WJC: 2025 Team Canada Roster Talk

Magic 8 Ball

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If you took the top team in the CHL and filled the foreign players spots with players who played the same system as that team, you would have had a Canadian team in the finals.

Too many top players this year that couldn't gel as a team.
 

BfantZ

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While this team could have done better with a better coach , there was too much talent left at home . They could have brought 4 first lines and instead brought role players . In a short tournament you need as much talent as possible . You don’t know who’s gonna be hot or cold .
 
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Well, all the pre-tournament criticism about the roster construction ended up being right on the nose. To me, it feels quite arrogant and a poor bet to select a team that you think will win by out-working other teams, especially in a short tournament like this nowadays.

As proven by the Latvia game, there is no shortage of good hockey players in other countries who are willing to dig down and do what it takes to win, and Canadian hockey culture is not so omnipotent that you can expect to win based on grit and effort alone.

The edge that Canada still has, generally speaking, is having more star power to select from than other teams. More scoring depth. Canada should be aiming to send 4 1st lines that never stop attacking and will punish you for every turnover rather than trying to select a guy who fits the typical 4th line role.

I suspect that Hockey Canada is so entrenched that they won't change their direction, however. We'll probably run a similar team back next year, so hopefully McKenna is ready to carry the load.
 

BfantZ

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Well, all the pre-tournament criticism about the roster construction ended up being right on the nose. To me, it feels quite arrogant and a poor bet to select a team that you think will win by out-working other teams, especially in a short tournament like this nowadays.

As proven by the Latvia game, there is no shortage of good hockey players in other countries who are willing to dig down and do what it takes to win, and Canadian hockey culture is not so omnipotent that you can expect to win based on grit and effort alone.

The edge that Canada still has, generally speaking, is having more star power to select from than other teams. More scoring depth. Canada should be aiming to send 4 1st lines that never stop attacking and will punish you for every turnover rather than trying to select a guy who fits the typical 4th line role.

I suspect that Hockey Canada is so entrenched that they won't change their direction, however. We'll probably run a similar team back next year, so hopefully McKenna is ready to carry the load.
To leave some of the best players in the chl off the team is bad karma and hockey Canada deserved the L.
 

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I think there's a lot of ego at the coaching/management level. A need to demonstrate that they can do things better/smarter. Its only way to explain bring 3/5's of one of Junior hockey's best powerplays and think that your take on where they should deploy is better. To take the best role players, rather than the best players who can also play roles. It honestly looked like he was trying to set himself up as Brent Sutter/Craig Hartsburg 2.0 but completely forgot that dynasty was started by Sutter not galaxybraining the all-start team he was gifted in 05.

Wood-Ritchie-Senneke
Misa/Cristall-Catton-Mckenna
Rehkopf-Yager-Cowan
Beaudoin-Boisvert-Hage/Nadeau
Luchanko

best offensive players - winner based on camp performance/chemistry
best offensive players that can also pk well and bring some D value

L1- Power on Power offense
L2- sheltered/ take advantage of matchups offense
L3- veteran two-way secondary offense
L4- Energy secondary offense

That bottom 6 has as much firepower as the top 6 we brought, while being not much (if any) worse defensively than the bottom 6 we actually brought. The top 6 is built to shoot out the lights.
 
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lakai17

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While this team could have done better with a better coach , there was too much talent left at home . They could have brought 4 first lines and instead brought role players . In a short tournament you need as much talent as possible . You don’t know who’s gonna be hot or cold .

Quite the mixed bag
 

lakai17

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Usually canada has stronger depth on offense. This tournament they should have rolled heavier on the top 6 or the top 3 lines. Penalties never helped that case either
 

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i wonder if nhl teams that draft some of these players have a negative effect on the players' ability to have success in this type of tournament. Take Cowan, for instance - his undisciplined and hero-ball playstyle definitely negatively affected the teams ability to compete despite his (empty calorie) production. It may be a chicken or egg thing but perhaps Leaf's draft picks receive media and fan attention such that they feel they have to do more, show more, and the natural bias towards them shown by HC organizationally may put too much pressure on them.

Cowan should have been flourishing in a depth role, rather than floundering in a feature role. It's just too much to expect a limited player to contribute so centrally - especially after the preponderance of pressure/ attention he's received from his draft team and media/fans. Id suggest leaving Leafs prospects off the WJC canada roster entirely. probably better for them in the long run - when they succeed the expectation becomes even more inordinate and when they fail, like Cowan here, the vitriol is just as problematic.
 
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I'm going to save my precise criticism of this team as my thoughts are well known. The below is not a knee jerk based on the results of this tournament; this is simply my sincere thoughts after observing Hockey Canada's decision-making with respect to international play at all levels the last decade or so.

1. It starts at the U-17 level. I don't care if two Canadian teams can make it to the finals of the U-17 like this year - stop taking more than one team to this tournament. There are plenty of ways to evaluate talent and every other nation does this without sending multiple teams to tournaments (I get Canada often has more depth). European teams (and the USA) at the U-20 level have a lot more experience playing together as their core players often play U-17, U-18, U-20 and at various international competitions each year (that Canada does not take part in). Pick the best 23 U-17 Canadian players for this competition and start playing them together at this level.

