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I trade Girard 10 times out of 10 over Manson. Manson struggles in the regular season then goes nuts in the playoffs, where Girard is great in the regular season then falls apart in the playoffs.
See, I think this is a very, very broad generalization. Once again we're looking at some of the misplays that G had in this series (and yes, even I'll admit he had them) and using those to define his entire run over seven games, it's Vegas all over again. In terms of metrics and production he was pretty much Colorado's best defender. I know some of you will automatically say "well that's why they lost" and I'd agree with you, he should not be the team's best defender, but that doesn't minimize his importance.

I really don't think y'all are prepared for what might happen if they take G out of this lineup and what the long-term consequences are. He does SO much to make the rest of this defensive lineup work.

I am not fully on board the TRADE MANSON wagon, but I think he is indeed the more expendable guy. It's not even him, the player. I like him as a player and as a person, I just can't justify that contract when he gets hurt way too often and way too easily, and when he plays hurt he's simply not effective at all. In fact he's a gigantic liability when not fully healthy, which he rarely is. He's also the guy who would snag more in return for a trade.
 
Dumoulin is a UFA, he’s 33 so I don’t think he’ll cost too much. Maybe 3.5 mill or something. He’s not gonna get you points but he can be solid defensively and he has size. Pair him with Manson
And prepare for that pairing to be trapped in their own zone for multiple shifts.

The one thing I will say about Dumolin is that for a stay-at-home guy, he's been remarkably durable.
 
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See, I think this is a very, very broad generalization. Once again we're looking at some of the misplays that G had in this series (and yes, even I'll admit he had them) and using those to define his entire run over seven games, it's Vegas all over again. In terms of metrics and production he was pretty much Colorado's best defender. I know some of you will automatically say "well that's why they lost" and I'd agree with you, he should not be the team's best defender, but that doesn't minimize his importance.

I think Manson was our best defender alongside Makar(in our zone).

Manson was the usual mean customer and played with massive balls. The game 7 short-handed goal to open the scoring was huge. Also buried an empty netter from 200 feet in game 6.

Manson
Makar
Girard
Toews
Malinski
Lindgren


A wet fart


EJ
 
I think Manson was our best defender alongside Makar(in our zone).

Manson was the usual mean customer and played with massive balls. The game 7 short-handed goal to open the scoring was huge. Also buried an empty netter from 200 feet in game 6.

Manson
Makar
Girard
Toews
Malinski
Lindgren


A wet fart


EJ
I do think Manson was quite good (I feel like he had one bad game but then again, it's hard to find the Avs player not named Landeskog who didn't have a bad game in this series).

And yes, sadly, EJ was a disaster, I'll be shocked if he doesn't finally hang them up. He has to know it's over.

Manson is indeed that rare bird of a big, physical defenseman who's also mobile and has above-average puck skill. If they end up dealing him, it could be bad news if they just plug in some big dude who leans back and tries to block shots.
 
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I've never been anti-Girard, but I'm more open to moving him than I have been in the past.

GFGAGF%
2024-2025596149.2%
2023-2024475147.1%
2022-2023556446.2%
2021-2022615950.8%

Those are the 5v5 numbers the past few years. GF% isn't the end all, be all. But it's not great that the #3 has been in the red three years in a row, albeit only slightly this season. For the record, he was in the green against Dallas (7/6). Furthermore, Manson was in the red big time this season (42.9%), but was in the green the prior two (53.4%, 67.7%).

I've started to see Girard high-event guy. He's been one of the poster children of Colorado's defense for the past decade, with his speed and transition play. But I see him as more of a glue guy than someone who's moving the needle, if that makes sense.

I hope MacFarland takes a swing at a clear upgrade like Gavrikov/Provorov (#bluejacketsconnection), and if he's successful, then flips Girard to replenish some of the draft capital he dumped this year.
 
I do think Manson was quite good (I feel like he had one bad game but then again, it's hard to find the Avs player not named Landeskog who didn't have a bad game in this series).

And yes, sadly, EJ was a disaster, I'll be shocked if he doesn't finally hang them up. He has to know it's over.

Manson is indeed that rare bird of a big, physical defenseman who's also mobile and has above-average puck skill. If they end up dealing him, it could be bad news if they just plug in some big dude who leans back and tries to block shots.
Um.. has anyone told EJ there is an opening for assistant coaches? Give him the old player/coach treatment and instead of him eating nachos for us everynight, he can sit on the bench in a suit. Then on the extreme chance that someone gets injured on the road and we can't get a guy from Loveland up... we'll just dress an extra forward...because we should not be putting EJ back on the ice in a player's uniform ever again.

