his value is so low).

I also don't really know how to fit Lysell in. Maybe he'd work on the Lindholm line, but then who plays against top lines? Poitras shouldn't have to handle that load. Pasta can't do it.
I have no idea but I 100 percent agree with who you are bringing back here, who you are leaving off and where you are slotting them in (Geekie, Brazeau, Koepke, obviously Lohrei).

Geekie we had all been hard on prior to his great month of December (not to speak for everyone but come on, we all had something to say about him lol). Just have to keep reminding ourselves that the guy is being force fed into the top 6 cause of lack of depth. We would all love what hes brining if he was slotted correctly in the lineup. I say keep him.

Koepke really intrigues me. Guy is fast and oh boy does he have a shot. Find someone to compliment him and Kastelic next year though he may get looks up in the lineup.
 

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Are you referring to Vatrano here? I think he signed for $4.5m. That's a good value for a guy who's fast, consistently physical and averages 25 goals.
I had saw he signed an 3 year 18 millon dollar cap hit but according to the NHL cap structure his actual cap hit is 4.57 because Vatrano is having 9 millon of it deferred starting in 2035.

So yes,Great value for the ducks.

Cap circumvention at its finest

On Sunday, the Anaheim Ducks signed forward Frank Vatrano to a three-year, $18 million contract extension. However, rather than the deal having the typical $6 million AAV, the terms of the contract will see $9 million of Vatrano’s contract deferred. The 31-year-old will receive an annual payment of $900,000 over a 10-year span, beginning in 2035


 
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What does your core team look like next year? Who do you want to see back, and where do you want to see guys slotted?

I think it's an important excercise to do pre-deadline because it kind of sheds light on who's expendable both on the team and in the minors.

I think mine looks like...

#1LW/C - Zacha - Pasta
Marsh - Lindholm - #2RW/C
#3LW
- Poitras - Geekie or Brazeau
Koepke - Kastelic - #4RW

Zadorov - McAvoy
Lindholm - #2RD
Lohrei - Peeke

#1G - Korpisalo

That leaves Coyle, Frederic, Carlo and possibly Swayman (although extremely unlikely as it makes no sense to trade Sway when his value is so low).

I also don't really know how to fit Lysell in. Maybe he'd work on the Lindholm line, but then who plays against top lines? Poitras shouldn't have to handle that load. Pasta can't do it.
Marchand - #1/C - Pasta
Zacha/2Lw -2/C poitras/Zacha - #2 RW
Geekie - Lindholm - Coyle
Koepke _ Kastelic _ 4th RW

Zadaro McAvoy
Lindholm - Carlo
Lohrei _ Peeke

Swayman #2 Goalie

Marchand can play either 1 or 2 LW, thats if the bruins can acquire another top 6 LW.
Need a number one Center badly and a top 6 winger, no way they get 2 top 6 wingers and a number one center though.

Can live with the D. This team needs offense. forwards with skill 2 top six 1 needs to be a Center. Hell their actually probably better off doing a re-tool instead of trying to fix this ship over night. Way to many holes.
 
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I had saw he signed an 3 year 18 millon dollar cap hit but according to the NHL cap structure his actual cap hit is 4.57 because Vatrano is having 9 millon of it deferred starting in 2035.

So yes,Great value for the ducks.

Cap circumvention at its finest

On Sunday, the Anaheim Ducks signed forward Frank Vatrano to a three-year, $18 million contract extension. However, rather than the deal having the typical $6 million AAV, the terms of the contract will see $9 million of Vatrano’s contract deferred. The 31-year-old will receive an annual payment of $900,000 over a 10-year span, beginning in 2035


I didn't know about the deferred payments. I'm going to have to read up on how that works.
 
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If someone knows a way out of this, something that will spark the Bruins out of their midseason malaise, well, enter and sign in, please.

The bedraggled Black and Gold, in their longest winless streak of the season (0-3-1), and with the Cup-contending-woke-again Oilers here on Tuesday night, appear to be poised to ride out 2024-25 with status quo the way to go.

If there is a trade to be made, the front office is shopping at Trader No’s.

If there is a warm, viable, potentially productive body to call up from Providence (good morning, Matt Poitras), Cam Neely and Don Sweeney have their cellphones switched to OFF.

If there is some secret sauce for interim coach Joe Sacco to ladle over what is believed to be the weakest power play since the pre-Bobby Orr days, it remains on a back burner at the Garden’s Iron Horse test kitchen. (Note: the NHL only has power-play stats dating to 1977-78)

Watching Chapter 42 of the regular season play out Sunday night, a 5-4 overtime loss to the Islanders at the Garden, brought back memories of the late-November 2005 Bruins. Specifically, Nov. 29, in New Jersey, where a 3-2 loss to the Devils dropped that one-win-a-week iteration of the Bruins to 8-13-5.

Not even 24 hours later, after having been hosed on a faceoff vs. John Madden that led to Alex Mogilny’s game-winner with 32 seconds to go, Bruins captain Joe Thornton was summarily shipped to the Sharks. What had been a slow drip of a season suddenly cascaded with Niagara Falls force.

