Speculation: 2025 Trade/Free Agency Thread

[robbieboy3686]

It was meant to be slightly unrealistic.
if I’m being serious

-New coaches across the board should be the first thing
- bringing in a big name top 6 player via free agency or trade(ehlers, marner, boeser)
- whole new 4th line…. Gaucher/nesterenko … don’t think I need to see anyone from the 4th line back(tho I’m indifferent on Lundy).

I’ve said it before I’d love for us to go after JGP via trade, islanders might need the cap space and he’d be a good bottom 6’r for us.
Defense is pretty much set, prob just need a vet 7th.

Then it looks something like (well use boeser who might be more practical)

Gauthier Carlsson Boeser
Zegras Mctavish Colangelo
Vatrano strome terry
Nesterenko Pageau Gaucher

Zegras at wing is a failed experiment. Either we get him at center or we trade him. And I’m sure Zegras and his agent might agree with that. Contract seasonnnext season for him. They aren’t going to be happy with the status quo

 

[JAHV]

I think it’s a very real possibility that Terry in Toronto is an 80 point player and Marner in Anaheim is also an 80 point player though. Marner doesn’t score goals at a high rate, and he wouldn’t be making anyone score here at a higher rate either.

Marner career G/60 =0.085; A/60=1.79;2023-25 G/60=0.79, A/60=1.84
Terry career G/60=0.73, A/60=1.13; G/60=0.0167; 2023-25 G/60 0.68, A/60=1.26

He’s very good, but he needs someone to pass to. That’s where the majority of the points differential lies.

Why do you say the bolded? Marner is in the top 3 of playmakers in the game. He absolutely would be making guys here score at higher rates.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Why do you say the bolded? Marner is in the top 3 of playmakers in the game. He absolutely would be making guys here score at higher rates.

Because our guys currently get beautiful setups and routinely shank it and or shoot it directly into the crest. Marner isn’t going to stop that from happening somehow.

 

[DavidBL]

Because our guys currently get beautiful setups and routinely shank it and or shoot it directly into the crest. Marner isn’t going to stop that from happening somehow.

Part of that is time and space. Marner draws players to him making more time and space for his team mates. It could absolutely help with that.

 

[The Duck Knight]

Because our guys currently get beautiful setups and routinely shank it and or shoot it directly into the crest. Marner isn’t going to stop that from happening somehow.

He'd be going from playing at 5on5 with one of the best goal scorers of this generation in Matthews PLUS 2 former/current 40 goal scorers on the PP in Nylander/Tavares to what? Leo and Cutter? More likely Leo and Killorn. Yeah he's not putting up the same numbers in this hypothetical.

 

[Vipers31]

Because our guys currently get beautiful setups and routinely shank it and or shoot it directly into the crest. Marner isn’t going to stop that from happening somehow.

Fair, to some degree, but he’s obviously better than anyone on the roster at setting up good chances. So whether he‘d create better chances or just help create those chances more often, it’s clearly nothing we’re in a position to neglect - particularly given that Cutter and MacT have excellent shots that need more set-ups.

 

[tomd]

But but but....sunshine and hot chicks!!!

 

[The Duck Knight]

Fair, to some degree, but he’s obviously better than anyone on the roster at setting up good chances. So whether he‘d create better chances or just help create those chances more often, it’s clearly nothing we’re in a position to neglect - particularly given that Cutter and MacT have excellent shots that need more set-ups.

That isn't the dispute though. Of course he's better than a group of non prime forwards outside of Terry. Is he worth 14m per year for 7 years though? And what does that do to your ability to build a team once you set that contract precedent?

 

[FiveTacos]

This is a hockey fan forum, I don't think anyone needs to be realistic.

Let the McDavid to Anaheim proposals commence!

 

[Ducks DVM]

That isn't the dispute though. Of course he's better than a group of non prime forwards outside of Terry. Is he worth 14m per year for 7 years though. And what does that do to your ability to build a team once you set that contract precedent?

I do think he’s probably worth 14M. I’m just not convinced he’s worth 14M to THIS collection of forwards. You’d have to hope that Terry can go back to being a shooter because someone else on the line can actually set him up, or that Carlsson gets consistent, or Gauthier progresses, or that McTavish can keep up with him physically and mentally, or that Sennecke is ready in the relatively near future, or that Pastujov’s game translates to the NHL.

Lots of ifs.

 

[The Duck Knight]

I do think he’s probably worth 14M. I’m just not convinced he’s worth 14M to THIS collection of forwards. You’d have to hope that Terry can go back to being a shooter because someone else on the line can actually set him up, or that Carlsson gets consistent, or Gauthier progresses, or that McTavish can keep up with him physically and mentally, or that Sennecke is ready in the relatively near future, or that Pastujov’s game translates to the NHL.

