2025 NHL Entry Draft

2025 draft pick (not Hagens)

  • Roger McQueen (C)

  • Michael Misa (C/W)

  • Matthew Schaffer (LHD)

  • Ivan Ryabkin (C)

  • Porter Martone (RW)

  • Anton Frondell (C)

  • other (who?)


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SannywithoutCompy

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The draft thread is becoming a Desnoyers love-in. I will say one thing that will make me look like a hater.

IMHO, Desnoyers ceiling is Danault 2.0. He's great all over the ice, has great character and leadership abilities, is great on the dots, but he is lacking a natural point producing/scoring touch.

For me, at this time, he is a DND before pick 11. The Habs need a center, that is at least equal to Suzuki, to help him carry the offensive load. I just don't see that ability in Desnoyers.
I would actually push back against this - not on your evaluation of his projection, which I think is mostly correct, but on your assessment of our needs.

Desnoyers becoming Danault 2.0 would be perfect for our group. The first line is set, but we need a big LHC down the middle that can act as the defensive responsibility and playmaker between Laine and Demidov. Desnoyers I think would fit that like an absolute glove.
 

WeThreeKings

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The draft thread is becoming a Desnoyers love-in. I will say one thing that will make me look like a hater.

IMHO, Desnoyers ceiling is Danault 2.0. He's great all over the ice, has great character and leadership abilities, is great on the dots, but he is lacking a natural point producing/scoring touch.

For me, at this time, he is a DND before pick 11. The Habs need a center, that is at least equal to Suzuki, to help him carry the offensive load. I just don't see that ability in Desnoyers.

You'll find if you evaluate the class beyond the top 4, Desnoyers is as good as any other prospect or center in the class.

There isn't a potential 1C outside of Misa and Hagens. Desnoyers and Frondell are the next two and they are both very similar.
 

JadedRandom

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You'll find if you evaluate the class beyond the top 4, Desnoyers is as good as any other prospect or center in the class.

There isn't a potential 1C outside of Misa and Hagens. Desnoyers and Frondell are the next two and they are both very similar.

Like you I'd have Desnoyers roughly on the same level as Frondell. More precisely, they'd be 7th and 8th on my list right now if Ryabkin hadn't crapped the bed to start the year and if McQueen also hadn't re-aggravated an herniated disk in his back early in the season.

But since we live in a world in which McQueen's health is uncertain and Ryabkin has experienced an "Aatu Raty type" of downward turn as a prospect, I currently would have Frondell 5th on my list, and Desnoyers 6th.

As for there having no potential #1 centers available in this year's draft after Misa and Hagens, I respectfully disagree.

Though they may not be nearly as "shoe-in" as Misa and Hagens (not even in the same stratosphere), I believe that both Frondell and Desnoyers (McQueen and O'Brien too) have #1 center upside if they reach their absolute top potential.

The problem is that both Frondell and Desnoyers will be picked very high at the draft, thus requiring significant draft pick investment, that McQueen's health scares me (would require lots of validations by team doctors to approve a top-10 draft pick selection for me), and that O'Brien's floor is VERY low considering how raw he looks at times defensively as a centerman.

So yeah, Misa/Hagens would be amazing, Frondell/Desnoyers too, but McQueen and O'Brien would need a lot of faith/scouting.

In the NHL I'd argue that our biggest hole is at 2C, but in our prospect pool we already have several guys that could potentially fill that role with positive development (Hage, Beck, Kapanen).

So I'd say that our true highest current need in our prospect pool would be RD considering that Mailloux has kind of stalled this season and that Reinbacher might have trouble recovering from that devastating knee injury he suffered in preseason.

Just, a thing that I find really unfortunate for us is that my three top-ranked defenders so far in this year's draft (Schaefer, Smith, and Aitcheson) are all left-handed defensemen.

And the options on RD get thin pretty quickly once the likes of Hensler and Fiddler (Mrtka too but I don't like his game that much) are off the board so that might not work out very well on that front for us.

Unrelated, but a guy that I think is underrated that we could potentially manage to nab late-first would be someone like Nesbitt.

He has "+" size, shows some nice skills for a big guy, plays a good, principled type of game as a center, and though I don't love his skating it also isn't anywhere near as bad as guys like Bill Zonnon or Nathan Behm.

Nesbitt could be worth a shot if we decide to go for something else than a center with our first pick.
 
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Playmaker09

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I would actually push back against this - not on your evaluation of his projection, which I think is mostly correct, but on your assessment of our needs.

Desnoyers becoming Danault 2.0 would be perfect for our group. The first line is set, but we need a big LHC down the middle that can act as the defensive responsibility and playmaker between Laine and Demidov. Desnoyers I think would fit that like an absolute glove.
Exactly.

We need guys who tilt the ice 5v5 and/or can play shutdown minutes. PP1 is set.

