2025 Summer Transfer Rumors and Discussion Closed Window

[Live in the Now]

If you think we haven’t run Diaz into the ground you don’t watch the games. The guy is a machine.

 

[Savant]

Would hate to lose Diaz, but think there’s a point economically where you just can’t said no. He leaves a massive hole in the squad though

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Friggen Liverpool know exactly when to sell. They want Barca to fund their next 5 yrs. No thanks. Coutinho was enough for my life time

 

[KJS14]

Given Napoli isn’t going to bring Osimhen back into the team and therefore it’s a cut rate sale, not sure why another team hasn’t yet jumped all over it.

Think he still wants insane wages. Would prefer him over Gyokeres though and it's rumored he also wants insane wages.

I don't mind Rashford as an off the bench option, subbing in for Raphinha or Lewandowski

Assuming they were on similar wages, Rashford would have been 10x more useful than Sterling was for us this season. Though that's not really saying much.

 

[les Habs]

Your argument was very specifically that he did not fail in the Premier League (also, if you're going to be so pedantic, at least get the name right; it hasn't been the Premiership since 2007). I posit if you are on the roster of a Premier League team and you fail to earn a league appearance, you have failed in the Premier League. To argue otherwise is just silly! Put it in other contexts. Imagine Team A signs a player for 100M and that player never plays for Team A because he wasn't good enough. By your logic, you cannot say that 100M player failed at Team A. That's nonsense.

I'm not sure why you're incapable of googling this information yourself, but he was on the bench for Brighton's 2-1 defeat away at Cardiff on Nov. 10, 2018, Brighton's 1-0 victory at home against Everton on Dec. 29, 2018, and Brighton's 2-1 loss away to Man United on Jan. 19, 2019. As mentioned previously, in each case, both Florin Andone and Glenn Murray either started or were subbed in over Gyokeres.

8 cup matches over two seasons is a lot for a team like Brighton and it was also over a season and a half. In fact, Brighton only played 10 cup matches during that time, so it's not like they had an opportunity to play him in more cup matches during that time. As for the loans, I'm not really sure how you found 5 teams, unless you're counting Brighton's senior team as different than its U23 team. Brighton bought him in Jan 2018. He stayed at Brighton for the remainder of that season and all of 2018-19, where he got into 5 (of 7) cup matches and sat on the bench for three PL matches. They then loaned him to St. Pauli for 2019-20, where he had regular playtime. After that, at the start of 2020-21, he started in all of their cup matches but could not earn PL playing time, so they loaned him out to Swansea. At Swansea, he performed so poorly that he was stapled to the bench, so they recalled him and instead loaned him out to Coventry, where he scored three goals in 19 matches. Four teams: Brighton, St. Pauli, Swansea, Coventry. I refuse to believe you actually think its bad player management to recall a player who has earned a full time bench role at his loaned team in order for him to get minutes at a different team that's a couple hours drive away.

1. Sure, you could say Salah and De Bruyne failed in the PL when they were young! To play semantics like you, though, I'm not sure how they're relevant because they both played in the PL, so surely, using your logic, you would agree they failed as well. That said, as you mention in 2, the conversation about whether Gyokeres will be successful is irrelevant, so I don't know what you were trying to solve by referencing Salah or KdB.

Actually that's not true - I know exactly what your point is, whether you'll say it or not. The underlying current of this conversation is trying to answer the unwritten question of if Gyokeres will be successful at a top side. Hence, you brought up Salah and KdB as examples of players who were later successful in the PL after not achieving success at Chelsea when they were younger. Of course, there are I'm sure hundreds of examples of players who were unsuccessful at a young age on a Premier League team and didn't turn out to be Salah or KdB. However, even accepting the comparison, I think it's relevant to note that both were at a Chelsea team contending for titles rather than a lower-in-the-table Brighton side, so presumably it would have been harder for either to establish himself as a first-team mainstay and both, when loaned and ultimately sold, were sold to teams in a different top 5 league. Other than his 8 cup matches you scoff at, Gyokeres hasn't played a game for a team in a top 5 league.

