GDT: 2025 Trade Deadline | Y’all Got Anymore of Them Trades?

[Chibby]

Edmonton gonna have a piss poor defensive defense and no starting goalie. Maybe LA will beat them this year.

 

[hockeyfish]

Have to wonder if Kane ends up back in SJ with this.

 

[Foppa2118]

Brother, how on earth does that cap work lmao

What exactly is the Avs cap situation? Looks like they've been accruing cap space lately since they're $3,349,000 under the cap.

So does that mean the players they can trade for can be on pro rated deals if they stay under the cap?

Cap Wages says they have $3,286,500 in deadline space with accrual and $9M in LTIR space with Landy and Poolman.

So if they dip into LTIR, does that mean they've got $12,286,000 plus whatever they ship out to spend, but for full cap hits, since they'll be into LTIR? @hockeyfish

 

[Chibby]

if the Avs can’t beat SJ tonight….

 

[hockeyfish]

What exactly is the Avs cap situation? Looks like they've been accruing cap space lately since they're $3,349,000 under the cap.

So does that mean the players they can trade for can be on pro rated deals if they stay under the cap?

Cap Wages says they have $3,286,500 in deadline space with accrual and $9M in LTIR space with Landy and Poolman.

So if they dip into LTIR, does that mean they've got $12,286,000 plus whatever they ship out to spend, but for full cap hits, since they'll be into LTIR? @hockeyfish

Since they have been using LTIR almost the entire season, they have not been accruing space. That 3.2 in space you see is about what they have to spend. But if they bring in someone, that person would bump someone off the roster, so really they have more like 4 million to spend. Can also run a leaner roster, and go a little higher. Also options for moving out a contract or LTIR one of the walking wounded.

 

[Grackle Party]

if the Avs can’t beat SJ tonight….

George has won 2 in row…

 

[dahrougem2]

Edmonton gonna have a piss poor defensive defense and no starting goalie. Maybe LA will beat them this year.

Walman is good defensively

 

[Foppa2118]

Since they have been using LTIR almost the entire season, they have not been accruing space. That 3.2 in space you see is about what they have to spend. But if they bring in someone, that person would bump someone off the roster, so really they have more like 4 million to spend. Can also run a leaner roster, and go a little higher. Also options for moving out a contract or LTIR one of the walking wounded.

But they're under the cap now right?

Cap Wages says they're using accrual for the $3,286,500 in deadline space number, which is slightly lower than how much they're under the cap. Perhaps because they were on LTIR before?

So they've got that plus the $9M in LTIR space to use, plus whoever they ship out, or nah?

 

[Avs91]

What exactly is the Avs cap situation? Looks like they've been accruing cap space lately since they're $3,349,000 under the cap.

So does that mean the players they can trade for can be on pro rated deals if they stay under the cap?

Cap Wages says they have $3,286,500 in deadline space with accrual and $9M in LTIR space with Landy and Poolman.

So if they dip into LTIR, does that mean they've got $12,286,000 plus whatever they ship out to spend, but for full cap hits, since they'll be into LTIR? @hockeyfish

Someone can give you a better breakdown, or correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure they have the 3.2 or whatever period. Hence why Landy could not be activated if he was ready without other moves because that 7 mil would put us over.

Also pro rated salary is only for what the owners actually ‘pay out’ to the player for remaining games, cap hits are AAV over the whole year regardless. Unless there’s retention (which I believe retention lasts for the remainder of the contract, as well).

 

[hockeyfish]

No,

But they're under the cap now right?

Cap Wages says they're using accrual for the $3,286,500 in deadline space number, which is slightly lower than how much they'r under the cap.

So they've got that plus the $9M in LTIR space to use, plus whoever they ship out, or nah?

No, they are well over the cap and into the LTIR pool.

 

[twostroke2023]

Edmonton getting a dman who can’t play defence when they’re goalie is trash might be the most Edmonton thing I’ve ever seen

 

[Avs_19]

I'm all for Marchand. Bring on the rat!

Gotta think Vegas would be competition there as well. There's the Cassidy connection and he's also played with guys like Reilly Smith in Boston and Mark Stone internationally.

 

[dahrougem2]

But they're under the cap now right?

Cap Wages says they're using accrual for the $3,286,500 in deadline space number, which is slightly lower than how much they're under the cap. Perhaps because they were on LTIR before?

So they've got that plus the $9M in LTIR space to use, plus whoever they ship out, or nah?

They have not been under the cap all season

 

[twostroke2023]

Walman is good defensively

His stats say otherwise, but we will see if being top pair on a trash team was the cause of that

 

[Avs_19]

Have to wonder if Kane ends up back in SJ with this.

