2025 STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Anyone else hoping the Leafs finish off the Sens tonight?

Half the crowd wearing blue and going nutz

Yes. and then get right back to losing and getting eliminated from the playoffs.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Doesn't look like much to me, a lot of those guys had Tarasenko or Compher numbers. It's not the team I would be jealous over. They made it in because certain guys went nuclear, and got goaltending. Even then they limped in.

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Anderson/Dvorak/Gallagher/Evans don't score a lot but all 4 have 10x the compete than our entire bottom 6, and it's clear as day if you watch them play. I don't think Compher has worked as hard a single game in his entire career as Anderson did yesterday.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Anderson/Dvorak/Gallagher/Evans don't score a lot but all 4 have 10x the compete than our entire bottom 6, and it's clear as day if you watch them play. I don't think Compher has worked as hard a single game in his entire career as Anderson did yesterday.

Maybe, Copp and Compher switch each year as the punching bags. I wouldn't be shocked if Compher has a bounce back and Copp sags.

But I look at those guys and meh, a team showing desperation in game 3 isn't something new.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Maybe, Copp and Compher switch each year as the punching bags. I wouldn't be shocked if Compher has a bounce back and Copp sags.

But I look at those guys and meh, a team showing desperation in game 3 isn't something new.

I'm not saying they are way ahead of us or anything. I actually view it as encouraging in the sense that the problems are more easily fixable.

When I watch the Habs, I see a team led by younger players working hard with the rest of the team pulling their weight (to their relative abilities). Dvorak/Anderson/Gallagher/Evans/Matheson/Carrier all compete hard and log important minutes for the team, and aren't black holes defensively (key important piece). They help set the tone for the team, get in scrums and fights and stand up for the kids, and ultimately help push a coheisve image for the team.

When I see Detroit, I see the exact same level of encouraging play from our kids (Raymond/Kasper/Ed/Seider and you can include Larkin). But our vets outside of Kane are invisible every game. To me that's a sign that replacing the depth with actual useful players is one of the simplest fixes we can do to this team.

It would be more concerning if Demidov was playing like rookie Ovechkin, Suzuki like McDavid, Caufield like prime MSL, and that was carrying the team, but that's not happening. They're all playing well, Hutson especially looks great, but a large part of their success is the depth being competent.

 

[schuelma24]

I'm not saying they are way ahead of us or anything. I actually view it as encouraging in the sense that the problems are more easily fixable.

When I watch the Habs, I see a team led by younger players working hard with the rest of the team pulling their weight (to their relative abilities). Dvorak/Anderson/Gallagher/Evans/Matheson/Carrier all compete hard and log important minutes for the team, and aren't black holes defensively (key important piece). They help set the tone for the team, get in scrums and fights and stand up for the kids, and ultimately help push a coheisve image for the team.

When I see Detroit, I see the exact same level of encouraging play from our kids. But our vets outside of Kane are invisible every game. To me that's a sign that replacing the depth with actual useful players is one of the simplest fixes we can do to this team.

It would be more concerning if Demidov was playing like rookie Ovechkin, Suzuki like McDavid, Caufield like prime MSL, and that was carrying the team, but that's not happening. They're all playing well, Hutson especially looks great, but a large part of their success is the depth being competent.

Yeah...this is a bit simplistic, but I would describe this years team as good enough to make the playoffs with their young core with literally just *average* play from the vets. Instead at certain spots the play was not even replacement level. That's why I don't think making the playoffs next year is at all a reach.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Yeah...this is a bit simplistic, but I would describe this years team as good enough to make the playoffs with their young core with literally just *average* play from the vets. Instead at certain spots the play was not even replacement level. That's why I don't think making the playoffs next year is at all a reach.

I agree. Replacing Rasmussen or Motte with Trent Frederic, promoting Mazur, adding someone like Bennett and kicking out one of Compher/Copp...the team looks a lot more promising IMO.