Anyway, this is all a lot more words than I intended to type about Gyokeres, so I'll let you have the last word I know you desperately crave. Take it away - let's see which hair you'll split this time to weasel out of the meaning of your words.

My “argument”, again which is posted for everyone to see, was in response to a post that said he failed in the Premiership despite never playing there. In fact, after I pointed that out SEPH himself said that he was essentially led to believe that he played there when he did not. And yes, as an extension of that, I am saying he didn’t fail there because he never played. What you should be asking is “do you think he would have failed?”, but instead you’re laughable going on about “Premiership” which along with everyone else goes to show that as always you have nothing worthwhile to say despite being more pedantic.

As for your latest example, I would say it depends on why Player A isn’t playing, but if he’s not being selected then the failure I see is in the club who brought him in’s transfer.

I saw the number of matches after you posted it, but I wanted to have you post it. So three total matches on the bench is somehow playing in the Premier League and failing. Great argument that.

Now this is where it gets really good. 8 matches is a lot of cup matches for Brighton? Well that’s great, but that’s completely irrelevant to the discussion. Laughable that you even made that statement. 8 matches being a lot of matches for a player, in this case over the course of two seasons, is the measurement and it is in no way a lot of matches. Even at a club like Brighton assuming you play every match, it’s about 10% of the total matches at best and that’s assuming the player plays the full 90 minutes in each of those matches.

As for the number of teams he played for, I’m definitely including Brighton’s U23 side as they are separate team. As for how they loaned him and where, five teams is a lot during that period no matter how you cut it and even if they moved him to Coventry presumably to get him more minutes, they still sold him for almost nothing after that loan.

Haha, another great bit here. Here’s the thing though, I wasn’t referencing Salah or De Bruyne as a means of suggesting Gyokeres would be successful or not. I was simply demonstrating that by your “logic” they were failures in the league because their clubs didn’t play them. Of course that’s not the case as they too didn’t get much by way of chances, but per you they would qualify as failures at Chelsea.

And it gets even better. You know my point even if I won’t say it and then go on to attribute a bunch of nonsense that I never remotely suggested.

Best part, bowing out just Arsenal in a meaningful competition. Actually that’s not fair, Arsenal aren’t that bad.

 

[LOGiK]

Would hate to lose Diaz, but think there’s a point economically where you just can’t said no. He leaves a massive hole in the squad though

Mane was leaving and that was padded because Diaz was capable...
Now Diaz is leaving and who goes there?
(I watch LP but I don't know their squad rafters and whos up there)

 

[Live in the Now]

One end of this conversation is reminding me of Cole Palmer. Nobody would have said 'he was a Premier League failure at City' and if you would you're stupid. If that's how you judge young players then it's hard to listen to what you're saying.

 

[Live in the Now]

Mane was leaving and that was padded because Diaz was capable...
Now Diaz is leaving and who goes there?
(I watch LP but I don't know their squad rafters and whos up there)

If Diaz leaves, we do have Gakpo and we would also have Kerkez so our left side would be great going forward, and Kerkez especially replaces Diaz's speed factor. Diaz would definitely have to be replaced though. No doubt about that.

 

[LOGiK]

If Diaz leaves, we do have Gakpo and we would also have Kerkez so our left side would be great going forward, and Kerkez especially replaces Diaz's speed factor. Diaz would definitely have to be replaced though. No doubt about that.

Kerkez? They got him too? I heard City wanted him.
LP maybe getting Wirtz and Kerkez over City?
Forgot about Gakpo... yeah he's settled in a bit better this year.

 

[Live in the Now]

Kerkez? They got him too? I heard City wanted him.
LP maybe getting Wirtz and Kerkez over City?
Forgot about Gakpo... yeah he's settled in a bit better this year.

On the way apparently. Might be waiting until a certain point for PSR reasons but it's going to happen.

 

[LOGiK]

On the way apparently. Might be waiting until a certain point for PSR reasons but it's going to happen.

