2025 NHL Playoffs

[Hey234]

If there's one thing these playoffs have taught me, it's that the Ducks should stay the hell away from Mitch Marner. Absolute liability come playoff time.

Lol. The whole team cratered. Marner was not the only player who struggled. It's very clear that the pressure of performing in Toronto, or really any Canadian market, is challenging. I will happily take the 100+ point winger and hope someone like Quenneville in a quiet market can fix that.

 

[The Duck Knight]

Lol. The whole team cratered. Marner was not the only player who struggled. It's very clear that the pressure of performing in Toronto, or really any Canadian market, is challenging. I will happily take the 100+ point winger and hope someone like Quenneville in a quiet market can fix that.

Is he a 100 point winger without the talent he's surrounded by in Toronto? Is he worth 14 million per year? Are any wingers worth that much?

Not one person on here to my knowledge has said he's not a good player. That has never been a dispute. The issue is he's not the guy you give 7x14 to if you're trying to build a Cup winner.

 

[Hey234]

Is he a 100 point winger without the talent he's surrounded by in Toronto? Is he worth 14 million per year? Are any wingers worth that much?

Not one person on here to my knowledge has said he's not a good player. That has never been a dispute. The issue is he's not the guy you give 7x14 to if you're trying to build a Cup winner.

Why? He's one of the most consistent producers in the NHL regular season. His defense metrics are very strong, and he's widely considered an excellent defender. His points away from Matthews are very good. He is almost PPG in the playoffs in arguably the most intense and pressure filled cities. The cap is increasing massively. He is worth 7x14, qnd the Ducks would be missing a huge opportunity not to sign him.

 

[Deuce22]

Lol. The whole team cratered. Marner was not the only player who struggled. It's very clear that the pressure of performing in Toronto, or really any Canadian market, is challenging. I will happily take the 100+ point winger and hope someone like Quenneville in a quiet market can fix that.

A 100+ point winger with the Leafs isn't that everywhere, especially not with what the Ducks skill guys have been dealing with. The context with Marner is everything. He's a 100+ point winger playing with Matthews, Nylander, Taveras, etc. on an elite power play. He's a pass first player that has finishers around him. His point totals are largely a product of his environment.

 

[Hey234]

A 100+ point winger with the Leafs isn't that everywhere, especially not with what the Ducks skill guys have been dealing with. The context with Marner is everything. He's a 100+ point winger playing with Matthews, Nylander, Taveras, etc. on an elite power play. He's a pass first player that has finishers around him. His point totals are largely a product of his environment.

I'm not really sure that's accurate. Playing with good players helps, but to say his success is mostly a product of his environment is underselling his own abilities. He's a very talented player. Rantanen played with Mackinnon, and he's found success on other teams. Why couldn't Marner? Also, are the players on this team not capable of improving and being successful? He would most like play with Gauthier who just scored a bunch at the World's.

 

[Deuce22]

I'm not really sure that's accurate. Playing with good players helps, but to say his success is mostly a product of his environment is underselling his own abilities. He's a very talented player. Rantanen played with Mackinnon, and he's found success on other teams. Why couldn't Marner? Also, are the players on this team not capable of improving and being successful? He would most like play with Gauthier who just scored a bunch at the World's.

I didn't say he wasn't talented. He is. I said his point totals were inflated by his environment. I wouldn't pay him like a 100+ point winger. Because he wouldn't be that if he were a Duck.

 

[The Duck Knight]

I'm not really sure that's accurate. Playing with good players helps, but to say his success is mostly a product of his environment is underselling his own abilities. He's a very talented player. Rantanen played with Mackinnon, and he's found success on other teams. Why couldn't Marner? Also, are the players on this team not capable of improving and being successful? He would most like play with Gauthier who just scored a bunch at the World's.

You know what the difference between Rantanen/Mackinnon and Marner/Matthews is? The former maintain or elevate their production in the playoffs. The latter have a dip in their playoff production as opposed to the regular season. And the Rantanen argument is a weird one because he was not good in Carolina albeit a short stint, but it just shows that fit does matter. What does a perimeter playmaker look like without a 60 goal scorer next to him?

 

[SirQuacksALot]

I'm probably reading way too much into some things. I'm in favor of signing Marner. Not for $14m, but in general yes.

