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He married a St. Louisan, said he wanted to stay in St. Louis, and still owns property here. Sure, he's not from St. Louis, but also that matters a helluva lot less in hockey, to your point. Like I said, I don't have an exact comparison where I can definitively say I didn't boo this player, ergo I wouldn't boo that player, but I'm fairly confident I know myself.
That’s fine but also the venn diagram of people saying Trent is just honoring his contract, and those saying they should do him a favor and let him go early is a flat circle. I think with the exorbitant prices to attend a match, if the fans want to boo they’ve certainly bought the right to.
Where I land on this after some days to reflect - I simply do not think Arne Slot (who has gotten way more right than he's got wrong this season) should have put Trent in that situation. Trent should have played his last game for the club as soon as we clinched the league. Its unrealistic to have thought that people weren't going to boo - hell they booed him during the warm up. Slot should not have put him on.
I guess I missed Trent kicking Bradley in the face, slapping Salah, trying to stamp Van Dijk, and running across the pitch to celebrate a goal against Liverpool in front of the Kop End. Fair play to Liverpool fans, in that case.
Okay.
Okay - then provide the perfect example.
So success is the only thing that's relevant with a leadership change? Not how well you get on with the new boss, not a change in role, nothing else?
I think cross sport comparisons are usually bad, and this is one of those cases. Let's look at Lebron. Lebron did not have a choice where he wound up. You go where the NBA tells you to go. He wound up being drafted by Cleveland. He had a series of choices he could have made to get out of Cleveland, but American sports teams generally do not listen to players, he could have wound up somewhere that he wanted to be even less. Then there's another series of choices he could have made to get out of Cleveland faster at great risk to his career.
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Xhaka: I nearly quit Arsenal over 'pure hate'
Granit Xhaka has said he was close to leaving Arsenal after he was booed off and clashed with his own supporters during a Premier League match.www.espn.com
Spare me the false indignation. Your fans are psychopaths who regularly treat their players like shit and ours had a boo. Wow the horror.
It is crystal clear that I do not support booing players. Crystal clear to everyone but you. You are arguing with some made up fantasy in your head.
So if we are comparing to LeBron going to Cleveland, I would say that's the Harry Kane to Bayern transfer. Couldn't win at Tottenham so went to Bayern to learn how. Maybe he comes back to the PL later.
Trent didn't wait to see how he got on with Slot. He started turning the wheels on this as soon as Klopp bounced. There is no evidence whatsoever that Trent had any problems with Slot. If you would like to find some, please share. If we want to talk about that one time he went off for (I think) Gomez as a late game sub and did a stink face; that's the same sub that Klopp made numerous times so that's not a Slot thing
Booing is Booing. The point that everyone is trying to make is Booing is bad. No one is trying to make a a Richter scale of what is justified booing vs what isn't. And yes the leaving for free thing is a major part of this. It leaves a bad taste because he left LFC on Madrid's terms. There was a way that Trent could have left without enraging the fan base. He did the opposite of that
Right you don't support it, you just, wink wink nudge nudge, see why it happens and are willing to write paragraphs justifying it. Have the courage of your convictions.
And people gave PSG fans crap for that...
No one is saying that success doesn't matter. You just said that the manager leaving doesn't matter at all as long as you're successful with the new manager.
So you're going to nitpick every instance of a player leaving without getting booed to make sure it fits the facts perfectly but refuse to see any nuance in booing? Sounds about right.
Respectfully. If Saka decides he wants to be somewhere else because he has zero titles and zero UCLs, would that change your perception?
If he leaves at any point other than old age to MLS, he would be booed riotously by the supporters who have spent tens of thousands going to Arsenal matches. There is no chance that he wouldn't be.
Yeah. Some fan bases can take crap better than others. But again, there is your closest precedent. Same thing happened.
If the goal is to be on a successful team, why does it matter who the manager is? It didn’t matter to Salah or Virgil.
Find me one media source that has been talking about Trent that is talking about nuanced booing. No one is talking about nuanced booing except for you.
I also have a hard time believe he would get zero boos from the famously rational Arsenal fan base. It’s also cool if people don’t want to boo.
Good lord, I don't think I've seen a post treat humans more like robots.
I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. We're having a conversation here; what does a media source have to do with anything?
Ah, once again, you've resorted to personal attacks. The last resort of a losing argument.
I think we long passed the point of personal attacks, you made some and I made some, this has been going on for months. Now you can cry about that too.