Wow... didn't know kerkez was headed there.
They already dangerous attack I still can't figure wirtz leaving germany, but if he does that would be quite an attack....

I already read the bbc gossip which is just the whispers (and rarely the signings) so I hear whos looking at whom but dont get all the transfers.

Who is LP's second to wirtz were he not to join LP?

 

[LOGiK]

One end of this conversation is reminding me of Cole Palmer. Nobody would have said 'he was a Premier League failure at City' and if you would you're stupid. If that's how you judge young players then it's hard to listen to what you're saying.

Did he really take a dig at pep? I saw he said (supposedly - not sure if it was click bait, i didn't click it) in an article that Palmer was 'tired of passing the ball sideways and backwards' ... hence why he wanted to leave City.

 

[Savant]

Mane was leaving and that was padded because Diaz was capable...
Now Diaz is leaving and who goes there?
(I watch LP but I don't know their squad rafters and whos up there)

If Diaz leaves, we do have Gakpo and we would also have Kerkez so our left side would be great going forward, and Kerkez especially replaces Diaz's speed factor. Diaz would definitely have to be replaced though. No doubt about that.

I have a sneaky feeling that they go back in for Anthony Gordon

Also they might just use Chiesa over there. Hes better on the left and you can’t move him because He has the best song on the Kop right now

 

[Savant]

Did he really take a dig at pep? I saw he said (supposedly - not sure if it was click bait, i didn't click it) in an article that Palmer was 'tired of passing the ball sideways and backwards' ... hence why he wanted to leave City.

Palmer left City because he didn’t want to compete with Doku for minutes

 

[Savant]

I already read the bbc gossip which is just the whispers (and rarely the signings) so I hear whos looking at whom but dont get all the transfers.

Don’t read those.

Who is LP's second to wirtz were he not to join LP?

Probably Cherki but he’s off to City, so we probably should just get Wirtz done

 

[Savant]

On the way apparently. Might be waiting until a certain point for PSR reasons but it's going to happen.

I think they are just all hands on deck for Wirtz right now. Kerkez happens when Wirtz is settled

 

[Savant]

Friggen Liverpool know exactly when to sell. They want Barca to fund their next 5 yrs. No thanks. Coutinho was enough for my life time

Well if Barca won’t, then Saudi will. But if they sell Diaz they absolute need a replacement

 

[Chimaera]

Wirtz heat map has a left on the left for what it’s worth.

It’s easier not to sell Diaz but there’s certainly a lot of options. Likely would see them get someone young and decent to groom. Heck maybe Doak can play left

 

[les Habs]

I have a sneaky feeling that they go back in for Anthony Gordon

Same. He was linked again in the last week. Just not sure how much you have to spend selling Diaz and potentially bringing in Wirtz. Clearly you lot have money, just a matter of how much.

 

[Savant]

Same. He was linked again in the last week. Just not sure how much you have to spend selling Diaz and potentially bringing in Wirtz. Clearly you lot have money, just a matter of how much.

I think the three signings everyone knows about are in budget without too much issue. After that going to be some outgoing. If Saudi is giving nine figures for Diaz and Darwin, that basically takes care of getting their replacements. If Newcastle still wants Quansah, that REALLY helps too.so basically something like Diaz, Darwin, Quansah out for Gordon and (for example) Ekitike is pretty close. And there are going to be other outgoings as well. LFC will be busy but they have a route to pull this off without it hurting too bad

 

[Evilo]

@Duchene2MacKinnon
Pretty much done.

 

[ahmedou]

Deja vu for Tonali...

Deja vu soon for Reinjders...

 

[LOGiK]

Palmer left City because he didn’t want to compete with Doku for minutes

Pep said (loose quote) 'if you (we, city) wanted doku we had to sell players like palmer'

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

@Duchene2MacKinnon
Pretty much done.

Looks like it’s closer but not done yet. Still hoping he waits it out. Interesting that como was trying to get him to that would’ve been great.

 

[luiginb]

Reguilon to leave Spurs

Mendes (ex-Lyon) to leave al-Rayyan