After they terminated his contract and he filed for grievance and fought them for his money? That'd be one hell of a turn of events.

 

[hockeyfish]

By the way, CapWages has been very unreliable. Go take a look at our pick situation they claim we have. They also took nearly a month to take Ritchie off the roster. And their LTIR number is wrong.

PuckPedia is hard to look at, but way more accurate.

 

[Foppa2118]

No, they are well over the cap and into the LTIR pool.

What key aspect am I missing here then? When I add up their salaries plus retention on Georgiev, it comes out to the $84,651,000 cap hit number on Cap Wages.

Not including the $9M in LTIR from Landy and Poolman.

Does it have to to do with being into LTIR earlier in the season?

 

[dahrougem2]

His stats say otherwise, but we will see if being top pair on a trash team was the cause of that

Nobody looks good on SJ. Go look at his numbers in Detroit.

Walman is a legit top 4 guy.

 

[hockeyfish]

Why key aspect am I missing here then? When I add up their salaries plus retention on Georgiev, it comes out to the $84,651,000 cap hit number on Cap Wages.

Not including the $9M in LTIR from Landy and Poolman.

Does it have to to do with being into LTIR earlier in the season?

Are you including Landy and Poolmans cap hits in. They still count against the cap, but LTIR allows them to spend above the cap.

Also just posed it, but use PuckPedia for information. It’s way more accurate.

 

[Mooserton]

Avs like their old players except it's never the ones that I'd actually want. But it's time to change that. Mikko to the Avs E5.

 

[dahrougem2]

What key aspect am I missing here then? When I add up their salaries plus retention on Georgiev, it comes out to the $84,651,000 cap hit number on Cap Wages.

Not including the $9M in LTIR from Landy and Poolman.

Does it have to to do with being into LTIR earlier in the season?

Avs cap hit is 93.65M, then you factor in LTIR and they have just over 3M to work with

 

[Avs91]

Why key aspect am I missing here then? When I add up their salaries plus retention on Georgiev, it comes out to the $84,651,000 cap hit number on Cap Wages.

Not including the $9M in LTIR from Landy and Poolman.

Does it have to to do with being into LTIR earlier in the season?

LTIR is just salary not counting against our current active roster, allowing us to spend more. Let’s say our cap space is $3M even. Landy is $7M, but on LTIR. If we wanted to activate him, we could trade a $4M player, cap space then equals $7M. Activate Landy, cap space now equals $0.

 

[EdAVSfan]

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What key aspect am I missing here then? When I add up their salaries plus retention on Georgiev, it comes out to the $84,651,000 cap hit number on Cap Wages.

Not including the $9M in LTIR from Landy and Poolman.

Does it have to to do with being into LTIR earlier in the season?

The cap is 88.
The AVS are spending 84.6, meaning they have 3.4M in space.
But reality is, our cap limit is 97M, but then you have to add Poolmans and Laney’s salaries, so we’re at 93.6M spent.

Because we’re using LTIR, we don’t get to use prorated salaries if we make additions.

Simply put, we can only add 3.4M worth of salary (using a players full annual salary numbers).

 

[hockeyfish]

LTIR is just salary not counting against our current active roster, allowing us to spend more. Let’s say our cap space is $3M even. Landy is $7M, but on LTIR. If we wanted to activate him, we could trade a $4M player, cap space then equals $7M. Activate Landy, cap space now equals $0.

This isn’t how LTIR works. It’s a pool of cap space above the cap that you can spend into. The cap of players on LTIR still count against the cap. Also, the pool isn’t just the cap hit of the player. It’s the cap it of a player minus the cap space the team had when the player was placed on LTIR.

 

[Foppa2118]

By the way, CapWages has been very unreliable. Go take a look at our pick situation they claim we have. They also took nearly a month to take Ritchie off the roster. And their LTIR number is wrong.

PuckPedia is hard to look at, but way more accurate.

Ahhh, this may be the key aspect throwing me off then.

Cap Wages says they have a $84,651,000 "Cap Hit" with $3,349,000 in "Cap Space" and have $3,286,500 in "Deadline Space" using accrual with $9M in LTIR space.

Puck Pedia says they have $-5,522,690 in "Projected Cap Space" $3,286,500 in "Current Cap Space" and also $3,286,500 in "Deadline Cap Space."

Then Puck Pedia also has a bar graph that says they have a "Protected Cap Hit" of $93,522,690. Which works out with the $-5,522,690 number.

So $3,286,500 is what they have left in LTIR to spend I guess?

Yeah, I think I'm done with Cap Wages. I noticed some of their % of the cap on contracts were off earlier too.