Red Sox/MLB 2025 Off-Season Hot Stove II

I also cannot believe there are still people defending Trevor Story. It was a TERRIBLE signing. Fact.
At this point, he's not going to give them $160 million worth of value. So yeah... it was a bad deal.

I just think that if he's over the injuries, there's a reasonable chance that he could give them a .750+ OPS season with plus defense and somewhere in the neighborhood of 4.0 WAR per season for the rest of his deal.
 
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It was a bad deal the moment someone thought his production at Coors would transfer to any ballpark that's not Coors.

Even worse when you compare it to all the other shortstops that were on the market and how much more value they gave to the teams that signed them.
 
I just think that if he's over the injuries, there's a reasonable chance that he could give them a .750+ OPS season with plus defense and somewhere in the neighborhood of 4.0 WAR per season for the rest of his deal.
He's now another year older trying to come back/recover from injury issues. I understand what you are saying but I can't fault people for thinking he's never going to be healthy again for a full season.
 
I also cannot believe there are still people defending Trevor Story. It was a TERRIBLE signing. Fact.


Huh? Sign all what guys? I hope you're not saying the approach should be just blindly sign all your unproven young players and hope for the best. That's not what should be happening here.
#StoryTime2025

Sign the top kids nnnnnnnnnow !!!!

Crochet
Houck (give him Severino first deal 5/50 or whatever it was)

Brewers did it with their stud prospect & others following

Anthony & Campbell

Take out the check book John Henry !!!!!

Let’s go

Understood.

But he had surgery and it's been repaired. I don't have any reason to believe his elbow will be a significant issue moving forward.
Preach Gator Mike

Story healthy is a 6 WAR player
 
#StoryTime2025

Sign the top kids nnnnnnnnnow !!!!

Crochet
Houck (give him Severino first deal 5/50 or whatever it was)

Brewers did it with their stud prospect & others following

Anthony & Campbell

Take out the check book John Henry !!!!!

Let’s go


Preach Gator Mike

Story healthy is a 6 WAR player

He hasn't been a 6.0 WAR player since 2019.

In fact he's only reached that number twice.

Age 25 - 2018 - 6.2 WAR
Age 26 - 2019 - 7.0 WAR

His next highest numbers are 4.3 (2016) and 4.2 (2021).

Meanwhile, 2021 (142 games) was the last time he even reached 100 games played.

2022 - 94
2023 - 43
2024 - 26

This year will be his age 32 season. Even if---a huge "if"---he's healthy, expecting a 6 WAR is nuts.
 
Preach Gator Mike

Story healthy is a 6 WAR player
I think that's a little bit of a reach. He's not playing 80+ games in Colorado anymore...

I do agree with you about Boston locking up their young talent though. Milwaukee extending Chourio is a perfect example.

I know a lot of Sox fans are not sold on Crochet. They should be. He's gonna be a future Cy Young winner.
 
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Story healthy is a 6 WAR player
Put it on a tshirt

I do agree with you about Boston locking up their young talent though. Milwaukee extending Chourio is a perfect example.
My contention is that's not all the Red Sox should be doing as a way to not spend on free agents. Milwaukee HAS to do what you are describing as their best option for team building.
 
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He hasn't been a 6.0 WAR player since 2019.

In fact he's only reached that number twice.

Age 25 - 2018 - 6.2 WAR
Age 26 - 2019 - 7.0 WAR

His next highest numbers are 4.3 (2016) and 4.2 (2021).

Meanwhile, 2021 (142 games) was the last time he even reached 100 games played.

2022 - 94
2023 - 43
2024 - 26

This year will be his age 32 season. Even if---a huge "if"---he's healthy, expecting a 6 WAR is nuts.
I understand electricity and women more than I understand WAR. And really what is it good for ….

But Story is a great athlete and he looked good in September

#Storytime2025
 
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My contention is that's not all the Red Sox should be doing as a way to not spend on free agents. Milwaukee HAS to do what you are describing as their best option for team building.
Absolutely correct. Milwaukee has to, but its still sound baseball decision making, no matter how big of a market you are. 8yrs for $82mil was what Milwaukee gave Chourio. That's a steal, and Roman Anthony is a guy you take a similar kind of risk on..
 
Absolutely correct. Milwaukee has to, but its still sound baseball decision making, no matter how big of a market you are. 8yrs for $82mil was what Milwaukee gave Chourio. That's a steal, and Roman Anthony is a guy you take a similar kind of risk on..
Well, weren't the Red Sox gonna take Duran to arbitration over 500k? They did lock up Raffaela and Bello but that wasn't huge money really. If Roman Anthony turns out to be the guy everyone thinks he'd be crazy to take the typical Red Sox low ball offer.
 
Well, weren't the Red Sox gonna take Duran to arbitration over 500k? They did lock up Raffaela and Bello but that wasn't huge money really. If Roman Anthony turns out to be the guy everyone thinks he'd be crazy to take the typical Red Sox low ball offer.
I'm not a Sox fan, and I have no idea what their front office was thinking, however low ball arbitration offers are NOT specific to them. MLB teams do it all the time, and the players hate it.

Milwaukee did it to Burnes after he won the Cy Young. He wanted $10.8mil, Milwaukee offered $10mil. Burnes lost, was vocal about it, and that crushed any remote chance Milwaukee had to keep him long term. Makes no sense to me either, but it happens alot.

