Speculation: 2025 TDL Discussion

[funky]

Edmonton adds Trent Frederic as Rob Blake sits on his ass. Would've been a great add to LA's bottom 6 - now we're likely going to have to play against him in the playoffs. Greaaaaaat.

I have Fredric in my SIM league. I believe he is still on IR for a few weeks. But good add for Edm. Grit and some skill. wont count against cap for a few weeks.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Edmonton adds Trent Frederic as Rob Blake sits on his ass. Would've been a great add to LA's bottom 6 - now we're likely going to have to play against him in the playoffs. Greaaaaaat.

Don’t worry

We have fake tough Jeannot to get knocked out in two punches and edmundson to watch from the cuck chair

 

[All The Kings Men]

The shills are out in full today to talk bad about clarke despite the team's performance without him

You know what that means

preconditioning for a bad trade

name one?

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

I see Gavrikov getting between 8-9 M per as for Jeannot...a Big No!!! Moving Moore for who?

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Ran some numbers to look at next year. This would probably require Moore to be moved. Not a big deal.

Gavrikov, with the cap going up & playing on the top pair, 6 seems light. It would be nice.

Crazy idea, moving Moore & Doughty allows to go after Marner/Rantanen UFA & a center around 8 AAV. The D wouldn't be much different than this year & they could add a D at the deadline. Adding a center that can fill in for Kopi would be good insurance if he loses a step. Adding Marner & Cozens/E. Lindholm to the forward group while running mostly the same D would help a lot.

TO is not letting Marner go so forget that...Tavares is a FA too so he takes the Hometown discount and Marner signs for a "Billion"dollars...Cozens has lost it and could be had...Lindholm,interesting...both are Right shooting Centres that can play RWing

 

[Maynard]

name one?

I don’t know if RJ is right or not, but it’s cool that the shills have a captain that defends them at every turn.

 

[FSL KINGS]

I am going off the smoke and the reports from last season and unfortunately I am guilty of using logic here.
We know that they were told that they had to make the playoffs last season, but weren't allowed to use any assets at the deadline.
They assumably sold AEG that they were right there and that they lost to the team hat was a game away from winning the cup.
Reports out there from the trade pundits is that they are active and trying to make a major deal.

#1 above is still entirely possible and it is possible that the only reason DL was fired was because of Luc's coup. I hope that I am wrong there.

Was it just a year ago that Blake's major trade & 8 year extension for PL flopped & he has to fire Todd, whom he just extended, to get the team out of a tail spin? Time sure flies.

100% they're trying to trade for a star. Who else is tired of Fox trying to talk these guys up? Need a name for marketing.

It sounds like they are looking to retain Gavrikov long term. Might have been Freedman mentioning a potential 7-year deal?

Agree regarding shopping him and others, I'm sure the return would be quite solid, but that's too logical of an approach for this FO.

The hamster wheel continues to churn in Blake's noggin.

Gavrikov is our best defenseman. He should be brought back. Hope it's not too unreasonable of a price.

TO is not letting Marner go so forget that...Tavares is a FA too so he takes the Hometown discount and Marner signs for a "Billion"dollars...Cozens has lost it and could be had...Lindholm,interesting...both are Right shooting Centres that can play RWing

If TO goes out in the first or second round again, feel like there's a Doughty for Marner's rights or sign & trade that could work. TO gets the top pair right D to change up the makeup of the team. Can't see TO keeping the three together & giving them all raises if they flame out again.

Doughty will be back to skating better after an off-season to recover. Many of these types of injuries take a year to bounce back from. King's add a center/wing in the off-season as well to insure Kopi doesn't fall off. Then add D depth at the deadline.

There are a few other players that fit other than Marner. Comes down to moving Doughty & his 7 team trade list then picking up another player. There should be plenty of of interest in Doughty. Hard to make a trade suggestion without knowing Doughty's trade list. Oilers & Florida on it knowing Doughty.

 

[bland]

I don’t know if RJ is right or not, but it’s cool that the shills have a captain that defends them at every turn.

I don't follow any of that nonsense, but if the point is that the usual free lunch suspects are criticizing Clarke, well they are right. He has played poorly for a looooong while now. It's ridiculous to trade him, but Clarke should be in Ontario right about now.

There is a lot of anger here turning into some nonsensical posts, but its coming from the right place. Clarke isn't ready to contribute to a playoff team, but that's no reason to move him. Pretending that he hasn’t been struggling doesn't help any of the arguments, but I don't read that as anything other than venting some well-earned frustration.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I would re-sign Jeannot and if they re-sign Gavrikov I would rather the Kings give him term instead of money. They can always buy out the later years. He also seems like a player who is getting better with age.

