WJC: 2025 Team Canada Roster Talk

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Cowan's penalty was the worst of the bunch, but the way this roster is constructed, he's too important to sit out for an elimination game. Need him to deliver.

Pinelli out, Rehkopf stapled to the bench and Martone back in - I'm game for that.
Even setting aside the stupid penalty, Cowan has been a detriment to the Ritchie line. I’d put Yager or even Luchanko, who’s got some pop in his step, up with Ritchie. Cowan to the bottom 6.

One thing that bugs me is the lack of hustle in getting out of the zone for delayed offsides…anyone else notice that?
 

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I'd say it's pretty much the opposite and that USA will likely be dropping its national team development model soon enough because it's big enough to not need it anymore. Canada has too many good players and has a junior league that is too strong for that approach to make sense, and that's true now for USA too. It does give a bit of an artificial boost to junior level results but it is not something Canada should pursue. There is a lot wrong here really. Canada has won 3 of the last 5 tournaments, so I don't think we can say that the strategy is not working anymore. This is also a poor year to use as evidence in the claim that other countries have passed Canada. Canada's player pool for this tournament was much better than that of any other country if we want to discuss actual development. Due to the NHL taking players and boneheaded roster decisions the team doesn't indicate that, but this team also isn't so mediocre because the talent is inferior. The biggest problem in terms of the on ice results is how the team is being coached, and no national development team is going to fix Dave Cameron.

There are improvements Canada can make to development, absolutely. Number one would be fixing how goaltenders are developed, though that is the last problem the team has this year.
I have been advocating for a national team approach but politics and money would end up being a major hurdle.
I am not giving Up on this team yet .
The pressure and hype surrounding these guys is enormous.j
Does anyone think the effort is not there.
Special teams win or lose tournaments.
Chemistry is more than a word. Coaching cannot be handed out like candy. Hire a national coach Staff and start working on player selections and scouting
 

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haven’t been paying too much attention to the draft or the players at the WJC selections in the past few years. So one of our players made the team so I decided to watch.

Soooo…. We played ok… penalties costed us…. But I’m looking at stats…. Our top forward for team Canada…. Out of all the players we could have selected under the age of 20… in Canada….a is a guy drafted 27th overall last year…….

You’re telling me he is the best Canada’s got to offer under the age of 20…. Meanwhile…
We scored one against the Americans… 2 against f in Latvia…..


Somehow this guy doens’t make team Canada

Beckett Sennecke Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com … he was a top 3 pick in the 2024 draft…. Ok….. he doesnt’ make the team… we better have a f in good team… we are team Canada…
but he doesn’t Easton Clownan gets the most ice time among fowards…


Desperate for offense … this guy also somehow left off the team..https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=241126

Desperate for offense … we also sat out 4 top 10 drafted prospects from the 2024 draft? Let me tell you this…. These guys under any other nationality would have made their national teams. Only Canada is stupid enough to screw up putting together a good team Canada, with so much skill we actually have.

If we lose, don’t be surprised. This is 2024 happening all over again.
 

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The Canadian players missed a couple of yrs of development, but even so, they have to get back their roots and play much tougher hockey.
 

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The biggest rival of Team Canada is...........................Hockey Canada. And its that way every year. There is a laundry list of top notch players that either got cut or didn't even get asked to play for Team Canada in this tournament's history. And granted that will happen with the talent pool Canada has, but when you lose it is much more pronounced. With this team in 2025 you can just see how much better certain players likely would have been had they been given the chance.
 

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All this hand-wringing is dumb. Canada is just on a poor run of luck, which can happen to any team in a short tournament.

There is only one thing that matters to the losses: Canada currently has a shooting percentage of <6% despite leading the tournament in shots. The last three years they have been at 14%. USA, Sweden, and Czechia are all in the 14-20% range. Even if Canada iced a roster with only defensemen, we would expect them to score on more than 6% of shots at this level. It isn't as though they are just not generating good chances either. I don't know if anyone is calculating expected goals for this tournament, but I would suspect Canada are underperforming theirs by at least 10 goals. This has nothing to do with the shooting talent of their forwards, who are all good goal scorers for their clubs.

Do you think the Czech players are happy to be facing Canada instead of Finland? The shooting percentage regression isn't guaranteed over the remaining 1-3 games, but if it arrives in time they will win the tournament.
 

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I have been advocating for a national team approach but politics and money would end up being a major hurdle.
I am not giving Up on this team yet .
The pressure and hype surrounding these guys is enormous.j
Does anyone think the effort is not there.
Special teams win or lose tournaments.
Chemistry is more than a word. Coaching cannot be handed out like candy. Hire a national coach Staff and start working on player selections and scouting
There is money for a national development program, but there is no real benefit to doing it. There is also not a good way to integrate such a team into a league. Improvements can be made but that's not it. As far as a national team coach, I don't like the idea. Canada could end up with a Spott, a Lowry, Tim Hunter, a Letang, even Cameron in that role for years and that is a problem. They just need to do a better job selecting coaches. A hint would be to stick to coaches who have won at the junior level, or NCAA I suppose.