For what its worth, I think Anthony is gonna be a waaaay better MLB player than Raffaela.
 
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I'm not a Sox fan, and I have no idea what their front office was thinking, however low ball arbitration offers are NOT specific to them. MLB teams do it all the time, and the players hate it.

Milwaukee did it to Burnes after he won the Cy Young. He wanted $10.8mil, Milwaukee offered $10mil and Burnes lost. Makes no sense to me either, but it happens alot.
Maybe, I just think it's an especially bad look for big market teams who charge top dollar for tickets and throw out a bad product year after year now. The Red Sox sit 14th in payroll for 2025. To me that is borderline criminal when you can't even say "well we don't have to spend more because we have a damn good team".


Even if you eliminate the Dodgers as the true outlier these numbers are embarrassing to me. Over $100m gap between Red Sox and Mets/Yankees/Phillies. The argument always seems to be "they'll spend when their young players are ready and the team is good". The unfortunate piece of this is the team is never good so it's an endless cycle of false hope.
 
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Maybe, I just think it's an especially bad look for big market teams who charge top dollar for tickets and throw out a bad product year after year now. The Red Sox sit 14th in payroll for 2025. To me that is borderline criminal when you can't even say "well we don't have to spend more because we have a damn good team".


Even if you eliminate the Dodgers as the true outlier these numbers are embarrassing to me. Over $100m gap between Red Sox and Mets/Yankees/Phillies. The argument always seems to be "they'll spend when their young players are ready and the team is good". The unfortunate piece of this is the team is never good so it's an endless cycle of false hope.
I get your point, but I look at it from a different angle, because I'm a fan of a small market team.

I find it really interesting how Sox fans are so hung up on how much team payroll is year after year. Its really unique to Sox fans and I think they go a little overboard about it, TBH. Sure they can overpay for a guy like Bregman and jack the payroll a little more, but then if he gets injured, or struggles we're back to having the conversations you're currently having about Story and Yoshida and how they're overpaid. Its kind of a no-win situation. As for ticket prices, sure they're high. But to be honest, everything is freaking expensive in New England....I don't think that's specific to the Red Sox. Curious to see where the Pats, Celtics and Bruins rank as well.

My perspective is that at the end of the day, teams should try to assemble the best possible talent at the best value that they can (unless you're the Dodgers and are out to ruin MLB's salary structure). The definition of "value" is highly variable though. But then, that's why we have discussion boards.....
 
Maybe, I just think it's an especially bad look for big market teams who charge top dollar for tickets and throw out a bad product year after year now. The Red Sox sit 14th in payroll for 2025. To me that is borderline criminal when you can't even say "well we don't have to spend more because we have a damn good team".


Even if you eliminate the Dodgers as the true outlier these numbers are embarrassing to me. Over $100m gap between Red Sox and Mets/Yankees/Phillies. The argument always seems to be "they'll spend when their young players are ready and the team is good". The unfortunate piece of this is the team is never good so it's an endless cycle of false hope.

They keep telling us to wait for the prospects yet have spent all off-season trying to trade Casas.
 
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He's now another year older trying to come back/recover from injury issues. I understand what you are saying but I can't fault people for thinking he's never going to be healthy again for a full season.
He had an elbow issue that cost him the 2nd half of 2022 and the first four months of 2023. That's been successfully repaired.

He broke his left shoulder diving for a ball in 2024.

Completely unrelated injuries.

Story healthy is a 6 WAR player
No.

That's nuts.
 
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He had an elbow issue that cost him the 2nd half of 2022 and the first four months of 2023. That's been successfully repaired.

He broke his left shoulder diving for a ball in 2024.

Completely unrelated injuries.
I'm not sure why it matters that the injuries aren't related. Is he on a no dive program this season? And guys who have elbow surgery have needed surgery on same elbow again. It happens. But whatever, he is their plan so we'll see how this goes.
 
Maybe, I just think it's an especially bad look for big market teams who charge top dollar for tickets and throw out a bad product year after year now. The Red Sox sit 14th in payroll for 2025. To me that is borderline criminal when you can't even say "well we don't have to spend more because we have a damn good team".


Even if you eliminate the Dodgers as the true outlier these numbers are embarrassing to me. Over $100m gap between Red Sox and Mets/Yankees/Phillies. The argument always seems to be "they'll spend when their young players are ready and the team is good". The unfortunate piece of this is the team is never good so it's an endless cycle of false hope.
AL up for grabs and you spend 100 mil less thank the Yankees. Pathetic
 


While most places have Campbell ranked above Meyer, McDaniel has them flipped with Meyer coming in at No. 4 in the sport and Campbell all the way down to No. 26. It's Campbell's swing that dropped him.

"The real issue now is that his swing doesn't fit into how many teams believe swings need to work at the big league level," McDaniel wrote. "Using Javier Baez's well-known bat tip toward the pitcher as a point of comparison, Campbell keeps the bat almost perfectly vertical at foot plant but doesn't tilt it much toward the pitcher. This creates a slightly longer path for the barrel into the hitting zone and, more importantly, a tough mechanical balance of entering the hitting zone steeply but flattening out by contact, hopefully with some loft, especially when pulling the ball. That's a really tough balance and unique series of movements.
 



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