24 25 English Cup Thread

[The Marquis]

Winning is fun.

 

[Savant]

Slot's treatment of Chiesa this year has been seriously baffling.

Just never wanted to give him minutes to play him into form.

I think Slot despite a successful season will have hopefully learned many lessons here

 

[Savant]

Really goes to show how weak the league has been this year

I don’t see how Newcastle winning a cup is evidence the league is weak. Arsenal and City are worse. Pretty much everyone else is better

 

[57special]

Probably Dan Burns best game ive seen him play at NUFC.

Stoked we won a trophy for the first time since like 54 or some shit?

55, but who's counting?

Newcastle was uneven last year, and for parts of this year. Injuries and suspensions had a lot to do with it last year, but things have been looking up this year. Isak being one of the best strikers in the world has been a major factor, but so has Howe figuring out that Tonali is best suited to be the #6, and Bruno the #8. If they can snag a class RW this summer to go with Gordon on the left, and maybe get a versatile player who can prop up the back end- Trippier, Burn, and Schar have been mainstays, but are well into their 30's- then I can see them being a top 4 team next year. Hell, if Forest can do it, NUFC can.

Liverpool and Arsenal should be strong, maybe Chelsea, but surely Man City will finally get sanctioned for cheating on PSR all these years?

 

[Jersey Fresh]

When’s the parade in Riyadh?

 

[Ceremony]

When’s the parade in Riyadh?

They'll be dancing in the streets of Public Investment Fund.

 

[Chimaera]

Honestly, happy for the long suffering Newcastle fans I know. That said, it can’t be at least a little tainted with being owned by Prince Bonesaw. But it is what it is.

 

[hatterson]

I don’t see how Newcastle winning a cup is evidence the league is weak. Arsenal and City are worse. Pretty much everyone else is better

The “big 6” have been historically bad on net.

United and Spurs are almost guaranteed bottom half finishes, City is struggling to make top 4.

Liverpool has had a fairly normal first place season until a few years ago. They’re on pace for 91-92 points and that’s a fairly good league winning campaign outside of the insanity of what’s happened the last few years.

Arsenal are pacing a fairly weak 2nd place finish historically, and Chelsea’s current 4th place pace is fairly weak historically.

I think it’s been a weird combination where the bottom 3 are very weak, the typical top of the table is weaker than normal, but most of the middle of the table is a bit stronger than normal.

 

[maclean]

Savant's own definition of league strength is purely how many points are Necessary to win the league

 

[Savant]

Savant's own definition of league strength is purely how many points are Necessary to win the league

I certainly think that’s part of it.

But as I said a couple of weeks ago, (don’t have updated numbers), I think there being 13 teams with a positive xG difference (as opposed for example to 9 last season) is pretty telling too.

The “big 6” have been historically bad on net.

United and Spurs are almost guaranteed bottom half finishes, City is struggling to make top 4.

Liverpool has had a fairly normal first place season until a few years ago. They’re on pace for 91-92 points and that’s a fairly good league winning campaign outside of the insanity of what’s happened the last few years.

Arsenal are pacing a fairly weak 2nd place finish historically, and Chelsea’s current 4th place pace is fairly weak historically.

I think it’s been a weird combination where the bottom 3 are very weak, the typical top of the table is weaker than normal, but most of the middle of the table is a bit stronger than normal.

I agree with most of this, but obviously hate the term “big six” it’s a commercial metric not a performance metric. And I think it’s lousy anyway.

The bottom three are useless this year. But The 17th place team could have multiple starters on the Brazil national team. The middle is very good. A non “big six” team just won a cup, and there is only one “big six” team left in FA Cup. It’s not necessarily a gulag this year, but it’s not what I would call an easy year/down year either

 

[KJS14]

Savant's own definition of league strength is purely how many points are Necessary to win the league

Savant's definitions change to whatever suits his current argument, but the last two years it was a weak league when Arsenal was in first place because there wasn't two teams on pace for 90+ points.

 

[Savant]

Savant's definitions change to whatever suits his current argument, but the last two years it was a weak league when Arsenal was in second place because there wasn't two teams on pace for 90+ points.

Fixed, and I stand by that

 

[bluesfan94]

Fixed, and I stand by that

You were saying it was a weak league in 22-23 when Arsenal absolutely wasn’t in second. Try to keep your arguments straight.

 

[Savant]

You were saying it was a weak league in 22-23 when Arsenal absolutely wasn’t in second. Try to keep your arguments straight.

I said it was a weak league when they were in second too. Second is where they finished. I didn’t change my mind when they weren’t in first anymore

 

[Stray Wasp]

Big up Stray Wasp. Shame it took Saudi Arabia's entire GDP to do it.

Thank you.

But I can assuage your fears. The Saudis still have enough money left to pay for all the torturers, assassins and proxy wars they need. Or feel a fleeting whim for.

Mind, had you told me in September 2021, before The Evils had landed, 'Newcastle United will win at Wembley in March 2024, with Dan Burn at centre back and Jacob Murphy starting at right wing,' I'd have presumed they were relegated twice and won the Johnstone's Paint trophy, or whatever it's called these days.

 

[koyvoo]

Thank you.

But I can assuage your fears. The Saudis still have enough money left to pay for all the torturers, assassins and proxy wars they need. Or feel a fleeting whim for.

Mind, had you told me in September 2021, before The Evils had landed, 'Newcastle United will win at Wembley in March 2024, with Dan Burn at centre back and Jacob Murphy starting at right wing,' I'd have presumed they were relegated twice and won the Johnstone's Paint trophy, or whatever it's called these days.

Welcome back

 

[Ceremony]

Thank you.

But I can assuage your fears. The Saudis still have enough money left to pay for all the torturers, assassins and proxy wars they need. Or feel a fleeting whim for.

Mind, had you told me in September 2021, before The Evils had landed, 'Newcastle United will win at Wembley in March 2024, with Dan Burn at centre back and Jacob Murphy starting at right wing,' I'd have presumed they were relegated twice and won the Johnstone's Paint trophy, or whatever it's called these days.

 

[Ceremony]

I swear to f*** someone needs to tell me how to embed pictures on here now