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I think McQueen's a much more promising as a prospect than Vilardi was. The injuries are a BIG concern, there's no getting around it.

BUT, if the team's doctors deem McQueen healthy and his back problems are behind him, then - in a draft class like this one - he's easily a top-five talent. IF his back injuries were to ever arise again, well that's on the team's medical st

The way I see this draft is simple:
Top tier guys are Schaefer, Misa, Hagens and Martone.
McQueen would be part of this but injury issues…
Second tier is guys like Frondell, Desnoyers, O’Brien

We do not want Martone really due to him being a winger. We aren’t getting Misa that’s for sure. That leaves us with Hagens, McQueen as the next top 2 available centres.

Now having said that, I imagine the tier 2 guys could carve out a very good NHL career, but I do not see any of them becoming a true number 1 centre. Whereas I could see that happening with McQueen and Hagens. Also as scoresberg mentioned, I could see Hagens be a winger as well in the NHL potentially.

So if we aren’t getting Misa, why not go for the next best “potential” centre in the draft?? Barring his medical check out, he’s a no brainer pick for us I feel.

People keep saying we can’t afford to screw this pick up. I say they are wrong. I say swing for the fences and maybe get that stud centre we have been craving forever. If not then we do it again next season when we stink again.
… or we draft Frondell or a tier 2 guy and we just end up with another Kemell or Wood in the system more or less.

Just my two cents. But I think we need to go big or go home here.
Personally I would rather trade the pick to another team for a young centre with first line potential rather than draft a tier 2 guy.

Is it end of June yet?!?!
Maybe you are right but the overwhelming consensus is that you are not.

Schaefer and Miss are clear consensus top 1-2.

Then Martone, Hagens, Frondell and Desnoyers are the next band. No consensus on order.

McQueen MIGHT be in that group if he didn’t have back issues. His risk is higher and his reward is not clearly higher; consequently it would be a shock if he goes before any of those guys. Preds do not need to take that risk.
 
Maybe you are right but the overwhelming consensus is that you are not.

Schaefer and Miss are clear consensus top 1-2.

Then Martone, Hagens, Frondell and Desnoyers are the next band. No consensus on order.

McQueen MIGHT be in that group if he didn’t have back issues. His risk is higher and his reward is not clearly higher; consequently it would be a shock if he goes before any of those guys. Preds do not need to take that risk.
After severely underperforming expectations, gutting the development pipeline on Trotz' whims, and ending the season with a roster that looked like some leftovers that had sat in the back of the fridge for 6 months, ending with the unjustifiable and ridiculous post-season PC that everything was going perfectly to Barry's plan and Barry was sticking with Barry's plan, it would be supremely abusive of the fans for this team to top it all off taking a wild flyer on a kid in the draft for the shins and grits of it. It really is not too much to ask that Barry does something vaguely resembling any other NHL GM here.
 
Maybe you are right but the overwhelming consensus is that you are not.

Schaefer and Miss are clear consensus top 1-2.

Then Martone, Hagens, Frondell and Desnoyers are the next band. No consensus on order.

McQueen MIGHT be in that group if he didn’t have back issues. His risk is higher and his reward is not clearly higher; consequently it would be a shock if he goes before any of those guys. Preds do not need to take that risk.
Frondell and Desnoyers are a tier below Hagens and Martone. Almost all experts are saying this. I personally will not be happy with Frondell or Desnoyers because neither has the IT factor. Hagens has it, Martone has it (but we don’t need winger), Misa has it, Schaefer has it, MCQUEEN has it. Period.

If we draft Frondell or Desnoyers we have another Matt wood or Kemell. Wouldn’t you rather risk it on a guy we do not have a prospect like that in our pipeline? We do NOT have a prospect like McQueen, or Hagens. Once Misa goes, those are the next best centres. And Hagens may even end up winger as scoreberg mentioned.

“IF” McQueen checks out medically before the draft, and we get a chance to draft him, and pass for a guy like frondell or desnoyers…. It’ll be very deflating to have gone through this season and then just suck up another prospect that could be good but not great.
Just my two cents.
 
Frondell and Desnoyers are a tier below Hagens and Martone. Almost all experts are saying this. I personally will not be happy with Frondell or Desnoyers because neither has the IT factor. Hagens has it, Martone has it (but we don’t need winger), Misa has it, Schaefer has it, MCQUEEN has it. Period.

If we draft Frondell or Desnoyers we have another Matt wood or Kemell. Wouldn’t you rather risk it on a guy we do not have a prospect like that in our pipeline? We do NOT have a prospect like McQueen, or Hagens. Once Misa goes, those are the next best centres. And Hagens may even end up winger as scoreberg mentioned.