Canada having a dud 2025 WJC team thus far is not indicative of a development problem. There is a roster construction and coaching problem, and Canada's trump cards are not there to bail the team out.

Realistically Hockey Canada executives should be, right now, begging Dale Hunter or Gardiner MacDougall to coach the 2026 team. I wouldn't bet on that happening though.
 
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IMHO, the whole development program model needs to change. Something like a dedicated national team development program like the US or other countries have. Of course, that would hurt major junior hockey, and who's going to pay for it? But pulling kids out of junior, and throwing a Canadian jersey on them, isn't working any more. From a US perspective, most of our players are coming from the NCAA, which is a better, more mature league; after they play junior/national development. Canada has lost the last 6/8 match ups to the US? That's not a fluke.

No one doubts Canadian talent, they will always be in the mix, but others countries have caught up, and in some ways, past them. Canada sort of reminds me of Brazil in soccer. Insane talent, but how to get them to play as a team?

Just an American perspective. Feel free to correct me. I'm only an older casual fan that doesn't really follow sports any more, but this is always a fun tournament to watch. Peace, Happy New Year.

One of the big problems right now are CHL teams losing their stars for too many games, so HC compresses the training camp and evaluations a bit too much to appease their league teams.

I think what they need, is a slight restructure of junior hockey. Allow the CHL and Jr leagues to have a good 3 week break for December. That gives kids time to go home for the holidays (and take exams) or go to tournaments like the World Juniors without disrupting the regular schedule so much. Also gives the national team more time to practice and evaluate before the WJC starts. Give the kids an extra week or two to come together as a group. That would probably do more to help than making a national team.
 

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All this hand-wringing is dumb. Canada is just on a poor run of luck, which can happen to any team in a short tournament.

There is only one thing that matters to the losses: Canada currently has a shooting percentage of <6% despite leading the tournament in shots. The last three years they have been at 14%. USA, Sweden, and Czechia are all in the 14-20% range. Even if Canada iced a roster with only defensemen, we would expect them to score on more than 6% of shots at this level. It isn't as though they are just not generating good chances either. I don't know if anyone is calculating expected goals for this tournament, but I would suspect Canada are underperforming theirs by at least 10 goals. This has nothing to do with the shooting talent of their forwards, who are all good goal scorers for their clubs.

Do you think the Czech players are happy to be facing Canada instead of Finland? The shooting percentage regression isn't guaranteed over the remaining 1-3 games, but if it arrives in time they will win the tournament.

They have a poor shooting percentage because they are taking perimeter shots. Actual scoring chances were something like 6-4 Latvia favoured despite the wide shot margin for Canada.
 

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There is money for a national development program, but there is no real benefit to doing it. There is also not a good way to integrate such a team into a league. Improvements can be made but that's not it. As far as a national team coach, I don't like the idea. Canada could end up with a Spott, a Lowry, Tim Hunter, a Letang, even Cameron in that role for years and that is a problem. They just need to do a better job selecting coaches. A hint would be to stick to coaches who have won at the junior level, or NCAA I suppose.

Canada having a dud 2025 WJC team thus far is not indicative of a development problem. There is a roster construction and coaching problem, and Canada's trump cards are not there to bail the team out.

This is what I worry about if we lose. Think of it like a "crap rolling down hill" type of thing. The top of Hockey Canada will never blame themselves for this. They'll happily point out that "Oh well, the rest of the world has caught up to us, ho-hum" and do what they did in the late 1990s and have some sort of mock tribunal - as I like to call it - to "fix" hockey in Canada. As if we needed that. We panicked in 1996 and 1998 and then had that tribunal but had one of the best teams ever in 2002. That wasn't an accident, Canada always had that talent, and we still do. You have a problem at the top with the head honchos and always have. There is no way Canada should lose this tournament with the talent they have left at home.
 

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This is what I worry about if we lose. Think of it like a "crap rolling down hill" type of thing. The top of Hockey Canada will never blame themselves for this. They'll happily point out that "Oh well, the rest of the world has caught up to us, ho-hum" and do what they did in the late 1990s and have some sort of mock tribunal - as I like to call it - to "fix" hockey in Canada. As if we needed that. We panicked in 1996 and 1998 and then had that tribunal but had one of the best teams ever in 2002. That wasn't an accident, Canada always had that talent, and we still do. You have a problem at the top with the head honchos and always have. There is no way Canada should lose this tournament with the talent they have left at home.
Canada's hockey summit had no impact on the 2002 Olympics, but it did help lay the foundation for the 2005 WJC team and the success that followed at the junior and senior level. Important to keep in mind that Hockey Canada at that time held a summit to fix development after having won 7/8 WJC gold medals. They recognized that development was bad despite WJC success, largely because people freaked out about losing two best on best tournaments. I don't think that Canada has the same level of pride to do that now, though we will see. I do think that we would be further ahead on fixing goaltending issues if there had been best on best tournaments since 2014 and Canada had to accept the post-Price reality sooner.

