News: 2025 RFA offer sheet compensation thresholds revealed

[gstommylee]

Is there a playoff team which has the requisite 1st+2nd+3rd and Cap space? I imagine there is, but maybe not. Anyway, any team who plans to be competitive (not lottery teams) and fits the criteria should be willing to give up the 5x$9.3M.

I think the Leafs should and could match even that, however? Although it would maybe make them sweat just a bit. If they KNOW Marner isn't staying, then that would certainly make it easier.

I don't know that any team should stretch above the $9.3M threshold. So I guess we're just waiting to see how the Leafs do in the playoffs and what Marner thinks about it all? Knies can get that money... and he'd be dumb not to take it... just a question of whether it's from the Leafs or somebody else, right?

also leafs can file for arbitration themselves and the player has a couple weeks to sign one before he is no longer eligable for offer sheets. (same day as the last day a player can file for arbitration themselves.)

is there a playoff that that actually owns their own picks and actually have cap space in order to seriously overplay while still being able to fill out the rest of the roster. If a player doesn't want to sign a OS then they don't have to.

 

[DesertPenguin]

So 8 teams without DAL.

TBL no major RFA
WSH no major RFA + Milano on LTIR
STL Krug not coming back, so more than 10m cap
MTL Price on LTIR
VGK always finds a way and no major RFA (except if somebody wants to go all in for Hague)
COL No major RFA
EDM Bouchard as major RFA but they can go to 9.5 with no problem


NYR true they may be a bit short and have Cuylle Miller so that is two Teams out of 32 at this point.

I'd do 4.6 for Hague. Not exactly all in though.

 

[ref19]

who are the likeliest 9.3M$ targets? Bouchard is the main 1 that comes to mind, i don't think teams want to be throwing out big money like that for players that aren't gonna live up to their contract either

at 9.3M you're basically paying for a great PPG player or top pairing dman

Can't see any team wanting to throw that much at Bouchard. One dimensional d man

 

[Rudy Russo]

Who's the asshole to throw 5 x $9.35M at Knies?

 

[ref19]

Is there a playoff team which has the requisite 1st+2nd+3rd and Cap space? I imagine there is, but maybe not. Anyway, any team who plans to be competitive (not lottery teams) and fits the criteria should be willing to give up the 5x$9.3M.

I think the Leafs should and could match even that, however? Although it would maybe make them sweat just a bit. If they KNOW Marner isn't staying, then that would certainly make it easier.

I don't know that any team should stretch above the $9.3M threshold. So I guess we're just waiting to see how the Leafs do in the playoffs and what Marner thinks about it all? Knies can get that money... and he'd be dumb not to take it... just a question of whether it's from the Leafs or somebody else, right?

Minnesota.

 

[domiwroze]

The 2 obvious target will be NYR and Dallas. Cuylle at 7.0M 4years that also brings him to UFA status, straight kick to the balls of NYR.
The other one that might actually work is Bourque for 4.6M. But i'd expect a team to call Nill before hand a offer a 1st for Bourque so they can sign him to 2.5M 2year bridge instead. Highly doubt they match an OS 4.6M to Bourque. I'd do it from MTL pov.

Does someone throw 9.3M to Vilardi? If 7.0M Jets are happy to match
7.0M Peterka Buf match.
7.0M Mcleod i'd imagine Buf match
7.0M Byram match
4.6M Quinn match
9.3M Knies Leafs match but are forced to let go Marner or Tavares, everyone else wins. Do it Boston.
9.3M Bouchard, EDM match but will need some moves to make it work but nothing major. The issue they have is the number of NMC they gave up in all those signing
Boston match anything to Geekie and Lohrei
NYI match anything to Dobson and Holmstrom
etc

 

[TT1]

The 2 obvious target will be NYR and Dallas. Cuylle at 7.0M 4years that also brings him to UFA status, straight kick to the balls of NYR.
The other one that might actually work is Bourque for 4.6M. But i'd expect a team to call Nill before hand a offer a 1st for Bourque so they can sign him to 2.5M 2year bridge instead. Highly doubt they match an OS 4.6M to Bourque. I'd do it from MTL pov.

Does someone throw 9.3M to Vilardi? If 7.0M Jets are happy to match
7.0M Peterka Buf match.
7.0M Mcleod i'd imagine Buf match
7.0M Byram match
4.6M Quinn match
9.3M Knies Leafs match but are forced to let go Marner or Tavares, everyone else wins. Do it Boston.
9.3M Bouchard, EDM match but will need some moves to make it work but nothing major. The issue they have is the number of NMC they gave up in all those signing
Boston match anything to Geekie and Lohrei
NYI match anything to Dobson and Holmstrom
etc

9.3M for Knies is pretty crazy, i don't see Leafs matching especially with how much they're giving their other forwards, i think they'd rather give 12M to Marner and move Knies

Knies is a solid power winger but he's a winger nonetheless, that's like top 10 winger money

 

[vokiel]

Just curious, would Islanders match 11.7M on Dobson? That's 2x1st, 2nd and 3rd

Probably not, that's a bit insane.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Reminder to everyone on here that technically the calculation for compensation thresholds is done by taking the total value of the contract and dividing it by the number of years on the deal, up to 5 years. You can still give out an offer sheet over 5 years but it may change the threshold.