 

[schuelma24]

I agree. Replacing Rasmussen or Motte with Trent Frederic, promoting Mazur, adding someone like Bennett and kicking out one of Compher/Copp...the team looks a lot more promising IMO.

Even more important IMO.. a solid top 4 D that pushes Chiarot down and Holl OUT of the lineup.

 

[DanielMarois]

Anderson/Dvorak/Gallagher/Evans don't score a lot but all 4 have 10x the compete than our entire bottom 6, and it's clear as day if you watch them play. I don't think Compher has worked as hard a single game in his entire career as Anderson did yesterday.

Think it's more than just having better depth and harder working players. Suzuki is better than Larkin now, Hutson can control a game like no dman on the Wings can and they have much better goaltending.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Think it's more than just having better depth and harder working players. Suzuki is better than Larkin now, Hutson can control a game like no dman on the Wings can and they have much better goaltending.

Suzuki is better than Washington’s #1C and Hutson controls the game like no D on the Caps can, so if it was that easy they should be up 3-0 in the series, no?

 

[JoesuffP]

I don’t like Montreals forward core at all. I think they’ve made some dumb first round picks. Ottawa clearly has more talent in all positions but they’ve also been operating like a team that’s one piece away for the last 3 years

 

[RedHawkDown]

Think it's more than just having better depth and harder working players. Suzuki is better than Larkin now, Hutson can control a game like no dman on the Wings can and they have much better goaltending.

Raymond is better than Slafkovsky, and by a lot. Kasper has no equal on their forward core. Debrincat is equal to Caufield. Edvinsson is at least as good as Guhle and I’d say better.

Difference is, their top pair is Matheson and Carrier and both can hold their own against top lines, whereas Chiarot drags Seider down and the rest of the vets on D are AHL level.

 

[DanielMarois]

Suzuki is better than Washington’s #1C and Hutson controls the game like no D on the Caps can, so if it was that easy they should be up 3-0 in the series, no?

No, I said along with better depth they are better at #1C and #1d. Washington has better depth though and great goaltending

 

[Pavels Dog]

No, I said along with better depth they are better at #1C and #1d. Washington has better depth though and great goaltending

Bigger difference by far being depth and goaltending. Swap Debrincat and Caufield and very little changes. Swap Matheson and Gustafsson and Detroit’s probably in the 1st round right now.

 

[deca guard]

the molson beer commercial during sens/leafs with rush song 'closer to the heart' is awesome

 

[RabidBadger]

It's a good thing Paul Bissonette is sitting behind a desk to hide his boner when the Leafs are doing well. Why do they let a partisan chud like that have a voice?

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

It's a good thing Paul Bissonette is sitting behind a desk to hide his boner when the Leafs are doing well. Why do they let a partisan chud like that have a voice?

I'm not really a fan of Biz but I do like that he in no way tried to hid his homerism.

 

[Lampedampe]

Sens are so boring to watch.

The results indicate a quite interesting series, tight scores and so on. But man, I just can't bring myself to watch more than 5 minutes.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I'm not really a fan of Biz but I do like that he in no way tried to hid his homerism.

Unlike Eddie "I'm totally not biased" Olczyk. Keith Jones was always hating as well.

 

[ricky0034]

Yeah...this is a bit simplistic, but I would describe this years team as good enough to make the playoffs with their young core with literally just *average* play from the vets. Instead at certain spots the play was not even replacement level. That's why I don't think making the playoffs next year is at all a reach.

the problem with that is that the same pro scouting staff that has brought in all the current guys is still presumably fully intact(as far as i'm aware of anyways)

you say that as if the WIngs don't try and bring in vets to improve the depth every year already, they just end up sucking most of the time

 

[13to40]

That and how competent they look - like a legit NHL team.

Playing in one of the most passionate fan bases in the world will do that for you.

Montreal being in the playoffs is more important than all else when it happens in Montreal.

The whole city goes crazy.

