Prospect Info: 2025 World Junior Hockey Championship

[ellja3]

Latvia got as far in the tournament as Canada did and we beat them in head-to-head

Edit: Ēriks Mateiko has more points and goals than anyone from Team Canada.

 

[GKJ]

It’s tough on the Canadian kids to get pilloried when it’s not their fault such a poor team got selected. But good call by the haters who hated the selection from the beginning. They were proved 100% correct.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Canada had the player pool to mop the floor with the competition. On home ice too.

The arrogance to not invite top 10 picks to your f***ing camp. They need to go back to the 2010s and invite 60 guys to camp. Just go full on TV show.

They didn’t need more skill on the blueline. How’d that work out? Again? Do these guys ever think about what will happen if the one skill guy they are counting on gets hurt during the tournament?

Let’s pencil in a guy with 7 f***ing points on the season as a top pair guy. Of course he takes the penalty that is the final dagger.

 

[pooch]

Why does he do that with his lips. I hate it, Gusa.

Blue Steel

 

[Curufinwe]

He is roughly the same age as Ben Stiller

 

[Philly Fanatik]

I wonder if it’s the right time for Canada to take a page out of the USA’s direction in training their elite hockey players.
Setting up a National Team Development Program?
Seeing the two countries are overhauling the junior systems which divided the NCAA and the major junior leagues of Canada…might be something for Hockey Canada to concentrate on in the very near future!

 

[deadhead]

Except the top US players seem to be coming out of college.
Basically, Boston college.

 

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[Hollywood Cannon]

Except the top US players seem to be coming out of college.
Basically, Boston college.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Canada has too many players to make a single NTDP team work. Maybe they could do a part time team that plays periodically throughout the year or something, but Canada's problem isn't development (outside of maybe goaltending). They still develop amazing talents. It's just when it comes to these tournaments they still operate with a 20 year old mind set. They will opt for a bigger player even if he's less skilled. They will opt for traditional top 6/bottom 6 lines. So they essentially start with the best and deepest prospect pool, and shrink it down closer to their opponents' level. Canada still had enough talent to win Gold, but their narrow for margin shrunk if their top guys either weren't going or gelling and that's what happened.

When Canada used to run this tournament, the rules were different. Go watch the 2005 WJC. It was basically football on skates. They used to be able to physically dominate and overwhelm opponents. Can't do that anymore but they still fill out their roster hoping to do that. Another thing is, most European players a decade or so ago didn't play major pro hockey minutes. Now most of them do so they aren't as intimidated or overwhelmed by the pace of play. College hockey has also picked up in large part to the USNTDP. The players US used to trot out were low scoring Freshman and Sophomores trying to get their feet wet. Now they are the top scorers in the country. The chemistry helps, but they are producing better players.

USA still makes dumb roster decisions, but their player pool isn't nearly as big so they can't f*** it up quite like Canada.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Cameron is a Torts clone, but even he thinks Jett isnt very good.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I actually think with the CHL now being an option while still retaining NCAA eligibility some American kids should actually consider it more over taking a lesser role with the US Program. Obviously some years it’s lean on talent & others it’s heavier on talent.

In those heavier years on talent you’ll have these kids that go in the second-third round in the NHL draft despite playing third line/third pair roles with little to no PP time. You know these kids could have probably played top six/top four pair with PP time with USHL teams. But they probably weren’t prestigious enough.

Perhaps the CHL could be.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

I actually think with the CHL now being an option while still retaining NCAA eligibility some American kids should actually consider it more over taking a lesser role with the US Program. Obviously some years it’s lean on talent & others it’s heavier on talent.

In those heavier years on talent you’ll have these kids that go in the second-third round in the NHL draft despite playing third line/third pair roles with little to no PP time. You know these kids could have probably played top six/top four pair with PP time with USHL teams. But they probably weren’t prestigious enough.

Perhaps the CHL could be.

same thing applies for canadian players opting to go ncaa route for d+2 season

 

[Larry44]

Canada has too many players to make a single NTDP team work. Maybe they could do a part time team that plays periodically throughout the year or something, but Canada's problem isn't development (outside of maybe goaltending). They still develop amazing talents. It's just when it comes to these tournaments they still operate with a 20 year old mind set. They will opt for a bigger player even if he's less skilled. They will opt for traditional top 6/bottom 6 lines. So they essentially start with the best and deepest prospect pool, and shrink it down closer to their opponents' level. Canada still had enough talent to win Gold, but their narrow for margin shrunk if their top guys either weren't going or gelling and that's what happened.

