WJC: 2025 Team Canada Roster Talk

bobber

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We have hammered 100 nails in this coffin. Another 50 isn't doing anything. The Canadian squad picked just wasn't that talented this year. Plain and simple. HC screwed the pooch with the wrong plan. They need to take a hard look in the mirror and reconsider bringing some of the same players back next year. There are 9 eligible. These players obviously weren't all world class juniors.
 
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No I wanted to establish that you agree that a terrible coach riding players he shouldnt (because he left better players at home) is not the players fault in any way.

Dave Cameron deserves credit for the success of this team, not Easton Cowan's single 20 minute game where they were trying to score at all costs.

"Long story short, playing Cowan a ton = loss."

It's literally just about being a maple leaf to you though :laugh:
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We have hammered 100 nails in this coffin. Another 50 isn't doing anything. The Canadian squad picked just wasn't that talented this year. Plain and simple. HC screwed the pooch with the wrong plan. They need to take a hard look in the mirror and reconsider bringing some of the same players back next year. There are 9 eligible. These players obviously weren't all world class juniors.
"Canadian squad wasn't that good"

AND ....they came in cocky.

Bad combo.
 
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Wood-Hage-Sennecke
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Selection Criteria-
1.Bolded- All remaining eligible 1st rounders from the last two drafts (except Letourneau) (
2. Underlined- Sort WHL and OHL by points, taking handedness and position into account (leaving Dupont at home)

Italicized are 19 year olds.
 

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While this team could have done better with a better coach , there was too much talent left at home . They could have brought 4 first lines and instead brought role players . In a short tournament you need as much talent as possible . You don’t know who’s gonna be hot or cold .
Always thought Canada should just load up and overwhelm the other teams with talent. Key is finding talent that can actually defend and build some chemistry.
 

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Iginla was not an option. Had surgery and gone for thé season.

Odd take on Cowan and Yager, especially Yager who was the best forward the last 2 games.
Iginla only had surgery after he found out he wasn’t being selected.

If Cowan and Yager were so good, why couldn’t they score? They were supposed to be leaders offensively and then weren’t. I’m pretty confident in what I’ve seen from them that they simply don’t have the scoring pop to be big time offensive players on a Team Canada.
 
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From a business perspective I understand their answers. When you make decisions you don't have benefit of hindsight.

Although, you can show deference and say. "When you look at the result, you can certainly see there were very skilled players left off the team, and we can't know whether they would have changed things. But we evaluate our performance as management as well, and if you don't have the proper result, you have to take a look at your process, and we will take some time to do that."
 

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Wood-Hage-Sennecke
Cristall-Misa-Greentree
Barlow-Boisvert-Parascak

Lardis-O'Rielly-Vanacker

Mews-Parekh
Smith-Yakemchuk
Chadwick- Danford
Marelli

Selection Criteria-
1.Bolded- All remaining eligible 1st rounders from the last two drafts (except Letourneau) (
2. Underlined- Sort WHL and OHL by points, taking handedness and position into account (leaving Dupont at home)

Italicized are 19 year olds.
Catton-Hage-Sennecke
Cristall-Misa-Martone
Iginla-McKenna-Luchanko
Wood-Lindstrom-Greentree
McQueen

Schaefer-Danford
Mews-Parekh
Dickenson-Yakemchuk
Dupont

George
Ivankovic

That is without doing much research. (I apolgize for any errors)
 
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The other problem we must keep in mind is how long HC has gotten away with this. They snub high end draft picks EVERY year. But their mistakes have been masked in gold and silver medals. It won't continue though, there's too much parity now. Weaker talent teams are developing excellent team systems, and the mid to upper teams are getting more and more skilled.

So in saying all that it explains those clips above me. They're chalking it up to "these things happen", and just bad luck. We won't see change until this underperformance continues beyond a 2 year losing streak.
 

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I don't think it makes sense to build a "grind them out, suffocate them with defense, don't let them score, break their will" kind of team for a Junior tournament like that. Players just aren't as disciplined as they will be when they are NHLers in their primes.
 

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Iginla only had surgery after he found out he wasn’t being selected.

If Cowan and Yager were so good, why couldn’t they score? They were supposed to be leaders offensively and then weren’t. I’m pretty confident in what I’ve seen from them that they simply don’t have the scoring pop to be big time offensive players on a Team Canada.
You dont know that Iginla only had surgery because he was not selected. I understood he was not selected because he was having surgery.

As for the lack of offense, it was a team wide problem, right? Cowan and Yager led the team with a measley 3 points each. Other offensive stars on the team did even less.

Also, consider Yager did not play a primary offensive role on the team. He was one of the skill guys asked to play a defensive role.
 
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You dont know that Iginla only had surgery because he was not selected. I understood he was not selected because he was having surgery.

As for the lack of offense, it was a team wide problem, right? Cowan and Yager led the team with a measley 3 points each. Other offensive stars on the team did even less.

Also, consider Yager did not play a primary offensive role on the team. He was one of the skill guys asked to play a defensive role.
In Calgary streets saying he only chose surgery after being told he wasn't selected, fwiw
 
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Anholt said they “wanted to have a back end that could really skate and defend with their legs and I think we proved that that was correct.”


“You create a team that you fit in different roles and to be successful you need to do that,” Anholt said. “I don’t think that just looking at stats and bringing the most goals or the most assists, I don’t think that, that really does it. I think you have to look at character, you have to look at how they compete in any situation and I think we were comfortable with the group.”