I love the man... but his time is done. It's a sad thing to see because EJ is a f***ing WARRIOR. He's always been my second favorite Avs dman behind Footer. He, like Landeskog, asked management to NOT trade him. They wanted to BE the solution... and ultimately they were.

EJ, Landeskog, MacKinnon are the Foote, Sakic, Foppa of this generation of Avs. (Makar would be the Borque of this generation had Raymond played for the Avs his entire career and been better at hockey.)
 
Only players that are better than Girard in the d zone are first pairing caliber players. So, again, ain't going to be cheap.

Again, showing that you have zero understanding of why Girard is so valuable to the organization and are just sticking with this "small = bad at defense"
I never said Girard was bad at defense. He’s not great defensively nor bad. He’s decent. Being small will always have moments where he gets outmuscled by bigger physical forwards, there is just no way around that. His best quality is skating and moving the puck. He’s not very good at one on one defending either. He gets walked badly at times.
 
I trade Girard 10 times out of 10 over Manson. Manson struggles in the regular season then goes nuts in the playoffs, where Girard is great in the regular season then falls apart in the playoffs.
Except Girards been more than fine the last two playoff runs. People need to get the Vegas series out of their minds.
 
I've never been anti-Girard, but I'm more open to moving him than I have been in the past.

GFGAGF%
2024-2025596149.2%
2023-2024475147.1%
2022-2023556446.2%
2021-2022615950.8%

Those are the 5v5 numbers the past few years. GF% isn't the end all, be all. But it's not great that the #3 has been in the red three years in a row, albeit only slightly this season. For the record, he was in the green against Dallas (7/6). Furthermore, Manson was in the red big time this season (42.9%), but was in the green the prior two (53.4%, 67.7%).

I've started to see Girard high-event guy. He's been one of the poster children of Colorado's defense for the past decade, with his speed and transition play. But I see him as more of a glue guy than someone who's moving the needle, if that makes sense.

I hope MacFarland takes a swing at a clear upgrade like Gavrikov/Provorov (#bluejacketsconnection), and if he's successful, then flips Girard to replenish some of the draft capital he dumped this year.
Tbf with the Avs goaltending the last couple years GF% could be a little flawed. His xGF% this year was 50.56. SF% was 51.9. CF% 53.26. High danger chances% wan 50.96. In all those metrics he's a net positive. He scored 23ES points this year which is a decent number and we all know he's unreal in the transition game.

This isn't to say that Girards a perfect player and should be untouchable. But the "small=bad" thing is horribly overblown with him. There's a very good chance if he's moved whoever replaces him is a pretty big downgrade because we won't have the cap space or assets to correctly replace him.
 
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Maybe if everyone keeps making fun of the Avs for trading Mikko then Cmac will feel bullied enough to trade for Crosby to make up for it
 
You realize the only offer Dubas would accept is MacKinnon right?
Haha can you even imagine the emotional rollercoaster of reading this on HFAvs:
[Confirmed with link]: Crosby traded to Colorado, for Nathan MacKinnon

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It’s more about what @the_fan said, G isn’t awful but he gets outmuscled a lot in the playoffs, especially in front of the net. It tends to cost this team some goals against.
Yes, we can see where his lack of muscle and size can cost goals at times.

Can you also say how many times he prevents goals from being able to go get the puck in his own zone and quickly getting it out before a sustained attack occurs?

See that’s problem. We can only see when his size costs goals. But no one can quantify how many goals are prevented and never happen because of his retrieval ability.

Here’s the reality with a Girard replacement. He will likely be better defensively but worse with the puck. I don’t see any scenario where we get an upgrade defensively and no loss offensively/transition. Because if there is an upgrade, he’ll be expensive.
 
At this point, I'd rather have some more size for the playoffs than what G brings. Plus, that contract is probably one of the best trade assets we have left. I'd at least float his name and see what we could get.
For sure his name should be floated. He’s a good but not great player on a decent contract, hardly irreplaceable in a vacuum. But his combination of quality and contract cost will be hard to replace or beat imo. If he nets a legit 2c (he won’t imo) then ship him immediately but just to replace him with a maybe on defence doesn’t make much sense imo.

As for the 2c: Nelson, Coyle or Necas are the only realistic options imo that we start with for a 2c next year. I don’t necessarily like those options, especially Coyle, but that’s what I expect.
 
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It’s more about what @the_fan said, G isn’t awful but he gets outmuscled a lot in the playoffs, especially in front of the net. It tends to cost this team some goals against.
So does Manson going full yolo mode with the puck.

I’m not saying that Girard is untouchable or should be. But he gets overly scrutinized because he’s small and people aren’t very objective with him.
 
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