When Canada used to run this tournament, the rules were different. Go watch the 2005 WJC. It was basically football on skates. They used to be able to physically dominate and overwhelm opponents. Can't do that anymore but they still fill out their roster hoping to do that. Another thing is, most European players a decade or so ago didn't play major pro hockey minutes. Now most of them do so they aren't as intimidated or overwhelmed by the pace of play. College hockey has also picked up in large part to the USNTDP. The players US used to trot out were low scoring Freshman and Sophomores trying to get their feet wet. Now they are the top scorers in the country. The chemistry helps, but they are producing better players.

USA still makes dumb roster decisions, but their player pool isn't nearly as big so they can't f*** it up quite like Canada.

Canada can't take the best CHL players away from their club teams because those teams survive on gate revenue, there isn't any real TV money.

The age cohort kids play a lot of tournaments against each other when they're small, then on the provincial or national teams. Familiarity isn't an problem. Good players find their roles through good coaching and mesh.

This year the problem with the team was a lack of size, not an obsession with it. The Euro teams are bringing more big forwards and a mix of D, and our Fs could not get by the Czech D or stop their Fs. Size and speed are where it's at, in combination, and we didn't have it. A lot of the star forwards for Canada just came up empty.

Regional representation is also an issue, re: Quebec/East Coast. I can't see any other reason for Gauthier and Cataford to be on this team except they are playing in Quebec.

Sennecke might have been a dominant force in this series, like McKenna is, especially together. They needed the offense that guys like Misa and Cristal could have provided, and leaving Parekh and Yakemchuk off the roster was reckless.

Oh well, there's always next year, with Captain Jett...

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Canada has too many players to make a single NTDP team work. Maybe they could do a part time team that plays periodically throughout the year or something, but Canada's problem isn't development (outside of maybe goaltending). They still develop amazing talents. It's just when it comes to these tournaments they still operate with a 20 year old mind set. They will opt for a bigger player even if he's less skilled. They will opt for traditional top 6/bottom 6 lines. So they essentially start with the best and deepest prospect pool, and shrink it down closer to their opponents' level. Canada still had enough talent to win Gold, but their narrow for margin shrunk if their top guys either weren't going or gelling and that's what happened.

When Canada used to run this tournament, the rules were different. Go watch the 2005 WJC. It was basically football on skates. They used to be able to physically dominate and overwhelm opponents. Can't do that anymore but they still fill out their roster hoping to do that. Another thing is, most European players a decade or so ago didn't play major pro hockey minutes. Now most of them do so they aren't as intimidated or overwhelmed by the pace of play. College hockey has also picked up in large part to the USNTDP. The players US used to trot out were low scoring Freshman and Sophomores trying to get their feet wet. Now they are the top scorers in the country. The chemistry helps, but they are producing better players.

USA still makes dumb roster decisions, but their player pool isn't nearly as big so they can't f*** it up quite like Canada.

I just saw the clip of it as it showed up on my twitter feed. But Shane O’Brien takeaway was similar that Canada used to dominate this tournament annually by running over teams both physically & skillfully. But the physicality isn’t really there for them or anybody else for that matter. But the other nations caught up to Canada skillfully to where the gap isn’t big if at all.

Where he differed though was still doubling down on taking a diet version of that thought process when assembling a team.

Was it Anthony Camara in 2013 a bit of the inflection point for Hockey Canada or just bringing absolute lunatics to this tournament as the IIHF started cracking down more even stiffer than the NHL?

 

[deadhead]

Still want to check the IDs of some of those Czech players, one dude had a full beard and looked like he'd been in the NHL for half a decade, then you look at all those Canadian baby faces.

I think Canada had too much skill at forward and not enough on defense, the third pair was pretty limited. The forwards were quick and skillful but seemed to struggle in the dirty areas with a lot of the action 20 foot shots from bad angles.

 

[deadhead]

Just checking, the highest scoring Flyer prospect,
Heiki Ruohonen 5g 0-3 3, tied with Helenius.

 

[freakydallas13]

Lol at Laughtchenko with 1G 0A in 5 games. Combined with Bonk's 1G 1A, and the two players still scored less than Buium so far.

Truly some mastermind picks those 2.

 

[Tripod]

Only 1 person would watch Team Canada and say they had too much skill at forward.

Funny that person defends Torts...and defended Fletch to the end.