Lots of ifs.

I agree. I think in the right situation he can be worth that type of a deal. It would need to be a contender that already is set with a bonafide 1C and 1D though. Can't be spending that type of money on a wing before you are set down the middle and on the backend.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Marner is a pretty decent goal scorer as well. If he didn't play with such a shooter in Matthews, he'd probably have even more. Easily 30-40 goal guy based on ability

 

[2faded]

I do think he’s probably worth 14M. I’m just not convinced he’s worth 14M to THIS collection of forwards. You’d have to hope that Terry can go back to being a shooter because someone else on the line can actually set him up, or that Carlsson gets consistent, or Gauthier progresses, or that McTavish can keep up with him physically and mentally, or that Sennecke is ready in the relatively near future, or that Pastujov’s game translates to the NHL.

Lots of ifs.

This collection of forwards is likely to change drastically over the life of a potential Marner contract. Even if it didn't, if this collection of forwards is so bad that Marner doesn't move the needle at all, then this rebuild was a failure before it even started.

Deciding on signing a guy to an eight year contacts based on who's on the team next year is just short sighted.

 

[Mr Rogers]

I do think he’s probably worth 14M. I’m just not convinced he’s worth 14M to THIS collection of forwards. You’d have to hope that Terry can go back to being a shooter because someone else on the line can actually set him up, or that Carlsson gets consistent, or Gauthier progresses, or that McTavish can keep up with him physically and mentally, or that Sennecke is ready in the relatively near future, or that Pastujov’s game translates to the NHL.

Lots of ifs.

Nothing you mentioned is incorrect per se, but you just have to take a chance at some point. Now it doesn't have to be Marner, but we're getting to point where it's worth taking a shot.

Even ignoring the fact that the young guys haven't broken out yet, we literally can't score goals. Need to bring an impact forward or two simply because our offense is dreadful.

 

[lwvs84]

Because our guys currently get beautiful setups and routinely shank it and or shoot it directly into the crest. Marner isn’t going to stop that from happening somehow.

That's true, but he'd be replacing a guy who shanks chances so those a lot more of those setups to him will go in. Also, he's a better passer than anyone we have, some of the ones he makes will be just a bit softer or just that couple of inches more correct that will help others score. Plus as the kids develop, they SHOULD get better at finishing chances. All we can do with the vets is replace them though.

 

[Ducks DVM]

This collection of forwards is likely to change drastically over the life of a potential Marner contract. Even if it didn't, if this collection of forwards is so bad that Marner doesn't move the needle at all, then this rebuild was a failure before it even started.

Deciding on signing a guy to an eight year contacts based on who's on the team next year is just short sighted.

I feel like the first 2-3 of those 8 years we won’t have the horses, and statistically the last 2-3 years of that contract his skills will be deteriorating. That’s a pretty small sweet spot for 14M.

 

[Vipers31]

That isn't the dispute though. Of course he's better than a group of non prime forwards outside of Terry. Is he worth 14m per year for 7 years though? And what does that do to your ability to build a team once you set that contract precedent?

Like everybody else on here, I have zero idea what he wants from which team. I have no problems with anyone pointing to cap implications, although those mostly rely on guys taking steps towards where Marner already is. There is a risk in projection, and that’s fair to acknowledge. I was objecting to the idea that he would not have a meaningful impact on our ability to score goals based on our perceived lack of finishing compared to our playmaking.

 

[JAHV]

Because our guys currently get beautiful setups and routinely shank it and or shoot it directly into the crest. Marner isn’t going to stop that from happening somehow.

I don't think they get them as routinely as they would if one of the top 2 or 3 passers in the NHL was setting them up. Marner would help us score more without a doubt. He wouldn't put up as many points as does next to Matthews and Nylander, but he'll still be incredibly valuable.

The bottom line for me is that the Ducks need to add talent and Marner is one of the most talented guys in the league. If they can add him, they should, even if the price is exorbitant.

 

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Small thing Anaheim did at the deadline: trading Brian Dumoulin (and getting a good return) opened space for both Pavel Mintyukov and Olen Zellweger to regularly play. The Ducks were content to let them face some adversity and battle for their ice time, but other teams were waiting to see if either lost patience. Not an issue anymore. I think there’s some frustration John Gibson didn’t get moved (from the player, the Ducks themselves and other clubs that have engaged) so that will kick up again in the off-season. Another Western GM said you can see the young Ducks starting to figure it out.

