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2026 NHL Draft: We won #2! Reid or Stenberg for the win; taking Verhoeff is a drafting sin!

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You know it’s a dogshit draft class when an offenseman who couldn’t even score a point per game in the watered down OHL is being talked about as a potential 1st overall pick. This is like 2022 all over again. McKenna = Cooley, Stenbust = Slafkovsky, Reid/Verhoeff/Smits/Carels = Nemec/Jiricek/Mintyukov/Korchinski.
I know you are just trolling but it's funny that you crap on this class so much but love Frondell. Most scouting services have Stenberg as a better prospect. Better production, outperformed in the same tournaments they played in, every other excuse you use for other players, etc. But size
 
Maybe but I just don’t trust it. I saw THW say Ceci’s skating was elite at his draft. From what I have seen with Reid, I think there’s a solid #3 there but I don’t see a top guy. That guy may still be worth drafting over anyone else available but it’s a gamble. I don’t think any of these guys are high end catalysts except maybe McKenna but very solid secondary players.
Your whole posts are confirmation bias. Like the absolute definition.
 
I know you are just trolling but it's funny that you crap on this class so much but love Frondell. Most scouting services have Stenberg as a better prospect. Better production, outperformed in the same tournaments they played in, every other excuse you use for other players, etc. But size
Superior size, physicality and goal scoring ability are pretty important considerations when comparing forward prospects.
 
Superior size, physicality and goal scoring ability are pretty important considerations when comparing forward prospects.
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No hockey IQ?
 
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I tend to look at the vegas defensive core as a defensemen blueprint to strive for between McNabb, Hanifin, and Theodore. All of these guys are pretty big being at least 6'2". Theodore has a bit more of an offensive bend, Hanifin is a little more of a 2 way guy, and McNabb is slow but an excellent shutdown defenseman. I feel like the top of this draft has some similarities between Reid, Carels, and Smits/Verhoeff. I don't think I'd be too upset if that's where these kids ended up if we were to draft them

Also, Reid objectively and literally put up more points than the number of games he played.
 
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If Stenberg is viewed as a true franchise winger and Reid is viewed as a No. 1 defenseman, you take the better overall player. Most public rankings have Stenberg ahead of Reid for exactly that reason. Stenberg is producing against men in the SHL at a level that's extremely rare for a draft-eligible winger and projects as a top-line offensive driver. He's already proven he can play at a very high level against professional competition, while Reid is still more projection than production.

To me, it comes down to a simple question: if Stenberg becomes a Nylander-level first-line winger and Reid becomes a Dobson-level No. 1 defenseman, which player do the Sharks believe is more likely to reach that ceiling? Draft the player, not the position.
If Reid is a Number 1.... you take him 10 out of 10 times. If Stenberg is basically Nylander... we will be just fine if we dont select him.
 
Stenberg did better on two of those three at the most recent WC, same team, same tournament.
The tournament where Frondell was clearly hurt and only played four games? I’ll take the guy who scored 20 SHL goals this year over the guy who scored 11 especially considering Frondell is only a few months older than Stenberg.
 
How the hell did we lose the Geekie for Bystedt, Lund and Havelid trade horribly? At worst it’s a wash since none of those players have established themselves in the NHL entering their D+5 seasons.
At best it's a wash if Geekie busts, it's not like they're going to give Bystedt much opportunity, Havelid is already a bust, and Lund isn't much better. Maybe Lund turns into a hard-working bottom sixer by some miracle.

You have to assume the opportunity cost of passing on Mateychuk or other useful players like Ohgren or Yurov.
 
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It was my dream a year ago to get Voerhoff this draft. We had all kinds of Voerhoff rhymes in our thread. I know he struggled, especially late, but come on, 17 in the current ncaa playing against Martone, hagens, McKenna, etc. it’s not the same ncaa as the year before. It’s a seriously hard place to play, especially as a D, and voerhoff handled his own.
Funny that you mentioned 3 players he never played against. The league he played in wasn't any different from the prior year in any meaningful way. He didn't struggle because there was a Clarke Caswell on an opposing team instead of some random 23 year old American. Quite the opposite, it was the more physically mature players that forechecked hard and played structured that exposed his shortcomings more than anything.
 
I know there are a lot of opinions about Chase Reid, but even if he became your typical offensive defencemen/PP1 guy (which is a big win) he still has size and has time to learn to use that to his advantage.
Yeah, although I think a guy mostly is what he is. I don't think Reid is ever going to be a super physical guy on defense, though he does appear to be situationally physical when he needs to be at the junior level.
 