I hope they save a big move for the summer - trying to go after Marner or Rantanen.

Hoping Blake just picks up a rental for the stretch and doesn't give up too much.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't follow any of that nonsense, but if the point is that the usual free lunch suspects are criticizing Clarke, well they are right. He has played poorly for a looooong while now. It's ridiculous to trade him, but Clarke should be in Ontario right about now.

There is a lot of anger here turning into some nonsensical posts, but its coming from the right place. Clarke isn't ready to contribute to a playoff team, but that's no reason to move him. Pretending that he hasn’t been struggling doesn't help any of the arguments, but I don't read that as anything other than venting some well-earned frustration.

On a night where the Kings largely tilted the ice

Burroughs found a way to be the ONLY Kings with high danger against and none for
the only King with ZERO shots for
At 40% shot attempts with the Kings being at 65% for the night
On the ice for a goal against

This happens nightly

We can't find a spot for the most dynamic offensive dman we've drafted since Doughty in the middle of a scoring drought and are instead icing the above for such limited time and it's still a net negative

The problem is that you're not allowing him to work thru growing pains--like the other kids--for the umpteenth year in a row, inevitably landing them right back here next year, wondering "wow how is he not ready" and sending him tot he bench, rinse, repeat. How many years in a row do we need to do this? Why do we need 7 defense dmen in the lineup? They've beaten the confidence and dynamism right out of him and when they want him 'ready' next year, guess what? He's played 50 NHL minutes this year so we're going to be running into the same wall so he can learn.

It's not Clarke criticism in the raw we're railing against. I'd like to believe you're smarter than that and are just being deliberately obtuse. If not, well, you're just being either ignorant OR insulting and on either one, go f*** yourself.

 

[FSL KINGS]

I don't follow any of that nonsense, but if the point is that the usual free lunch suspects are criticizing Clarke, well they are right. He has played poorly for a looooong while now. It's ridiculous to trade him, but Clarke should be in Ontario right about now.

There is a lot of anger here turning into some nonsensical posts, but its coming from the right place. Clarke isn't ready to contribute to a playoff team, but that's no reason to move him. Pretending that he hasn’t been struggling doesn't help any of the arguments, but I don't read that as anything other than venting some well-earned frustration.

"Clarke isn't ready to contribute to a playoff team"
Sure. King's will probably make the playoffs because Vancouver & Calgary are having terrible years. Then they'll probably get bounced in the first round again. Being a "playoff " team & getting destroyed in the first round is more important than getting Clarke ice time.

Clarke is struggling: Doughty is struggling, Edmundson is struggling, Spence is getting burned regularly. Moverare has pretty regular accidents. Burroughs is a joke of a hockey player. King's managed to lose 3? in a row without Clarke. He's not any worse than the other guys out there regularly.

We've seen too many young players not get time because this is a playoff team. Then they never develop. Is it bad drafting?

King's can't give Clarke ice time because Blake will get canned if he doesn't at least make the playoffs. That's it.

Instead of turning Clarke into a shutdown defenseman, why don't they trade Clarke for a shutdown defenseman like Edmundson & a 1st round pick!!!!

 

[All The Kings Men]

I don’t know if RJ is right or not, but it’s cool that the shills have a captain that defends them at every turn.

See the problem with your endless picking and prodding and teasing is that it's full of shit.

You don't know.

I haven't seen Bernstein or Hoven promote the idea that Clarke should be traded or is untradeable in fact it's just the opposite.

So get off my sack and actually say something worth reading for once.

WHO are the shills? WHAT are they saying? WHERE are they saying it?

I'm not shill protecting I'm particiapting in the same conversation you guys are and I'm so tired of your sarcastic bullshit. Grow up.

 

[FSL KINGS]

 

[BigKing]

The answer to being so upset about all of this is to just not care as much. Bluc and friends have sapped my caring levels to a point where I've already accepted being disappointed.

I mean, all this Clarke talk got me thinking about his draft and how I wanted Guenther. I legit do not have the time to watch non-Kings hockey so I'm not totally up to speed on how other teams and players are doing, but I just looked him up and that son of a bitch has 22/22 in 49 games!?! Of course he does.

Rob Blake is a poison to the Kings franchise. It's okay if you don't believe in curses or aren't superstitious, but this guy has done more to keep the Kings from winning than he did to help them win, and you could make an argument that was the case before he took over as GM.

He shouldn't be allowed to do anything at the deadline.

 

[Lt Dan]

See the problem with your endless picking and prodding and teasing is that it's full of shit.