This is different than the 2024 tournament though. Canada 2024 just wasn't that good and was not going to be very good most of the time. You can't tweak that roster all that much to improve things a lot, though removing Letang would at least give them a chance. 2025 should be a fairly easy tournament for Canada to win with the sizable edge in talent that exists this year. But it has not been, and even if Canada turns it around in the elimination games this tournament has been made much more difficult than it should have been.
 

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McKenna - Ritchie - Luchanko
Nadeau - Catton - Cowan
Howe - Beaudoin - Martone
Cataford - Yager - Gauthier

I see this being the best way to utilize what they have. Really liked Luchanko in this role at the u18s, played with a ton of speed and made crafty passes in all zones. Will do the little things to hopefully help elevate two of the top offensive threats. Line two needs to be relentlessly attacking with speed and skill. Line three can dominate below the top of the circles and the fourth line should be responsible and bring energy
 

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Alright anyone have a. 2026 lineup?

Also huge emphasis on an entire new coaching staff. I never want to see Dave Cameron again
GM: Kyle Turris
Coach: Gardiner MacDougall

NHL: Schaefer, Celebrini

McKenna-Catton-Sennecke
Misa-Desnoyers-Martone
Iginla-Lindstrom-Greentree
Martin-Luchanko-Boisvert

Truth be told this is the deepest year I can remember for forwards, there could be another B team of forwards here that could do the job; Parascak, Hage, Cootes, Bear, Carbonneau, Reschny, O’Brien, Beaudoin, Kindel, Zonnon, Behm, Spence, Preston and on and on


Dickinson-Parekh
Smith-Verhoeff
Aitcheson-Brunicke
Dupont

Another extremely strong group. Size, skill, and speed. Not as deep as the forwards but I could see names like Elick, Marelli, Reid and Mews being options


Ravensbergen
George
Ivankovic

Another really strong group, all proven winners and Ravensbergen would be my pick





This should be an impossible age group to f*ck up, given the record amount of first round talent in 2025 and basically everyone available bar Celebrini and Yakemchuk from 2024, and the presumptive first overalls in 2026 and 2027, and another few top 5 candidates in 2026. But with Hockey Canada and their band of dinosaurs, you never know
 
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Realistically Hockey Canada executives should be, right now, begging Dale Hunter or Gardiner MacDougall to coach the 2026 team. I wouldn't bet on that happening though.
100% this. Having said that, though, I am not sure that it is fair to totally blame Dave Cameron for the poor roster construction. We all know that Hockey Canada runs a "collaborative", committee type structure for the national teams. That's a polite way of saying that the head coach doesn't necessarily get final say on the roster. The head scout, the GM of the program - they both get an outsized voice also. It seems logical to blame Dave Cameron for Luca Pinelli being there over some of the more obvious choices, but he may not be the guy who decided that Howe deserved to be there over Misa, Cristall or Sennecke, or that both Yakemchuk and Parekh should stay home. Cameron will stand before the cameras and take the fall, but there are other suits at Hockey Canada who should be facing the music also.

Keep in mind, though, that Hockey Canada has a long, proud tradition of stupid roster decisions dating back to the 1998 Olympics when Rob Zaumuner was named to the team. In 2006 these boneheads left Crosby off the Olympic team, for God's sake. Sean Monahan got left off the WJC roster in his year in favour of some jabronis who never played in the NHL - the list goes on...
 
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GM: Kyle Turris
Coach: Gardiner MacDougall

NHL: Schaefer, Celebrini

McKenna-Catton-Sennecke
Misa-Desnoyers-Martone
Iginla-Lindstrom-Greentree
Martin-Luchanko-Boisvert

Truth be told this is the deepest year I can remember for forwards, there could be another B team of forwards here that could do the job; Parascak, Hage, Cootes, Bear, Carbonneau, Reschny, O’Brien, Beaudoin, Kindel, Zonnon, Behm, Spence, Preston and on and on


Dickinson-Parekh
Smith-Verhoeff
Aitcheson-Brunicke
Dupont

Another extremely strong group. Size, skill, and speed. Not as deep as the forwards but I could see names like Elick, Marelli, Reid and Mews being options


Ravensbergen
George
Ivankovic

Another really strong group, all proven winners and Ravensbergen would be my pick





This should be an impossible age group to f*ck up, given the record amount of first round talent in 2025 and basically everyone available bar Celebrini and Yakemchuk from 2024, and the presumptive first overalls in 2026 and 2027, and another few top 5 candidates in 2026. But with Hockey Canada and their band of dinosaurs, you never know
carbonneau is having a great season in the q tbh
 

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haven’t been paying too much attention to the draft or the players at the WJC selections in the past few years. So one of our players made the team so I decided to watch.