The tournament where Frondell was clearly hurt and only played four games? I’ll take the guy who scored 20 SHL goals this year over the guy who scored 11 especially considering Frondell is only a few months older than Stenberg.
Like Corey Pronman, there is no limit to the number of hills you will die on. It's impressive.
 
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Did Vegas build its defense through the draft? Did they even draft a No. 1 defenseman like Chase Reid? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

Noah Hanifin and Alex Pietrangelo are widely considered the top defensemen for the Vegas Golden Knights, and neither was drafted by the franchise. Both were acquired through trades or free agency.

So much for the "whiny little-girl voice" argument that it's so hard to acquire a No. 1 defenseman through trades.
You do realize that Hanafin was a 5OA pick and Pietrangelo was drafted 4OA. Vegas has very little in terms of a prospect pool so eventually they will run into trouble once key players get injured especially after the league did away with the allowance for playoff salary for IR players.

Not to mention with the large salary cap increases the FA market has become a minefield to navigate because most teams ave money to do things in FA. Tight cap constraints often make it easier for trades to occur.

Vegas is aware of this of course, but they will hit a wall. The Sharks have babies helming this team. The Sharks are in no position to acquire 30-year-olds unless it's on a short-term deal. For all we know the team could regress next year and then what?

Injuries and regression/lack of development can happen to anyone.
 
At best it's a wash if Geekie busts, it's not like they're going to give Bystedt much opportunity, Havelid is already a bust, and Lund isn't much better. Maybe Lund turns into a hard-working bottom sixer by some miracle.

You have to assume the opportunity cost of passing on Mateychuk or other useful players like Ohgren or Yurov.
Bystedt and Lund still have trade value and it's completely disingenuous to judge a draft pick trade by the best players selected after the pick with the benefit of 4 years hindsight. It's like saying a team lost a trade horribly in which they dealt away a 7th rounder because Joe Pavelski was selected two slots later. Even still you can't come up with better examples of who we missed out on than two bottom six forwards and a smurf offenseman.

More importantly that trade shouldn't dissuade the Sharks from trading down to say 5th overall if it gets them Braden Schneider or the 27th and 63rd picks from New York and they still get to pick the guy they wanted at #5 anyway. If they don't have a strong preference between a group of prospects and they're getting fair value to trade down there's no reason not to do it.

Like Corey Pronman, there is no limit to the number of hills you will die on. It's impressive.
If Stenberg proves to be a more useful NHL player than Frondell I will gladly admit I was wrong. There's no evidence to suggest that yet. It should also be obvious that a team with Celebrini, Smith and Eklund on it would benefit a lot more from a player like Frondell than a one-dimensional smurf winger.
 
How the hell did we lose the Geekie for Bystedt, Lund and Havelid trade horribly? At worst it’s a wash since none of those players have established themselves in the NHL entering their D+5 seasons.
I'm still wondering how that trade came about because Grier was hired only a few weeks before the draft. It begs the question what was the motivation to trade down.

I have my theories:
1. Mintukov was who Grier wanted with #11 but Anaheim drafted him at 10.
2. The farm system under Jr. was atrocious. I mean how bad does it have to be for Thomas Bordeleau to be a top 2 prospect in your prospect pool.

I think Grier with poor prep time thought hey I don't like the guys after 11 and we need to grow the pool in terms of bodies.

2023/2024/2025 drafts have been good beyond the top 5 picks or at least there's good potential.

2023 Cagnoni and Pohlkamp were taken 4th and 5th round respectively
Musty still has value even if he ends being traded. Haltunnen still has value.

2024 draft could go down as the greatest draft in Sharks history and one of the greatest draft classes for a team in NHL history.

2025 Has also looked good although I really wanted Zharkovsky at 33.
 
You do realize that Hanafin was a 5OA pick and Pietrangelo was drafted 4OA. Vegas has very little in terms of a prospect pool so eventually they will run into trouble once key players get injured especially after the league did away with the allowance for playoff salary for IR players.

Not to mention with the large salary cap increases the FA market has become a minefield to navigate because most teams ave money to do things in FA. Tight cap constraints often make it easier for trades to occur.

Vegas is aware of this of course, but they will hit a wall. The Sharks have babies helming this team. The Sharks are in no position to acquire 30-year-olds unless it's on a short-term deal. For all we know the team could regress next year and then what?