After the 4 Nations Marner made some comments about Crosby being a great Captain and keeping things positive even when the game isn't going their way. That leads me to believe the Leafs locker room culture is an issue. With his contract he bears some responsibility for leadership, but he doesn't wear a letter so it is tough to parse how much blame for that is his. A change of scenery to a team that has a veteran leader, isn't in win-now mode, doesn't have the media pressure, and where he'd be given the puck a ton could be the right recipe for him and us. The team could use the offensive punch and there aren't many UFA options for us in 2026. Maybe his playoff performance could an issue*, but we have to make those to begin worrying about them.

*He does have 12 points in 11 games this postseason, and was above a PPG two years ago as well. I don't think he's "clutch" or whatever, but IMO his lackluster playoff performances are a bit blown out of proportion by the Toronto media.

 

[Bender66]

Marner doesn't seem like PV kinda guy. There's a reason Rantanen's nickname is moose ... and Marner's ... isn't.
I'd rather Ducks spend that kind of money on guys who can take over the game even when the physicality and intensity ratchet up over a guy who makes blind backhand passes into neutral zone because his internal clock has been sped up by constant barrage of Panthers beating on them for an entire series.

 

[LePerilsofPerreault]

Yikes Thompson

Caps had 30+ SOG in their first 2 playoff games and then had less than 30 in their next 8

 

[70sSanO]

Marner doesn't seem like PV kinda guy. There's a reason Rantanen's nickname is moose ... and Marner's ... isn't.
I'd rather Ducks spend that kind of money on guys who can take over the game even when the physicality and intensity ratchet up over a guy who makes blind backhand passes into neutral zone because his internal clock has been sped up by constant barrage of Panthers beating on them for an entire series.

Marner cannot carry a team because he is not a goal scorer.

His points are not too impressive as a wing with less than 30 goals. He hit 35 goals once and 30 once. Every other season he is sub 30 goals. Not the wing I want.

As for the whole Toronto team failing to produce in the playoffs, well if most of your points are assists they are dependent on the goal scorers.

If he didn’t have finishers around him he might be a 70 point player. Put him on a line with Ryan Strome and he might only get 50 points.

The Ducks need goal scorers, Marner is not a goal scorer, he is a point accumulator.

John

 

[JAHV]

Gabe Vilardi needs to figure out how to put the puck in the net.

 

[Big Fat Rebound]

It is crazy than other than the 2018 run of destiny, Alex Ovechkin has never been past the second round of any other postseason

 

[Mr Rogers]

That was a really uninspiring game for the Caps.

 

[Big Fat Rebound]

Jamie Benn still bitch-made I see.

 

[Unholy]

A rare +1 agreement for Whitney

 

[AngelDuck]

I have to be honest, Winnipeg has arguably been better than Dallas in this series.

If Hellebuyuck was better they could win that series. Has to be frustrating for their fans

 

[The Duck Knight]

I have to be honest, Winnipeg has arguably been better than Dallas in this series.

If Hellebuyuck was better they could win that series. Has to be frustrating for their fans

Dallas has not really played all that well all playoffs. They got absolutely demolished chance wise by Colorado and only survived because of that superhuman Rantanen performance in 6 and 7.

 

[AngelDuck]

Dallas has not really played all that well all playoffs. They got absolutely demolished chance wise by Colorado and only survived because of that superhuman Rantanen performance in 6 and 7.

Interesting data, thx. Most of it matches the eye test for me.

Oilers have been really really good since the 2nd game against LA and Winnipeg could be a sleeper still in the west - it’s all up to Hellebuyuck for them.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Oilers have been unreal since for a while now. Could be the team of destiny

 

[Mr Rogers]

Just a huge play by Marner and Matthews. Especially Marner

 

[Unholy]

Just a huge play by Marner and Matthews. Especially Marner

Nice play by him to get it to Matthews. Bob probably wants a go at that shot again

 

[2faded]

Florida looks nervous. Every single person that touches the puck fumbles it and turns it over.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Wow. Game 7 in TO

 

[2faded]

Idk if it's a good sign for TOR that they could only score 2 goals. That was some of the worst hockey I've seen these playoffs from the Panthers. I only got to see most of the 3rd but that was awful hockey. Idk if I'd bet on them playing that bad again.