You don't know.

I haven't seen Bernstein or Hoven promote the idea that Clarke should be traded or is untradeable in fact it's just the opposite.

So get off my sack and actually say something worth reading for once.

WHO are the shills? WHAT are they saying? WHERE are they saying it?

Can I volunteer to be one of the shills?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I found the shill!

 

[MonkeysUncle]

Why, unless it for like $6×5 which it wont, it'll be an overpayment for a team that has more dire needs going forward

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

name one?

Sure

Predictably, after a tough streak, Bernstein is out here telling fans that they're not good fans because they're not enjoying what's happening with the team or brandt. and mocking evidence of various forms. Ziggy beat me to the one I was posting, but there's pleeeennnty of it.



And go into any comment section where the original poster defends clarke, and you'll find either the usual suspects or fake accounts telling the OP how bad he actually is, far too many to copy and paste.

We're probably about a tough game or two from Carrlyn and some players hopping into the comment sections too at this point. "ha." And if he's not traded at the deadline, I'm guessing we get a "well Clarke didn't really help us down the stretch" commentary at some point before his offseason trade for some third line 30 year old.

 

[Maynard]

Can I volunteer to be one of the shills?

You’ll need to abandon any sense of self respect and constantly speak glowingly about the worst management team in the history of this franchise. It’ll also helo if you’re a snarky on message boards.

 

[All The Kings Men]

OK Bernstein is 100% a "3 seasons of 99 points" type "shill" if you want to call that shilling but the hes NOT talkin about Clarke in a trade him/hes uncoachable kind of way

I've had disagreements with Dennis over the years about his VERY consistent takes about "LA Needs a star!" and "This team needs more skill!" or "three seasons in a row of 99 points"

If you wanna call Bernstein a shill for those takes then fine I won't push back but he's NOT prepping anyone for a trade of Bradnt Clarke. He may be defending Blake as a GM and you can feel however you want about that but it's not what you brought up.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Watch them think they have another Jack Johnson and a 1st for Jeff Carter trade lined up and deal Clarke and a 1st for someone like Brock Boeser, only to lose in the first round yet again.

 

[Lt Dan]

You’ll need to abandon any sense of self respect and constantly speak glowingly about the worst management team in the history of this franchise. It’ll also helo if you’re a snarky on message boards.

is that word start with a c

and end with a t ?

 

[Schrute farms]

I don't follow any of that nonsense, but if the point is that the usual free lunch suspects are criticizing Clarke, well they are right. He has played poorly for a looooong while now. It's ridiculous to trade him, but Clarke should be in Ontario right about now.

There is a lot of anger here turning into some nonsensical posts, but its coming from the right place. Clarke isn't ready to contribute to a playoff team, but that's no reason to move him. Pretending that he hasn’t been struggling doesn't help any of the arguments, but I don't read that as anything other than venting some well-earned frustration.

I'm not going to get into the discussion/argument of whether Clarke is struggling or not. I'll just move on and let you have that. However, here's the thing: even "struggling", he's still a better option then some other Dmen that are getting ice'd instead.

Here's the other thing, there are plenty of forwards who have "struggled" WAY worse than Clarke and yet they continue to play and get their ice time. At least a guy like Clarke can expected to continue to grow his game/develop and get better as the year goes on being such a young dude. Meanwhile you got JAGs and corpse laboring along ("struggling" -- to use your word...some mightily so) and again still getting played each game and getting minutes (some WAY too much).

But yeah, it's this young talented kid who is causing the team to struggle and costing them wins. Let's sit him or send him down to Ontario. That will other help all the other sucky, "struggling" 20+ guys on the team and make them better going forward.

 

[Lt Dan]

I have to say that I am enjoying spicy @Maynard he always makes me laugh but spicy Maynard is like normal Maynard drank 5 red bulls, did a few bumps, and then ran over a hooker.
Maynard you have my permission to run over all the hookers that you need to

 

[KopitarGOAT420]

You also just can't argue against the facts at this point (re: Clarke).

With Clarke sitting in the press box:
Record: 0-4
Goals against per game average: 3.75
Goals for per game average: 0.5
Differential: -3.25

With Clarke in the lineup:
Record: 31-16-8
Goals against per game average: 2.61
Goals for per game average: 3.00
Differential: +0.39

So not only can this team not score for sh*t when Clarke isn't in the lineup - they also give up significantly more goals against when he's not in the lineup.

Clarke gives the Kings the best chance to win games.

The fact that management/Hiller have been handling Clarke this way is completely idiotic and inexcusable.