Injuries and regression/lack of development can happen to anyone.
Look at the Stanley Cup contenders of the last decade. How many built their blue line exclusively through the draft? Almost none. Successful teams use every tool available: drafting, trading, and free agency. The model isn't "draft your defensemen or fail." The model is "build the best roster you can, however you can."

Look at Colorado. Yes, they drafted Cale Makar, but they also acquired Devon Toews through trade. Championship teams rarely rely on one pipeline alone. They identify weaknesses and add talent wherever they can find it.

Vegas did this as well. Their Stanley Cup-winning defense corps was built through a combination of acquisitions and development. Alex Pietrangelo arrived through free agency. Alec Martinez was acquired by trade. Shea Theodore came from Anaheim expansion draft. Nicolas Hague was the only one drafted and developed by Vegas. The lesson isn't that you must draft every key defenseman. The lesson is that elite teams find top defensemen through multiple avenues.

And if top-pair defensemen are truly impossible to acquire, so why can we name so many who changed organizations during their careers? Pietrangelo left St. Louis. Devon Toews moved from the Islanders to Colorado. Mattias Ekholm went from Nashville to Edmonton. Erik Karlsson played for Ottawa, San Jose, and Pittsburgh. Brent Burns went from Minnesota to San Jose and later Carolina. History shows that elite defensemen do become available through trades and free agency.

Now look at the other side of the coin. How often do truly elite franchise wingers become available in their prime? Players like Alex Ovechkin, David Pastrňák, Nikita Kucherov, and Mikko Rantanen are the kinds of game-breaking offensive talents that teams desperately try to keep. Elite wingers who can drive offense, score 40–50 goals, and change games on their own are rarely available, especially during their prime years. When teams find those players, they usually build around them.

Yes, injuries and development setbacks happen. That's true for every prospect, including defensemen. The idea that a defenseman is automatically the "safe pick" is often overstated. NHL history is filled with highly drafted defensemen who became solid players, while forwards selected later developed into franchise-changing stars. Every prospect carries risk, regardless of position.

That's why the real question isn't whether elite defensemen can be acquired. History shows they can. The real question is whether Chase Reid is clearly the best player available. Is he so much better than the top 2 forwards on the board that passing on potential elite offensive talent is justified?

The Sharks aren't drafting a position; they're drafting a player. The real question facing GMMG and the scouting staff is simple: Which prospect is most likely to become a franchise-changing talent over the next decade?
 
I'm still wondering how that trade came about because Grier was hired only a few weeks before the draft. It begs the question what was the motivation to trade down.

I have my theories:
1. Mintukov was who Grier wanted with #11 but Anaheim drafted him at 10.
2. The farm system under Jr. was atrocious. I mean how bad does it have to be for Thomas Bordeleau to be a top 2 prospect in your prospect pool.

I think Grier with poor prep time thought hey I don't like the guys after 11 and we need to grow the pool in terms of bodies.

2023/2024/2025 drafts have been good beyond the top 5 picks or at least there's good potential.

2023 Cagnoni and Pohlkamp were taken 4th and 5th round respectively
Musty still has value even if he ends being traded. Haltunnen still has value.

2024 draft could go down as the greatest draft in Sharks history and one of the greatest draft classes for a team in NHL history.

2025 Has also looked good although I really wanted Zharkovsky at 33.
I think your 2nd theory is correct but the trade also just objectively favored SJ according to the pick value chart. It's rare you get a difference maker in the 11-15 range so it's smart to trade a ~40% chance at drafting a useful NHLer for three ~20% chances.
 
You do realize that Hanafin was a 5OA pick and Pietrangelo was drafted 4OA. Vegas has very little in terms of a prospect pool so eventually they will run into trouble once key players get injured especially after the league did away with the allowance for playoff salary for IR players.

Not to mention with the large salary cap increases the FA market has become a minefield to navigate because most teams ave money to do things in FA. Tight cap constraints often make it easier for trades to occur.

Vegas is aware of this of course, but they will hit a wall. The Sharks have babies helming this team. The Sharks are in no position to acquire 30-year-olds unless it's on a short-term deal. For all we know the team could regress next year and then what?

Injuries and regression/lack of development can happen to anyone.
"Surely Vegas will fall out of contention soon because of their lack of prospect pool and aging core"

We've been saying this for so long now
 

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