That means that a 2 year offer sheet totaling 9M would qualify as just a 2nd in compensation (4.5M/year). However, a 7 year deal with an AAV of the same amount would be a total of 31.5M, the compensation calculation for that contract would be 31.5M / 5, not 7. So that would be 6.3M, resulting in the compensation being a 1st + 3rd.

 

[majormajor]

7.0M Peterka Buf match.
7.0M Mcleod i'd imagine Buf match
7.0M Byram match
4.6M Quinn match

We'll have to get Buffalo fans in here to comment on it, but I imagine they would not match on some of these.

Certainly on Quinn I think they would just take the compensation.

Byram and Peterka they should match at $7m but it's the Sabres and you have to wonder.

McLeod at $7m, I have some doubts that they would match, but that's also an unlikely high offer.

 

[MrLunatik]

If the Oilers win the cup, I can see Arvid waiving his NMC to a bubble team with warmer climate.

If he refuses to waive his NMC and forces a buyout, he'll probably get 1.5-2.5m on the FA market... and make more money for that final year from the Oilers and his new contract than he would have originally. He'd be stupid to waive.

 

[MrLunatik]

Reminder to everyone on here that technically the calculation for compensation thresholds is done by taking the total value of the contract and dividing it by the number of years on the deal, up to 5 years. You can still give out an offer sheet over 5 years but it may change the threshold.

That means that a 2 year offer sheet totaling 9M would qualify as just a 2nd in compensation (4.5M/year). However, a 7 year deal with an AAV of the same amount would be a total of 31.5M, the compensation calculation for that contract would be 31.5M / 5, not 7. So that would be 6.3M, resulting in the compensation being a 1st + 3rd.

Just for clarification... take the total value and divide it by the lower of the number of years, or 5.

For instance.... if Bourque is presented 2 offersheets with a cap hit of 4.675m, one of 2 years and one of 8 years... the 2 year offersheet would have compensation of a 2nd round pick as the OS AAV is 4.675... buton the 8 year deal the OS AAV would be 7.48m and the compensation would jump 2 levels and be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd because the total value gets divided by 5 instead of 8.

 

[Djp]

Who's the asshole to throw 5 x $9.35M at Knies?

If the OS is more than 5 yrs, it's the total/5. So a 7yr 7M per OS is 49/5=9.8

Ideally, I think a lot of teams would do that if the cost is only 1st + 3rd. That means you're getting Rossi long term way cheaper than 7, or you'r getting him at 6.8-7 over 5.

I think teams take that as many won't be in the bottom lotto. The issue becomes taking out the teams that don't have the 1st anymore. But even with that, teams would definitely be interested.

Comp is based on total/5 if OS us 6 or 7 yrs

Really? Didn't realize it was so low. They'll definitely qualify him then.

Thise with 4 yrs or more are arb eligible this can cause cap issues when arb says contract should be 4M+

who are the likeliest 9.3M$ targets? Bouchard is the main 1 that comes to mind, i don't think teams want to be throwing out big money like that for players that aren't gonna live up to their contract either

at 9.3M you're basically paying for a great PPG player or top pairing dman

7X7 is adjusted by /5 to be that target.

The 2 obvious target will be NYR and Dallas. Cuylle at 7.0M 4years that also brings him to UFA status, straight kick to the balls of NYR.
The other one that might actually work is Bourque for 4.6M. But i'd expect a team to call Nill before hand a offer a 1st for Bourque so they can sign him to 2.5M 2year bridge instead. Highly doubt they match an OS 4.6M to Bourque. I'd do it from MTL pov.

Does someone throw 9.3M to Vilardi? If 7.0M Jets are happy to match
7.0M Peterka Buf match.
7.0M Mcleod i'd imagine Buf match
7.0M Byram match
4.6M Quinn match

Buffalo has a bunch of RFAs. They will not be able to match them all.
Priority to sign is McLeod and Levi before July 1.

 

[Chainshot]

The 2 obvious target will be NYR and Dallas. Cuylle at 7.0M 4years that also brings him to UFA status, straight kick to the balls of NYR.
The other one that might actually work is Bourque for 4.6M. But i'd expect a team to call Nill before hand a offer a 1st for Bourque so they can sign him to 2.5M 2year bridge instead. Highly doubt they match an OS 4.6M to Bourque. I'd do it from MTL pov.

