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Prospect Info: 2025 World Juniors

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I completely disagree with Eiserman looking great at this WJC, the biggest red flags surrounding his play have been on full display. Awful shot selection being one, and that is in part due to having total tunnel vision being another. When he gets the puck his mind is often already made up on if he is going to shoot or pass, there is too little reading the play and making the decision to shoot or pass in real time, especially if there is any amount of pressure on him. Shooting from the top of the circle with the opposing goalie having a clear line of vision to the shot when a pass could be made? Check. Shooting the puck directly at a player on the opposing team with a miniscule chance of the shot getting through? Check. Making the very first pass that he thinks he can connect on instead of making a better read or moving his feet to buy more time and space to find other options? Check. For a pure goal scorer, he has two goals in four WJC games. One was in garbage time with less then 2 minutes left in a game where USA put up 10 on Germany. The other was on the PP where Canada put absolutely zero pressure on him and gave Eiserman the time and space to freely use his best weapon to its fullest potential. He has been gifted a bunch of PP time and that is where two of his four assists have come from. The two even strength assists have come against Germany and Latvia. I really don't see his game translating to the NHL, there is a reason he was drafted at 20th despite putting up 92 goals in 88 games in his draft year.
 
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cjm502 said:
I completely disagree with Eiserman looking great at this WJC, the biggest red flags surrounding his play have been on full display. Awful shot selection being one, and that is in part due to having total tunnel vision being another. When he gets the puck his mind is often already made up on if he is going to shoot or pass, there is too little reading the play and making the decision to shoot or pass in real time, especially if there is any amount of pressure on him. Shooting from the top of the circle with the opposing goalie having a clear line of vision to the shot when a pass could be made? Check. Shooting the puck directly at a player on the opposing team with a miniscule chance of the shot getting through? Check. Making the very first pass that he thinks he can connect on instead of making a better read or moving his feet to buy more time and space to find other options? Check. For a pure goal scorer, he has two goals in four WJC games. One was in garbage time with less then 2 minutes left in a game where USA put up 10 on Germany. The other was on the PP where Canada put absolutely zero pressure on him and gave Eiserman the time and space to freely use his best weapon to its fullest potential. He has been gifted a bunch of PP time and that is where two of his four assists have come from. The two even strength assists have come against Germany and Latvia. I really don't see his game translating to the NHL, there is a reason he was drafted at 20th despite putting up 92 goals in 88 games in his draft year.
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I'm sorry. I think you wanted the Actual Analysis discussion. That's two doors down the hall. Here we just watch box scores and make sweeping declarations.
 
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Yet another case of the general opinion of a kid being "obviously he is putting up ridiculous numbers against kids, but I'm not sure his game translates to winning NHL hockey"

And then supporters leaping to say "See, I told you so!" when... he continues to put up good numbers against kids.

I don't get it.
 
JohanFranzenstein said:
Red Wings rarely draft or sign offense only players. Last 90 point player was Datsyuk, the greatest defensive forward of all time. Last 40 goal scorer was Hossa, a 2 way monster.

Last time a pure sniper was brought in free agency was maybe, what, Hull in 2001?

Trust the process. Ras, Kasper, Mazur, MBN are all players who are going to be difficult to play against in playoffs.

And, if we're picking from 12-18 like I feel we are this year, Cameron Schmidt is my pick for a dynamic offensive minded forward.
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Rarely draft WELL. They took Zadina.
 
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Didn’t Zadina say something about getting revenge on everyone who passed on him on the draft. We will see if Cole can back up his words
 
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heyfolks said:
Rarely draft WELL. They took Zadina.
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Well you certainly picked 1 of Holland's picks.

Rarely draft WELL?
Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, ASP, Cossa, Augustine, Buchelnikov, Danielson

I'd say we're doing a very good job of drafting well since '19.

But hey, we drafted Zadina that one time. You're right. We should have drafted Hughes.
 
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Euro Twins said:
Well you certainly picked 1 of Holland's picks.

Rarely draft WELL?
Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, ASP, Cossa, Augustine, Buchelnikov, Danielson

I'd say we're doing a very good job of drafting well since '19.

But hey, we drafted Zadina that one time. You're right. We should have drafted Hughes.
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He’s saying they rarely draft offense-only guys well. But even Zadina is not a great example because he was a good 200 foot player in junior too.

The wings have never had a true offensive superstar since maybe Fedorov and even he was amazing defensively too. They truly don’t take offense only guys in general.
 
Euro Twins said:
Well you certainly picked 1 of Holland's picks.

Rarely draft WELL?
Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, ASP, Cossa, Augustine, Buchelnikov, Danielson

I'd say we're doing a very good job of drafting well since '19.

But hey, we drafted Zadina that one time. You're right. We should have drafted Hughes.
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I think bringing up Zadina was a counterpoint to the idea that the Red Wings haven't brought in any offense first players since Brett Hull, not a comment on Yzerman's drafting.

It's real easy to act like the team doesn't bring in offensive players when the reality is they do, it just turns out that that player type is sometimes not good enough. A handful of names off the top of my head: Zadina, Sprong, Mantha, Athanasiou, Frk, Pulkinnen, Jurco, Phillips, Tyutyayev, Berggrenn, Kane, Hirose.... sometimes the boring Rasmussen's are better than the guys with that can put the puck in the net in juniors
 
A bit of a reality check with a few less-than-great plays from ASP in the 2nd period including a turnover at the blueline leading to a breakaway
 
I feel like there is this weird sect of people who look at way too early draft rankings - lock in at the preliminary Top 5 and when it comes to the draft like 10 months later and if that guy who was tentatively placed at one drops down, it's like "HJKDFLJKLFDJS! How can you let the best player ever drop so far?!" And like, not matter what you say or what they do on the ice, that player is always the best and all these teams screwed up. Like that first rank seems to cement in their elite status forever.

I remember Eiserman was originally projected as the "IT" guy, and then goes 20, or Wright was going to be the #1, Raty, Lambert, or Zadina.
 
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