I don’t even know what to say….. this has to be trolling at this point
 

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You dont know that Iginla only had surgery because he was not selected. I understood he was not selected because he was having surgery.

As for the lack of offense, it was a team wide problem, right? Cowan and Yager led the team with a measley 3 points each. Other offensive stars on the team did even less.

Also, consider Yager did not play a primary offensive role on the team. He was one of the skill guys asked to play a defensive role.
Never generated much for being on the ice 75% of the time.
 

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You dont know that Iginla only had surgery because he was not selected. I understood he was not selected because he was having surgery.

As for the lack of offense, it was a team wide problem, right? Cowan and Yager led the team with a measley 3 points each. Other offensive stars on the team did even less.

Also, consider Yager did not play a primary offensive role on the team. He was one of the skill guys asked to play a defensive role.
Pretty sure it was posted in one of these threads from an authoritative source that Iginla decided for surgery once he was told he didn’t make it.

As for Yager, the “defensive role” excuse I don’t buy. Danny Nelson for the USA is playing a shutdown role and has 4+1=5 points. And Yager was drafted higher and has more pedigree. He simply didn’t play well enough and probably isn’t suited for a top 6 role on Team Canada. Even third line seems a little iffy to me.

I don’t blame young players as much who struggled to score. And I’d argue that players like McKenna and Catton weren’t that bad and simply had bad puck luck. They might’ve scored even less, but arguably were better. And maybe they would’ve actually done really well if they had a mandate from the start of the tournament that they were going to be the guys instead of the mediocre 19 year old leaders who didn’t deliver.
 

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Baffling but unsurprising.

The man, who has won nothing, is a f***ing moron. That's all there really is to it. He's a moron.

Looks like they have learned absolutely nothing and nothing will change next year


I've changed my mind from before, Murray can go. Fired, retired, I don't really care. But this is not acceptable.
 
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Anholt said they “wanted to have a back end that could really skate and defend with their legs and I think we proved that that was correct.”


“You create a team that you fit in different roles and to be successful you need to do that,” Anholt said. “I don’t think that just looking at stats and bringing the most goals or the most assists, I don’t think that, that really does it. I think you have to look at character, you have to look at how they compete in any situation and I think we were comfortable with the group.”


I don’t even know what to say….. this has to be trolling at this point
That whole article is really a must read. A lot of defending Cameron, blaming the refs, blaming Schaefer's injury, Salmond even noting that it sounds like they are making excuses, Anholt indicating his belief that practice doesn't improve chemistry and bringing better offensive players doesn't lead to more goals. At least Salmond admits that he hired the management and staff, so the head that needs to roll first is obvious.

Scott Wheeler does what TSN refuses and asks the reasonable tough questions that should be asked, and reports on it rather than joining in the party line.
 

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Iginla only had surgery after he found out he wasn’t being selected.

If Cowan and Yager were so good, why couldn’t they score? They were supposed to be leaders offensively and then weren’t. I’m pretty confident in what I’ve seen from them that they simply don’t have the scoring pop to be big time offensive players on a Team Canada.
Cowan was a good choice for team Canada this year, a better choice than many forwards that were picked anyways. The problem was him playing the wrong role, and that's all on Cameron.
Cowan would've been great on a 3rd line with a team full of Sennecke, Hage, Greentree, Cristall, Catton, etc..
I'm a Habs fan btw so that's not a homer call.
 
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Pretty sure it was posted in one of these threads from an authoritative source that Iginla decided for surgery once he was told he didn’t make it.

As for Yager, the “defensive role” excuse I don’t buy. Danny Nelson for the USA is playing a shutdown role and has 4+1=5 points. And Yager was drafted higher and has more pedigree. He simply didn’t play well enough and probably isn’t suited for a top 6 role on Team Canada. Even third line seems a little iffy to me.

I don’t blame young players as much who struggled to score. And I’d argue that players like McKenna and Catton weren’t that bad and simply had bad puck luck. They might’ve scored even less, but arguably were better. And maybe they would’ve actually done really well if they had a mandate from the start of the tournament that they were going to be the guys instead of the mediocre 19 year old leaders who didn’t deliver.
Maybe Iginla did opt for surgery after but since he needed season ending hip surgery he probably should not have been selected.

Yager was very good in the defensive role. Best in the tournament on faceoffs. And still tied for the team lead in points (as sad as that is). He was the third line C not the 2nd. His minutes were up because he was on the PK and the team had a lot of penalties.

Not sure how you can give the young stars a pass but be upset that 3 or 4 or 5 more young guys were not on the roster.
 

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Anholt said they “wanted to have a back end that could really skate and defend with their legs and I think we proved that that was correct.”


“You create a team that you fit in different roles and to be successful you need to do that,” Anholt said. “I don’t think that just looking at stats and bringing the most goals or the most assists, I don’t think that, that really does it. I think you have to look at character, you have to look at how they compete in any situation and I think we were comfortable with the group.”


I don’t even know what to say….. this has to be trolling at this point

lol they look at "character" and "how they compete", ultimately picked a team that was

1. too tired to practice
2. the most undisciplined team of the tournament
3. never fixed its discipline issues despite having multiple chances to
4. coach on record saying that it's up to the players to fix their discipline issues
and
4. ultimately lost the game on a game misconduct, and LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME undisciplined penalty 2 PERIODS LATER WITH 2 MINUTES LEFT IN THE GAME


are we living in a simulation????? it must be a parody at this point
 

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