Does someone throw 9.3M to Vilardi? If 7.0M Jets are happy to match
7.0M Peterka Buf match.
7.0M Mcleod i'd imagine Buf match
7.0M Byram match
4.6M Quinn match
9.3M Knies Leafs match but are forced to let go Marner or Tavares, everyone else wins. Do it Boston.
9.3M Bouchard, EDM match but will need some moves to make it work but nothing major. The issue they have is the number of NMC they gave up in all those signing
Boston match anything to Geekie and Lohrei
NYI match anything to Dobson and Holmstrom
etc

Who in their right mind is offering Jack Quinn 4.6M coming off the season he just had? Fools and their money and all that but come on...

Buffalo would run to the phone to match JJ Peterka at 7M per year. They may run to the phone to match Byram at 7M a year. They would probably would let McLeod go if someone overpaid that much on an OS. And they would fall over laughing at Quinn being offered 4.6M

 

[MrLunatik]

Who in their right mind is offering Jack Quinn 4.6M coming off the season he just had? Fools and their money and all that but come on...

Buffalo would run to the phone to match JJ Peterka at 7M per year. They may run to the phone to match Byram at 7M a year. They would probably would let McLeod go if someone overpaid that much on an OS. And they would fall over laughing at Quinn being offered 4.6M

I don't think 4.6m is ridiculous for Quinn. 15 goals and 39 points usually nets someone ~3.5-4m these days. So offering him 4.6x3 isn't particularly crazy, especially when he can be bought out at 33% for 2 more years.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

If the OS is more than 5 yrs, it's the total/5. So a 7yr 7M per OS is 49/5=9.8

Did you reply to the wrong post orrrr?

 

[Djp]

Who in their right mind is offering Jack Quinn 4.6M coming off the season he just had? Fools and their money and all that but come on...

Buffalo would run to the phone to match JJ Peterka at 7M per year. They may run to the phone to match Byram at 7M a year. They would probably would let McLeod go if someone overpaid that much on an OS. And they would fall over laughing at Quinn being offered 4.6M

You don't need to do a max 2nd comp. You could do a 2 yr 2.7M per and Buffalo might not have thr cap space to match.

 

[Djp]

Did you reply to the wrong post orrrr?

No I don't believe so.

Compensation is based on AAV for contracts 5 yrs or less
For contracts 6 or 7 yrs, the adjusted AAV for compensation is the total/5.

Someone could sign him for 7 yrs at 7M per thinking it's just a 1st and 3rd, instead thr award is based on 49/5=9.8 which comp means 2 1sts,2nd, and 3rd

 

[TLEH]

Who in their right mind is offering Jack Quinn 4.6M coming off the season he just had? Fools and their money and all that but come on...

Buffalo would run to the phone to match JJ Peterka at 7M per year. They may run to the phone to match Byram at 7M a year. They would probably would let McLeod go if someone overpaid that much on an OS. And they would fall over laughing at Quinn being offered 4.6M

Would you trade Jack Quinn to Chicago for a second? If the answer is no, then I would offer sheet him. The money is irrelevant to us. Rather do it to Bourque though I expect teams know its coming and will try and move them at the draft for more.

 

[Canovin]

The league should make things more interesting with. Let's say your team is in possession of their own 2nd round pick and another team's 2nd round pick. They should be allowed to offersheet Mavrik Bourque with their 2nd round pick and offersheet Jack Quinn with another team's 2nd round pick so we can see more entertainment. It'll also make draft picks more valuable.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

No I don't believe so.

Compensation is based on AAV for contracts 5 yrs or less
For contracts 6 or 7 yrs, the adjusted AAV for compensation is the total/5.

Someone could sign him for 7 yrs at 7M per thinking it's just a 1st and 3rd, instead thr award is based on 49/5=9.8 which comp means 2 1sts,2nd, and 3rd

I mean I'm pretty sure all the NHL GMs are aware of this, and my proposal was 5 years for the reasons you mentioned... Which is why I asked if you quoted the wrong post.

 

[BHawk21]

You gotta think any of Calgary LA New Jersey Utah Detriot and Montreal will be offersheeting Knies at 9.3 or Peterka or Vilardi at 7.

 

[Craig Ludwig]

Somebody can get Rossi for 1st+3rd if they want, though probably not a whole lot of teams willing to do that in a McKenna draft.

I think I would go after Knies for 1st+2nd+3rd instead of Rossi

 

[Craig Ludwig]

Just curious, would Islanders match 11.7M on Dobson? That's 2x1st, 2nd and 3rd

No one in their right mind would match $11.7M for Dobson, he's good but not even close to that good.

 

[Craig Ludwig]

its already been said that knies isn't entertaining offer sheets and i doubt anyone offer sheets bouchard cause its not worth the draft picks for the compenstation to even make him entertain bouchard.

No one is gonna give up 4 first round picks for bouchard and no way in heck anyone one is gonna toss a 17.6m 1 year offer.

No one can predict whether Knies will entertain an offer sheet...Of course he's going to say that while playing for the Leafs, come on.