Their roster isn’t much better than ours. They just have some work horses on every line. Anderson being the most noticeable. Oh and they have competent goaltending. Oh and most importantly… they don’t have Justin Holl on the back end.

 

[Mrb1p]

Raymond is better than Slafkovsky, and by a lot. Kasper has no equal on their forward core. Debrincat is equal to Caufield. Edvinsson is at least as good as Guhle and I’d say better.

Difference is, their top pair is Matheson and Carrier and both can hold their own against top lines, whereas Chiarot drags Seider down and the rest of the vets on D are AHL level.

My man, Id trade Matheson for Chiarot one for one any time.

Guhle-Hutson is our first pair, by the way.

Guhle is better than Seider, Hutson is better than Edvinsson. Suzuki is better than Larkin. Agreed on Slaf and Cole.

Demidov exists.

 

[cvaicunas]

My man, Id trade Matheson for Chiarot one for one any time.

Guhle-Hutson is our first pair, by the way.

Guhle is better than Seider, Hutson is better than Edvinsson. Suzuki is better than Larkin. Agreed on Slaf and Cole.

Demidov exists.

That's certainly an opinion

 

[RedHawkDown]

My man, Id trade Matheson for Chiarot one for one any time.

Guhle-Hutson is our first pair, by the way.

Guhle is better than Seider, Hutson is better than Edvinsson. Suzuki is better than Larkin. Agreed on Slaf and Cole.

Demidov exists.

In none of the many multiverses is this true.

 

[Mrb1p]

That's certainly an opinion

Its almost fact.

In none of the many multiverses is this true.

Better defensively, same 5v5 production and just as physical. Similar deployment too.

Ones underrated, the other is overrated, Ill let you figure it out.

Im sorry though I didnt realize this was the Wings board, lol.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Its almost fact.

Better defensively, same 5v5 production and just as physical. Similar deployment too.

Ones underrated, the other is overrated, Ill let you figure it out.

I'm not sure why you're in the Detroit board trolling, but sure, I'll bite, because it's comical how wrong you are.

Kaiden Guhle:
21:11 ATOI this year, 20:52 career.
Career high of 22 points, 18 points this year.
QoC rel CF % 0.355, 3rd highest among defensemen on the team, Matheson and Carrier both face higher QoC (Carrier by a lot).
CF% 46.58, relative CF -3.0. IE he is a net negative to his team relative to other players.

Moritz Seider:
25:04 ATOI, 23:34 career.
Career high of 50 pts, 46 this year.
QoC rel CF% 0.402, 1st among defensemen on the team.
CF% 49.8, relative CF +4.6, IE he is a net positive to his team relative to other playres.

And that's just advanced stats for this one year. Last year Seider's rel QoC was 0.6, the highest in the entire NHL, whereas Guhle was at 0.399 and again a negative relative CF.

And before you go on about no PP deployment, Hutson wasn't on your team last year and Guhle had a whopping 22 points. He's not on the PP because he is a black hole offensively, not only because there are better options.

So in summary: Seider plays harder minutes, plays more minutes, is actually a net positive to the team for those minutes, and leads the team in defensive ice time. Guhle plays easier minutes, is sheltered by Matheson who plays more and harder minutes (Mike Matheson played 25:05 ATOI for Montreal this year), is a net negative relative to other players on the team in the minutes he actually plays, and has zero offensive ability to boot. In no world was Guhle a first pairing defenseman based either on deployment or results.

Seider is better offensively, better defensively, plays more and harder minutes, and is far better in those minutes. Please return to your board to watch your team get wiped in 5 games, thanks.

And fun fact: Lane Hutson has among the lowest QoC on your entire team (the only D with lower are Savard and Struble), and has 66% OZ starts. Makar, who you keep comparing him to, has the highest QoC on his team. Hutson also isn't a first pairing defenseman, just a very (very) gifted but sheltered OFD at this stage.

You are in the playoffs because your supporting cast on D (Matheson/Carrier/etc) are far better than ours. Full stop.