If we were in the playoffs tomorrow, what three forwards are we sending out against Kucherov/Matthews/Pastrnak?
 

HuGort

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The draft thread is becoming a Desnoyers love-in. I will say one thing that will make me look like a hater.

IMHO, Desnoyers ceiling is Danault 2.0. He's great all over the ice, has great character and leadership abilities, is great on the dots, but he is lacking a natural point producing/scoring touch.

For me, at this time, he is a DND before pick 11. The Habs need a center, that is at least equal to Suzuki, to help him carry the offensive load. I just don't see that ability in Desnoyers.
How would you develop him? Where you see Desnoyers playing next season? He's dominating the Q, little sense in sending him back. Be wasted year. Not ready for NHL. Can't send him to minors at 18. Swiss or Swede league?
 

Anardil

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How would you develop him? Where you see Desnoyers playing next season? He's dominating the Q, little sense in sending him back. Be wasted year. Not ready for NHL. Can't send him to minors at 18. Swiss or Swede league?

I don't think that sending him back to the Q for his D+1 season would be a negative thing. It would benefit him I think, to be part of the Canadian team in next year's WJC.
 
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red devil

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How would you develop him? Where you see Desnoyers playing next season? He's dominating the Q, little sense in sending him back. Be wasted year. Not ready for NHL. Can't send him to minors at 18. Swiss or Swede league?
He could go to the NCAA now with the new agreement between the CHL and the NCAA
 
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Hins77

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The draft thread is becoming a Desnoyers love-in. I will say one thing that will make me look like a hater.

IMHO, Desnoyers ceiling is Danault 2.0. He's great all over the ice, has great character and leadership abilities, is great on the dots, but he is lacking a natural point producing/scoring touch.

For me, at this time, he is a DND before pick 11. The Habs need a center, that is at least equal to Suzuki, to help him carry the offensive load. I just don't see that ability in Desnoyers.
I would say he has better offensive tool than Danault. Danault was PPg the year he been draft. Desnoyers should be around 100 pts. Danault is like the 6th best player of a contender. Desnoyers is like the 3rd or 4th best player of a contender.
 

Artaud

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Desnoyers is on a steep upwards trajectory and getting better as the season goes on. He will most likely lead a deep playoff run, perhaps all the way to the memorial cup. If the trend continues, he could prove himself dominant in the playoffs (by all accounts his character is A+) and I would not be surprised if he ends up a top 5, dare I say top 3 lock by the draft rolls around.

At that point, I would be really sad because the Habs likely won't be in position to get him, unless another Demidov scenario happens...
 

WeThreeKings

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Desnoyers is on a steep upwards trajectory and getting better as the season goes on. He will most likely lead a deep playoff run, perhaps all the way to the memorial cup. If the trend continues, he could prove himself dominant in the playoffs (by all accounts his character is A+) and I would not be surprised if he ends up a top 5, dare I say top 3 lock by the draft rolls around.

At that point, I would be really sad because the Habs likely won't be in position to get him, unless another Demidov scenario happens...

The top 4 is very unlikely to be cracked by anyone else in the class. I like Desnoyers a lot but there's no indication he has the offensive upside of Martone Misa or Hagens. Schaefer is a legitimate 1 OA threat as well.
 

Ezpz

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The top 4 is very unlikely to be cracked by anyone else in the class. I like Desnoyers a lot but there's no indication he has the offensive upside of Martone Misa or Hagens. Schaefer is a legitimate 1 OA threat as well.
So what I am reading is telling me we are picking 5th with all the elite talent off the board.
 

Boyon90

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Im really hoping for Desnoyers. We have to get him.

We wont be top 4
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Artaud

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The top 4 is very unlikely to be cracked by anyone else in the class. I like Desnoyers a lot but there's no indication he has the offensive upside of Martone Misa or Hagens. Schaefer is a legitimate 1 OA threat as well.
Lots of hockey left to be played. Look at Sennecke last year. My point is that Desnoyers can get himself in that mix by ending the season with killer playoffs. He has winner written all over him, I would not surprised if he steps it up a notch when it matters, and his team is built to win.
 

crosbyshow

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I would not be surprise that a dude like Desnoyers in the end would bring more for his team that a guy like Martone
 

WeThreeKings

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Lots of hockey left to be played. Look at Sennecke last year. My point is that Desnoyers can get himself in that mix by ending the season with killer playoffs. He has winner written all over him, I would not surprised if he steps it up a notch when it matters, and his team is built to win.

Sennecke played his way up, but that's because the draft was pretty open after Celebrini.

Its like it wouldn't have mattered what Leonard did in his draft year, he wasn't gonna displace the top of that class. Bedard Carlsson Fantilli had the pedigree and started off on fire.

He can make himself the clear 5, though.
 

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