Blue Jays GDT: 2026 v9 | Next: vs HOU | Mon, Jun 22 | 7pm ET/4pm PT | Brown vs Cease

[LaP]

I think with Bieber, we shouldn't look at him as a Cy Young caliber pitcher. Just because he won one in a COVID shortened season, doesn't mean we should view him as a legit ace. He is probably more like a #2 or #3. And that's ok.

The question with him is whatever he has fully recovered. He has a career WHIP of 1.111, career FIP of 3.15 and career ERA+ of 132 which is very good. This is obviously not Skubal or Misiorowski good but it's still well above average.

 

[LaP]

Fwiw Hoffman has been much better in the 6-7 innings. Since May 18 he’s had one blowup (that Baltimore debacle in the 9th) and has otherwise fared extremely well. For the month of June he’s given up 1 run over 8 appearances.

The only time he has pitched badly lately is i think that game in the 9th inning which support the idea that he should not pitch past the 8th inning if possible.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[RoyHobbs]

Pin has options plus hes scary in the OF. Still don't get the trade though

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Key to success in this series: don't pitch to Alvarez

 

[red devil]

Key to success in this series: don't pitch to Alvarez

Alvarez is 2 for 18 against Cease but if he comes up with runners late in the game intentional walk would be the right call

 

[MS]

I think with Bieber, we shouldn't look at him as a Cy Young caliber pitcher. Just because he won one in a COVID shortened season, doesn't mean we should view him as a legit ace. He is probably more like a #2 or #3. And that's ok.

2019-2021 Bieber *was* that good - it wasn't just a short season. He was one of the 2-3 most dominant starters in MLB and could legit have had 300K seasons if things had played out a bit differently.

At age 31 coming off multiple injury issues, he's at best a mid-rotation arm who gets by on control and knowing how to pitch.

 

[RoyHobbs]

Garcia is the new Santander

 

[PanniniClaus]

Pin has options plus hes scary in the OF. Still don't get the trade though

I don't understand what Urias is bringing either, but I guess we will see.

 

[The Nemesis]

Key to success in this series: don't pitch to Alvarez

Other key to success: score more runs than the other team. It's a radical strategy, I know, but I think it can pay off.

 

[the valiant effort]

Back to back shaky firsts for Cease. Not whining or sounding any alarms, just observing

 

[red devil]

This umpire sucks

 

[PanniniClaus]

Rarely see Cease struggle for this long.

 

[PanniniClaus]

That's big

 

[PanniniClaus]

Great video tribute for Loperfido

 

[red devil]

Kaz Homer, you are forgiven with that last challenge

 

[The Nemesis]

f*** them picks challenges.

 

[PanniniClaus]

Mistake made up for!!!

 

[Suntouchable13]

Isn't it pretty good when your 7 hitter has a 110 ops+, and your 8th hitter is at 106?

 

[LaP]

50 pitches thru 2 innings can't be mad about that

 

[canucksfan]

Having solid at bats

 

[The Nemesis]

50 pitches thru 2 innings can't be mad about that

80 and we're not even out of the 3rd. That's fantastic.

 

[LaP]

80 and we're not even out of the 3rd. That's fantastic.

I think it's his last inning

 

[The Nemesis]

I think it's his last inning

I could see them trying to see if they can get 10-15 pitches out of him for a quick 4th, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they give him the hook just because he's basically walked a tightrope all game.

Comparatively Cease started out with the big pitch count but has settled down to the point that he could make it through 4 while just barely getting into the 70s

 

[red devil]

Astros are 5 for 5 in challenges and it is only the 4th inning