Huh.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Why do hockey people just default to size and physicality any time a team lays an egg in a playoff setting? Canada didn't even make the medal round with a GAA under 2.

Canada scored one more goal than Kazakhstan in this tournament. Their top scorer had THREE points. Oliver Bonk was running their top PP for half the tournament. 60 shots against Latvia and they could only muster 2 goals and none in the shootout. Outshot USA. One goal. In one of the weaker tournaments I can remember (Canada lost to two teams without a skater that cracks their roster). I just don't know how anyone can say there was adequate skill (too much!) given what was available to them.

They hand out 5 minute majors like candy in this tournament. Expecting to goon and intimidate your way to a Gold medal doesn't work anymore. Even so Canada was the second heaviest team at the tournament.

Was it Anthony Camara in 2013 a bit of the inflection point for Hockey Canada or just bringing absolute lunatics to this tournament as the IIHF started cracking down more even stiffer than the NHL?

Yeah. He knocked a Slovak out cold before he hit the ice. He got on the team third wheeling with Scheifele in Barrie that year. That was another epic of a disaster tournament for Canada. That was the lockout year so Canada had everyone and were getting hyped as the best team ever. MacKinnon was the 13th forward lol. Gaudreau carved them up in the Semis and then they mailed in the Bronze game against Russia.

Boone Jenner knocked Olli Maatta out with a hit first game of the tournament the year before too.

 

[deadhead]

Why do hockey people just default to size and physicality any time a team lays an egg in a playoff setting? Canada didn't even make the medal round with a GAA under 2.

Canada scored one more goal than Kazakhstan in this tournament. Their top scorer had THREE points. Oliver Bonk was running their top PP for half the tournament. 60 shots against Latvia and they could only muster 2 goals and none in the shootout. Outshot USA. One goal. In one of the weaker tournaments I can remember (Canada lost to two teams without a skater that cracks their roster). I just don't know how anyone can say there was adequate skill (too much!) given what was available to them.

They hand out 5 minute majors like candy in this tournament. Expecting to goon and intimidate your way to a Gold medal doesn't work anymore. Even so Canada was the second heaviest team at the tournament.


Yeah. He knocked a Slovak out cold before he hit the ice. He got on the team third wheeling with Scheifele in Barrie that year. That was another epic of a disaster tournament for Canada. That was the lockout year so Canada had everyone and were getting hyped as the best team ever. MacKinnon was the 13th forward lol. Gaudreau carved them up in the Semis and then they mailed in the Bronze game against Russia.

Boone Jenner knocked Olli Maatta out with a hit first game of the tournament the year before too.

Bonk was in the bumper most of the time on the PP.

They skated and passed well, but played mostly a perimeter game, only one or two players who'd go into the dirty area on a regular basis. Too many unscreened shots from 20 feet.

 

[Magua]

Bonk was a bumper for maybe the final 2+ games. Still was on every PP1 and empty net situation. Just laughable usage.

Bonk in the bumper will be the next Provorov when it comes to head-meets-wall Flyers PP usage. He’s regressed to 6 goals this season (2 PPG) because a below average skill NHL defender is not a savant in the slot compared to a 30 goal NHL forward. It’s been a junior gimmick. No NHL team puts a defender there….but oh mama, it’s coming.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Bonk was a bumper for maybe the final 2+ games. Still was on every PP1 and empty net situation. Just laughable usage.

Bonk in the bumper will be the next Provorov when it comes to head-meets-wall Flyers PP usage. He’s regressed to 6 goals this season (2 PPG) because a below average skill NHL defender is not a savant in the slot compared to a 30 goal NHL forward. It’s been a junior gimmick. No NHL team puts a defender there….but oh mama, it’s coming.

Well Hopefully Michkov can keep up with him and Drysdale. And if he's not producing Rocky can always demote him to second PP and bring up Laughton or Cates.

I'm sure Torts would be pleased to have two dmen on pp so they are better suited to prevent shorthanded goals against.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Flyers management and social media would be in shambles: I can't remember if it was on the main boards or one of the team board's WJC threads, but a poster in one of the threads I was reading was questioning why the hell Canada had a dman in the PP bumper spot

 

[deadhead]

If you don't have suitable power forwards, putting a big D-man with good hands in the bumper is not the worst idea. There's a lot of contact in that area, and putting a smaller guy there is asking him to be a pinball - which is why the smaller forwards tend to hang out at the side of the net where a D-man doesn't want to get out of position to check them.