Soooo…. We played ok… penalties costed us…. But I’m looking at stats…. Our top forward for team Canada…. Out of all the players we could have selected under the age of 20… in Canada….a is a guy drafted 27th overall last year…….

You’re telling me he is the best Canada’s got to offer under the age of 20…. Meanwhile…
We scored one against the Americans… 2 against f in Latvia…..


Somehow this guy doens’t make team Canada

Beckett Sennecke Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com … he was a top 3 pick in the 2024 draft…. Ok….. he doesnt’ make the team… we better have a f in good team… we are team Canada…
but he doesn’t Easton Clownan gets the most ice time among fowards…


Desperate for offense … this guy also somehow left off the team..https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=241126

Desperate for offense … we also sat out 4 top 10 drafted prospects from the 2024 draft? Let me tell you this…. These guys under any other nationality would have made their national teams. Only Canada is stupid enough to screw up putting together a good team Canada, with so much skill we actually have.

If we lose, don’t be surprised. This is 2024 happening all over again.
Yakemchuk is a star play who drives offence from D. He’s 19. It was crazy not having him on the club. This current club can’t score. They need a guy like him.
 

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100% this. Having said that, though, I am not sure that it is fair to totally blame Dave Cameron for the poor roster construction. We all know that Hockey Canada runs a "collaborative", committee type structure for the national teams. That's a polite way of saying that the head coach doesn't necessarily get final say on the roster. The head scout, the GM of the program - they both get an outsized voice also. It seems logical to blame Dave Cameron for Luca Pinelli being there over some of the more obvious choices, but he may not be the guy who decided that Howe deserved to be there over Misa, Cristall or Sennecke, or that both Yakemchuk and Parekh should stay home. Cameron will stand before the cameras and take the fall, but there are other suits at Hockey Canada who should be facing the music also.

Keep in mind, though, that Hockey Canada has a long, proud tradition of stupid roster decisions dating back to the 1998 Olympics when Rob Zaumuner was named to the team. In 2006 these boneheads left Crosby off the Olympic team, for God's sake. Sean Monahan got left off the WJC roster in his year in favour of some jabronis who never played in the NHL - the list goes on...
I don't blame Cameron for the roster, I do blame him in large part for the team playing below its potential. That said I imagine that he was quite happy with the roster that was decided upon.

Canada cutting Yzerman in 1991, which is akin to Canada cutting MacKinnon today, will never be topped.
 

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I don't blame Cameron for the roster, I do blame him in large part for the team playing below its potential. That said I imagine that he was quite happy with the roster that was decided upon.

Canada cutting Yzerman in 1991, which is akin to Canada cutting MacKinnon today, will never be topped.
Is there some kind of (unspoken) hockey Canada “quota” system that guarantees a minimum of players from the various junior leagues?
 

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Is there some kind of (unspoken) hockey Canada “quota” system that guarantees a minimum of players from the various junior leagues?
Don Cherry always ranted about this. It’s hard to know. As a québécois myself there are about 10 other players I would have on this team before Cataford and Gauthier
 

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IMHO, the whole development program model needs to change. Something like a dedicated national team development program like the US or other countries have. Of course, that would hurt major junior hockey, and who's going to pay for it? But pulling kids out of junior, and throwing a Canadian jersey on them, isn't working any more. From a US perspective, most of our players are coming from the NCAA, which is a better, more mature league; after they play junior/national development. Canada has lost the last 6/8 match ups to the US? That's not a fluke.

No one doubts Canadian talent, they will always be in the mix, but others countries have caught up, and in some ways, past them. Canada sort of reminds me of Brazil in soccer. Insane talent, but how to get them to play as a team?

Just an American perspective. Feel free to correct me. I'm only an older casual fan that doesn't really follow sports any more, but this is always a fun tournament to watch. Peace, Happy New Year.
I think this is a bit of an overreaction. The USNTDP has plenty of warts and may end up seeing significant changes over the next few years. In general, all Canada needs to do to compete for gold is select the right roster. They decided to get cute this year and are having a hard time scoring.
 

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Is there some kind of (unspoken) hockey Canada “quota” system that guarantees a minimum of players from the various junior leagues?
We can't really know that but I expect we will always see at least one player from each of the three major junior leagues.
 

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