2. Stop it with the "graduated" nonsense at the U-18/Hlinka level. No other nation would handcuff themselves by refusing to roster one of their best players simply because they have already played in a U-20 tournament. Again, relative to other nations, Canadian U-20 players play together far less. Insert these players into the U-18 so they can get even more familiarly with international competition and build chemistry with future linemates. Furthermore, no player should be given "exempt" status and separated from the age group based on the fact they've played in a higher level competition once before. It sends a message of entitlement.

3. Quit making firm U-20 roster decisions based on summer hockey. Some of these kids are banged up, tired after a long year, or simply aren't in game shape after several weeks away from the rink. How many times have we heard McKenzie, Wheeler, Pronman, etc. say that Hockey Canada was/wasn't enamored with a player at the summer camp and this cemented their view of the player.

4. As others have suggested, bring back a true selection camp process. Enough with the "locks" and "frontrunners" before camp has even started. How many times in the last several years have we seen some of these guys become some of the least impactful players for Canada once the tournament begins. There are very few opportunities to truly evaluate these players on the same sheet of ice - this process needs to mean more.

5. The outdated approach to roster construction cannot be overstated. I saw someone post on X that Hockey Canada builds rosters like they are confined to a salary cap, and I couldn't agree more. Gone are the days where you need two lines of dedicated role players and mammoth shutdown defenceman. IIHF standards and officiating has essentially taken physical play out of the equation, and you certainly can't clutch and grab like Marc Staal and Ryan Parent anymore. We aren't going to physically run teams out of the rink or intimidate them. You win these tournaments now with talent, speed, skill and transition, something Hockey Canada has seriously overlooked. Guys like Cole Hutson, who may not be an elite defender but is an elite play driver, are immensely more valuable in today's international game than someone like Andrew Gibson. Prioritize skill and let the niche roles sort themselves out.

6. Related to point 5, please, for the love of God, stop with the anti-NCAA bias. NCAA hockey is some of the most fast-paced, challenging hockey that a U-20 player can play. Year after year I see American players that make plays at lightning speed and with urgency because the NCAA game has conditioned them to play that way. There is far more time and space in the CHL, and you can see the difference when we play the USA. Michael Hage is one of the best forwards in the NCAA this year (even on par with some of the top Americans) and he was one of the best in the USHL last year, and in neither case did he receive consideration from Hockey Canada for no reason other than he chose the "wrong" league. I'm hoping the increased integration of the CHL-NCAA due to the recent rule changes will force Hockey Canada's hand here.

7. I love the idea of a dedicated U-20 coach suggested by a poster above for the same reasons.

There was a time when Hockey Canada could defend its decisions and approach because it was truly the gold standard, but other nations have adapted and innovated and this is no longer the case. The cliche "Canadian way" of constructing international teams simply has to stop because it is no longer viable at the U-20 level.
You got it nailed.
Congratulations
 

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i wonder if nhl teams that draft some of these players have a negative effect on the players' ability to have success in this type of tournament. Take Cowan, for instance - his undisciplined and hero-ball playstyle definitely negatively affected the teams ability to compete despite his (empty calorie) production. It may be a chicken or egg thing but perhaps Leaf's draft picks receive media and fan attention such that they feel they have to do more, show more, and the natural bias towards them shown by HC organizationally may put too much pressure on them.

Cowan should have been flourishing in a depth role, rather than floundering in a feature role. It's just too much to expect a limited player to contribute so centrally - especially after the preponderance of pressure/ attention he's received from his draft team and media/fans. Id suggest leaving Leafs prospects off the WJC canada roster entirely. probably better for them in the long run - when they succeed the expectation becomes even more inordinate and when they fail, like Cowan here, the vitriol is just as problematic.
or Cowan just ain't that good.
 

Namikaze Minato

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You’re really going to base the decisions of Dave Cameron as who deserves the most ice time :laugh:

The same guy who had Bonk as the PP quarterback?
No I wanted to establish that you agree that a terrible coach riding players he shouldnt (because he left better players at home) is not the players fault in any way.

Dave Cameron deserves credit for the success of this team, not Easton Cowan's single 20 minute game where they were trying to score at all costs.

"Long story short, playing Cowan a ton = loss."

It's literally just about being a maple leaf to you though :laugh:
 
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JimmyApples

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Hockey Canada will end up blaming the refs (and our goalie), and not roster selection.
Carter George is actually probably one of the best WJC Canadian goaltending prospects we’ve had in the last decade, which is sad. But excited he has another year of eligibility.

What’s the rationale for Misa and Sennecke not being there? Can you imagine any other country leaving those kinda guys at home?
 
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Baffling but unsurprising.


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There is a reason Peter Anholt has not won a damn thing during his 40 years in the game. It's actually quite unbelievable the total lack of success he has had given the countless opportunities handed to him. It's all about who you know in this game unfortunately.
 

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No I wanted to establish that you agree that a terrible coach riding players he shouldnt (because he left better players at home) is not the players fault in any way.

Dave Cameron deserves credit for the success of this team, not Easton Cowan's single 20 minute game where they were trying to score at all costs.

"Long story short, playing Cowan a ton = loss."

It's literally just about being a maple leaf to you though :laugh:
Yes, playing Cowan a ton led to very little offense generated because plays died on his stick.

Thats not Cowans fault that’s the coaches fault, because Cowan just isn’t a very great offensive player.
 
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