WJC: 2025 Team USA Roster Talk

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

We really miss the Nazar line from last year.

 

[kingsfan28]

Depending on how the Canada game goes I think you have to consider Slyukynsky getting the net. This is a short tournament and Augustine has been shaky

Both Kings goalie prospects could face eachother : Slyukynsky vs George in that game

 

[MTU34]

Stiga-Hagens-Leonard
Perreault-Moore-Ziemer
Plante-Nelson-Eiserman
Willis-Terrance-Svoboda
Connelly

Buium-Hensler
Hutson-Fortescue
Fischer-Minnetian
Ralph

I’d consider giving Slyukynsky the net

 

[William H Bonney]

His body language at this tournament has been no different than his body language while at BC. Sure, he huffs and puffs/slouches, but I wouldn't read too much into it.

His role here is different than his role at BC. His effort here has been disappointing to say the least, best exemplified by the Finnish goal where he knocked it back into his own zone, then started whining for an offside instead of playing hard to win it back. It was not a surprise that they scored on that.

Two bad games from Augustine now

This is looks like U17 Augustine where his play was all over the place. If Hampton gets another game and plays well, it should be his net going forward.

 

[TLEH]

I feel like everyone is talking about our defensive structure but I feel like our offense has been part of the reason/the majority of the reason. We sustain no zone time.

 

[Joe Zanussi]

Interesting that Terrance took Eiserman spot in the last minute. Carle knows.

Tomorrow mormining, this will be a good loss…lots of correctable errors for sure…from Connely’s misplay to Cole’s penalty, etc etc etc

Like the Canada / Latvia game, this isn’t a death knell. New Years Eve will be the deciding factor.

 

[William H Bonney]

I feel like everyone is talking about our defensive structure but I feel like our offense has been part of the reason/the majority of the reason. We sustain no zone time.

I agree. The offense is the bigger problem. Too much dipsy doodle bullshit.

 

[Wieters]

His role here is different than his role at BC. His effort here has been disappointing to say the least, best exemplified by the Finnish goal where he knocked it back into his own zone, then started whining for an offside instead of playing hard to win it back. It was not a surprise that they scored on that.

It's true that he is the captain on the US team, which he isn't at BC. But this is how Leonard always carries himself. He is always jawing with refs, the other teams, fans, etc. And he will make a handful of boneheaded decisions. This is the Ryan Leonard experience at this stage of his career.

 

[William H Bonney]

It's true that he is the captain on the US team, which he isn't at BC. But this is how Leonard always carries himself. He is always jawing with refs, the other teams, fans, etc. And he will make a handful of boneheaded decisions. This is the Ryan Leonard experience at this stage of his career.

I'm well aware. I've been watching Leonard for 4 years. It doesn't excuse him failing so far as the leader of this team.

It's not a surprise this has been a wildly undisciplined team through three games when the captain is setting the example that it's acceptable.

 

[Joe Zanussi]

I wish I could unremember Mr Bonneys comment about Moore being much production that leads to nothing. I used to love Oliver….now I know the truth. Lol

 

[Wieters]

I'm well aware. I've been watching Leonard for 4 years. It doesn't excuse him failing so far as the leader of this team.

Then I'm not sure why you're expecting the kid to act any different than he normally does simply because you personally think he should be acting in some abstract way that fits your ideal. This is who he is.

And as a general heuristic, I think playing body language doctor is folly. We're not in the locker room/on the ice. And those who are don't appear to have any complaints.

 

[TLEH]

I wish I could unremember Mr Bonneys comment about Moore being much production that leads to nothing. I used to love Oliver….now I know the truth. Lol

On the Hawks board I've been low on Moore for a while. Tough crowd. Still think he can be a Cogs type that helps you win but he's no offense, all effort.

 

[William H Bonney]

Then I'm not sure why you're expecting the kid to act any different than he normally does simply because you personally think he should be acting in some abstract way that fits your ideal. This is who he is.

And as a general heuristic, I think playing body language doctor is folly. We're not in the locker room/on the ice. And those who are don't appear to have any complaints.

I already told you why. Because he's in a different role this tournament. Different roles have different expectations. It'd be fair to say that maybe he shouldn't have been given the role he has, but he has it. And he's not showing up.

Give me a break. Just because the staff/players aren't throwing him under the bus doesn't mean they don't have any complaints. That's a sillier heuristic than reading into the on-ice body language of a team's captain.

 

[MichaelFarrell]

Interesting that Terrance took Eiserman spot in the last minute. Carle knows.

Tomorrow mormining, this will be a good loss…lots of correctable errors for sure…from Connely’s misplay to Cole’s penalty, etc etc etc

Like the Canada / Latvia game, this isn’t a death knell. New Years Eve will be the deciding factor.

Eiserman had some really rough moments today. Canada hasn’t looked too impressive this tournament so maybe we can still beat them, but I wouldn’t want to play Sweden if it comes to that. Not with their blueline.

Getting outplayed by Finland should be a huge wake up call for the US. Finland actually outshot and outplayed us. I’d love to know the last time they got this many shots over a top team at this tournament.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Liked the way Augustine played in the final 2 PKs. But he most definitely needs to tighten his game up.