It remains, arguably, the NHL’s biggest trade of the 21st century, particularly from the Sharks’ perspective. They landed a franchise center, one who is now poised to be a first-ballot Hall of Famer. Oh, how the January 2025 Bruins could use a bona fide No. 1 pivot right about now. Spoiler: Elias Lindholm isn’t that guy.

In the wake of the ill-fated Jumbo Joe trade, the Bruins plummeted, with Mike O’Connell dismissed as general manager the following spring, and legendary team boss Harry Sinden shoved deeper into the front office broom closet. By late spring, Peter Chiarelli was installed as the clerk of the works and the franchise was on to a new era.

Change, forever slow to happen on Causeway Street … until it isn’t.

The current Bruins aren’t as bad as the ones on which Thornton made his last stand. The record (20-17-5) alone tells us that. With a .536 points percentage, No. 7 in the East, they remain in the playoff picture, though expecting anything other than a Round 1 knockout would be a flight of fancy incapable of getting off the ground.

It’s also possible the Bruins miss the playoffs outright, though for that to happen, two of the following sorry lot would have to eclipse them in the also-ran category: Ottawa, Pittsburgh, Columbus, and Montreal. Possible, but not practical.

It’s that low risk of a DNQ, something that hasn’t happened here since 2016, that plays into the status quo posture. Neely and Sweeney acted when the record stood 8-9-3 (.475), cashing out Jim Montgomery as coach Nov. 19 with a playoff berth about to slip out of the picture. Under Sacco, they’ve gone 12-8–2 and now the hope (and prayer?) is that a finish somewhere around 88-92 points will be sufficient to clinch a playoff berth.

Meanwhile, the waiting continues.

Because of contract restrictions written into most of the pricey deals on the roster, there really isn’t a shock trade to make on the magnitude of the Thornton deal. The need may be there, to shake the lethargy, but the biggest names are protected.

For instance, David Pastrnak and Charlie McAvoy, still have years of “no move” protection. Ditto for newcomer Elias Lindholm and the injured Hampus Lindholm. Brad Marchand can be dealt, but Sweeney and Neely aren’t about to swap out their captain, who, by the way, remains on course to be an unrestricted free agent July 1.

Forwards Charlie Coyle and Pavel Zacha, along with veteran defenseman Brandon Carlo, can be dealt, though all three have varying ability to govern what teams they would accept in trade.

Franchise goaltender Jeremy Swayman, signed on the eve of the season for eight years/$66 million, is the one gemstone who can be dealt. Because of his age (25 when he signed the deal), his “no move” clause won’t trigger until the start of 2026-27, which would have been the season he bridged into unrestricted free agency.

Realistically, dealing Swayman is absolutely, positively, 99 percent out of the question, which is another way of saying anything can happen (see: Wayne Gretzky, age 27, Edmonton to Los Angeles, Aug. 9, 1988).

Just keep in mind, Thornton was fresh from signing a three-year/$20 million package with the Bruins when he pulled on that teal Sharks sweater. Neither the front office nor Bruins ownership was happy about the price.

A No. 1 pick (1997), Jumbo Joe’s profile in the Hub of Hockey at the time was larger than that of Swayman today. We can argue whether a No. 1 center or a No. 1 goaltender plays a bigger role in a franchise’s fate, but all the ballyhoo around the Thornton draft and his eight years/532 games in residence, along with the captain’s “C” on his sweater, gave him a unique standing on the roster. Until, it didn’t.

For now, no one is going anywhere, be it framed by personnel or wins, losses, and league standings.

The beat goes on. No trades, no call-ups, and no discernible form of life to be found on planet power play.
 

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Marchand - #1/C - Pasta
#2LW - Poitras - #2 RW
Geekie - Lindholm - Coyle
Koepke _ Kastelic _

Zadaro McAvoy
Lindholm - Carlo
Lohrei _ Peeke

Swayman #2 Goalie
That's an interesting setup. I think you'd need a Bergeron / O'Reilly / Larkin type #1c to play with Marchand and Pasta, but I like the idea of building a 2nd line around Poitras. I don't know if he's ready for that, but that's where he'll end up eventually.

I also think you have E.Lindholm appropriately slotted, unfortunately that makes for the most expensive 3rd line in hockey. Folks here complain about Coyle at $5m and that's pretty much the going rate for a "good" free agent 3c (Pageau, Kotkaniemi, Lundell all make $5m). Spend almost $8m on that spot and folks heads will explode. If the Bruins had some ELC's in the top6 maybe they could swing it but I'm not sure they can fill out a top6 with that much money on the 3rd line.

I see you kept Carlo too. I get that. He's struggled mightily this season, but he's been a solid #2RD his whole career. I had him on my trade bait list because I think he could fetch some value back in the form of a top6 player. I know moving him creates a hole now, but my thinking was maybe that's a spot you fill with a cheap UFA vet in the off-season.

I appreciate the different outlook. Have you thought about how. you'd fill three top6 spots? Marchand and Geekie probably eat up $9m of the $21m we have projected. The cap could go to $95m so I guess you'd have between $11m and $16m to get 3 top6 forwards and a 4th line RW.
 
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