 

[MCB]

Not at all but I'm worried what the reaction will be amongst some posters if he doesn't sign here...

Lol originally my post ended with something about people just complaining to complain but I took it out.
I honestly wanted to hear from people who don't and know why.

Only at Cronin for misusing him and not making him worth what we were paying him.

That's a good point, I would hope if they were willing to go in on marner they would change coaches, but that would be the smart thing.... They don't always do what seems like the smart thing lol

I highly doubt he picks Anaheim to sign with, but it's nice to dream.

 

[2faded]

I feel like the first 2-3 of those 8 years we won’t have the horses, and statistically the last 2-3 years of that contract his skills will be deteriorating. That’s a pretty small sweet spot for 14M.

The team should be competing for a playoff spot next year. I don't think the first 2-3 years would be a waste. He would make the team better instantly. He might be the difference in playoffs or not.

I get that you're saying he's a pass first guy and we don't have the goal scorers so he wouldn't make much of a difference, but I just don't agree. Look at the difference in how the offense plays with and w/o Zegras. He's also a pass first player and isn't half the player Marner is. One player can make a huge difference, especially one of top players in the league.

But, if you're argument is about there only being a small window of the contract where the player is effective, you're really more arguing against signing any UFA, not just Marner. I definitely think UFA signings can make or break a rebuild and should be considered carefully.

 

[Ducks DVM]

The team should be competing for a playoff spot next year. I don't think the first 2-3 years would be a waste. He would make the team better instantly. He might be the difference in playoffs or not.

I get that you're saying he's a pass first guy and we don't have the goal scorers so he wouldn't make much of a difference, but I just don't agree. Look at the difference in how the offense plays with and w/o Zegras. He's also a pass first player and isn't half the player Marner is. One player can make a huge difference, especially one of top players in the league.

But, if you're argument is about there only being a small window of the contract where the player is effective, you're really more arguing against signing any UFA, not just Marner. I definitely think UFA signings can make or break a rebuild and should be considered carefully.

I will agree that he will make us better, but not 14M better IMO.

Contrast that with say 50-60G Matthews, for instance, and I think that goal production would absolutely make us 14M better. Those first 2-3 years don’t require waiting for players to improve, because we have plenty of guys that can feed him the puck. Yes, I know he’s not available.

Marner doesn’t address our biggest weakness, which is goal scoring. I just disagree with the entire “the passes would be better, so guys who are 20 goal guys will score much more” concept. I’m also not seeing a playoff team if Cronin is still the coach. We are a bad team with elite goaltending.

 

[2faded]

I will agree that he will make us better, but not 14M better IMO.

Contrast that with say 50-60G Matthews, for instance, and I think that goal production would absolutely make us 14M better. Those first 2-3 years don’t require waiting for players to improve, because we have plenty of guys that can feed him the puck. Yes, I know he’s not available.

Marner doesn’t address our biggest weakness, which is goal scoring. I just disagree with the entire “the passes would be better, so guys who are 20 goal guys will score much more” concept. I’m also not seeing a playoff team if Cronin is still the coach. We are a bad team with elite goaltending.

Yea, you may be right about that. And it also might not be the right time in the rebuild to make that commitment to that caliber of player either. But I'm also considering that when these players become available, the Ducks aren't near the top choice. When they are available and they do want to play for the Ducks, I think they may just need to take it when they can get it and hope for the best.

The only thing I'll disagree with is the "passes would be better" part. Elite players will just draw defenders to them and open up the ice for everyone. It isn't about just making better passes.

Agreed about Cronin. This is a BIG offseason for Verbeek. Personally, I think improving the bottom six will go a lot farther improving the team than adding Marner.

 

[tomd]

We need a whole separate Marner speculation thread...which I will immediately put on ignore.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Yea, you may be right about that. And it also might not be the right time in the rebuild to make that commitment to that caliber of player either. But I'm also considering that when these players become available, the Ducks aren't near the top choice. When they are available and they do want to play for the Ducks, I think they may just need to take it when they can get it and hope for the best.

The only thing I'll disagree with is the "passes would be better" part. Elite players will just draw defenders to them and open up the ice for everyone. It isn't about just making better passes.

Agreed about Cronin. This is a BIG offseason for Verbeek. Personally, I think improving the bottom six will go a lot farther improving the team than adding Marner.

I will just point out that our guys don’t seem to know what to do with open ice. They either fumble the pass or immediately look to get rid of it like it were a live grenade. I don’t think Marner’s skills would be utilized well here. And that’s not even including the negative impact of the Cronin factor.