 

[William H Bonney]

I wish I could unremember Mr Bonneys comment about Moore being much production that leads to nothing. I used to love Oliver….now I know the truth. Lol

To be fair I haven't hated his game as I'm used to it, as I long stopped falling for the false hope it was going to lead to offensive success. If our better players were showing some of his effort we wouldn't look lifeless as a team.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Eiserman had some really rough moments today. Canada hasn’t looked too impressive this tournament so maybe we can still beat them, but I wouldn’t want to play Sweden if it comes to that. Not with their blueline.

Getting outplayed by Finland should be a huge wake up call for the US. Finland actually outshot and outplayed us. I’d love to know the last time they got this many shots over a top team at this tournament.

Honestly Sweden hasn't looked overly impressive either. All three of the top teams seem to have some serious kinks to work out at this point. Meanwhile the Czechs are running like a well oiled machine lol

 

[William H Bonney]

Eiserman had some really rough moments today. Canada hasn’t looked too impressive this tournament so maybe we can still beat them, but I wouldn’t want to play Sweden if it comes to that. Not with their blueline.

Getting outplayed by Finland should be a huge wake up call for the US. Finland actually outshot and outplayed us. I’d love to know the last time they got this many shots over a top team at this tournament.

This Finnish team is very short on skill, but they outworked the US in every facet. More hustle, more fire, more grit, more attention to detail, more commitment to the system. And they got the results because of it. Hopefully to your point that this can serve as a wakeup call for the team, because on talent this should have been a very lopsided game on the stat sheet.

 

[Wieters]

Give me a break. Just because the staff/players aren't throwing him under the bus doesn't mean they don't have any complaints. That's a sillier heuristic than reading into the on-ice body language of a team's captain.

Not only are they not throwing him under the bus, they quite literally chose him to be their captain. Meaning that the people who know him and interact with him decided that he should be their leader. And Leonard is acting no differently now that he normally does, so it's not like anything has changed since then. I'm going to take their opinion on his leadership abilities at face value and not worry too much about how someone who does not know him internalizes his body language based only on the shots that the TV camera decides to show us while he is on the ice.

If you want to criticize his on-ice play/decisions, then fine. But calling out a kid's character and saying he's failing as a leader is uncalled for and uninformed.

 

[William H Bonney]

Not only are they not throwing him under the bus, they quite literally chose him to be their captain. Meaning that the people who know him and interact with him decided that he should be their leader. And Leonard is acting no differently now that he normally does, so it's not like anything has changed since then. I'm going to take their opinion on his leadership abilities at face value and not worry too much about how someone who does not know him internalizes his body language based only on the shots that the TV camera decides to show us while he is on the ice.

If you want to criticize his on-ice play/decisions, then fine. But calling out a kid's character and saying he's failing as a leader is uncalled for and uninformed.

You are wildly naive if your expectation is that his team and coaches would throw him under the bus if they thought he was underperforming and since they're not, all is well with his performance thus far.

I didn't call out his character, I called out his body language. Those aren't synonymous. When your captain and leader knocks a puck himself back into your defensive zone to the opposition, doesn't know that doesn't make the opposition offside, and then proceeds to lollygag on defense throwing his hands up and yelling at the referees instead of helping his team recover from his turnover only for the opposition to score on the play, yes he's failing his expectations as the leader of the team.

 

[Joe Zanussi]

To be fair I haven't hated his game as I'm used to it, as I long stopped falling for the false hope it was going to lead to offensive success. If our better players were showing some of his effort we wouldn't look lifeless as a team.

Just to be clear. I wasn’t criticizing….i was joking

 

[William H Bonney]

Just to be clear. I wasn’t criticizing….i was joking

As long as you tell Blackhawk fans he's destined to be a top 6 NHL center you're safe.

 

[William H Bonney]

Honestly Sweden hasn't looked overly impressive either. All three of the top teams seem to have some serious kinks to work out at this point. Meanwhile the Czechs are running like a well oiled machine lol

It'd be cool to see Czechia finally break through again for gold.

 

[Wieters]

You are wildly naive if your expectation is that his team and coaches would throw him under the bus if they thought he was underperforming and since they're not, all is well with his performance thus far.

I didn't call out his character, I called out his body language. Those aren't synonymous. When your captain and leader knocks a puck himself back into your defensive zone to the opposition, doesn't know that doesn't make the opposition offside, and then proceeds to lollygag on defense throwing his hands up and yelling at the referees instead of helping his team recover from his turnover only for the opposition to score on the play, yes he's failing his expectations as the leader of the team.

If there were questions about Leonard's leadership, then would his teammates/coaches elect him to be their leader? Has anything about Leonard suddenly changed since they chose him to be captain?

If the answer to both of those questions is no, then you're suggesting that your personal evaluation of his "body language" trumps what the team has communicated with their decision to tap him. Turning that around and calling someone else wildly naive while doing that is heroic levels of projection.

This is a message board, so you're entitled to engage in posting conjecture that verges on slander. But I'm also entitled to call it out, and I feel compelled to do so when it's directed toward a teenager who turned down signing an ELC by his own admission to represent his country in an effort to repeat at this very tournament.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Looks like a wide open tournament this year.