“IF” McQueen checks out medically before the draft, and we get a chance to draft him, and pass for a guy like frondell or desnoyers…. It’ll be very deflating to have gone through this season and then just suck up another prospect that could be good but not great.
Just my two cents.
I don't think McQueen has that it factor as you say more than the others you named Well just have to disagree. I think when he played he was playing against lesser players is what I've read and put that with his injury concerns and I believe he has to many red flags to risks taken him at 5. We can't afford to take that risk. Frondell is playing in a men's league already so that's my pick if Hagens isn't available. I'm still on the phone with Utah to see if they wanna move down a spot to secure hagens. I'd even reach out to the isles as well to try and get Misa. Do I think trotz will? I don't I have no faith in his decision making
 
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I don't think McQueen has that it factor as you say more than the others you named Well just have to disagree. I think when he played he was playing against lesser players is what I've read and put that with his injury concerns and I believe he has to many red flags to risks taken him at 5. We can't afford to take that risk. Frondell is playing in a men's league already so that's my pick if Hagens isn't available. I'm still on the phone with Utah to see if they wanna move down a spot to secure hagens. I'd even reach out to the isles as well to try and get Misa. Do I think trotz will? I don't I have no faith in his decision making
So again, I just think people have to be cautious with the wishful thinking they are attaching to a guy who is a 6’5” center. Yes, the measurements are enticing. But…

McQueen was born 2 weeks from being eligible for last year’s draft. So he has 3 seasons already under his belt in junior. 125 games. 85 points. Or even the 71 in 70 from the last 2 seasons. The numbers don’t measure up vs many many other players in this draft, some almost a year younger than him.

So yes, there are still mitigating arguments in terms of being on a somewhat weaker team, plus not getting into a groove due to injuries. I also like that he was competitive in scoring with Misa and Martone in scoring in the Hlinka a couple years ago (albeit Catton and Ritchie out scored them all). Still, I don’t entirely dismiss that the unimpressive raw numbers he has put up are missing some part of his story.

Just saying, it adds another question mark on top of the injury one.
 
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If you think that guy is going to be something special then you take that risk, but if he is just going to be another Wilson/Smith type then you don't. By special I don't even mean Crosby or McDavid level, I mean a step below that. If you don't think McQueen can be that level than its too much risk to take imo.
 
If you think that guy is going to be something special then you take that risk, but if he is just going to be another Wilson/Smith type then you don't. By special I don't even mean Crosby or McDavid level, I mean a step below that. If you don't think McQueen can be that level than its too much risk to take imo.
Someone is going to have McQueen high on their board and that could be to the Predators advantage from a trade down perspective. Say someone like the Sabers have him high on their list and want to trade up. Then maybe Trotz can get a good trade down package.
 
Someone is going to have McQueen high on their board and that could be to the Predators advantage from a trade down perspective. Say someone like the Sabers have him high on their list and want to trade up. Then maybe Trotz can get a good trade down package.
Don't want to trade down from the top 5, as for Buffalo maybe if it's Power, but they have 2 centers under 25 and neither have hit 55 points.
 
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Don't want to trade down from the top 5, as for Buffalo maybe if it's Power, but they have 2 centers under 25 and neither have hit 55 points.
I was just throwing them out there as an example maybe Philly, Boston, and Buffalo get into a bidding war or something. I was just saying maybe McQueen would be too tempting for someone.
 
Don't get too cute with it. If McQueen is the guy, even if projected to go lower, you take him at 5. You try to get cute and trade down to 7, 8, 9 and one of those teams then takes him before us we're going to look real stupid (well, stupider than usual).

You take our guy at 5 and only consider trading down if you think you're getting a better asset by doing so. We need higher-level talent, a package of lesser assets doesn't get us where we need to be
 
Unless you plan to go full off the board you don't trade back. I'm talking taking Fiddler 5th overall type of thing. Otherwise, you run a real risk of not getting who you really want. Just take the player we want and be done with it
I know some of us don't want a D at all and a G would be a new level of dumb, but you look at our prospect pipeline and we really can't go wrong with any of C, F, or D. We need significant upgrades in talent across the lineup. Just take the kid with the most talent and the highest upside. Picking an eventual bust because he's got a freak skill (like he can land a quad axle or has a long neck) will set us back even more.
 
I know some of us don't want a D at all and a G would be a new level of dumb, but you look at our prospect pipeline and we really can't go wrong with any of C, F, or D. We need significant upgrades in talent across the lineup. Just take the kid with the most talent and the highest upside. Picking an eventual bust because he's got a freak skill (like he can land a quad axle or has a long neck) will set us back even more.
Definitely need all positions. Some areas are more thin than others but we don't exactly have young prospects in any position really demanding NHL time. I would definitely go C with the 1st pick. I'm hoping we don't go McQueen but realize it could pay off if things go right. Unfortunately for us, that hasn't happened as of late so he probably busts if we draft him. Outside of that I prefer D the rest of the 1st and early 2nd but if we draft more C in there I won't be upset (depending what D are still on the board). Grab a G in the late 2nd or 3rd round. But players at that point are a crapshoot anyways so meh
 
Question for all you here: do you go Hagens at fifth if there's a good chance (over 50%) he's a winger in the NHL?
 
Question for all you here: do you go Hagens at fifth if there's a good chance (over 50%) he's a winger in the NHL?
Tough one for me. His offensive ability is still great either way though. I won't be upset either way but I'd be bummed if he didnt make it as a center. Gotta also remember that his competition with this club for a center spot isn't exactly amazing.
 
Question for all you here: do you go Hagens at fifth if there's a good chance (over 50%) he's a winger in the NHL?
Yes, but I think a key ingredient in him staying at center is simply his team’s willingness to proactively use him as a center. He has all the traits necessary to stick at center. But we know how NHL coaches are… the GM needs to override any tendencies on that front for the long term good of the franchise.
 
I mean this team is at the point where you need to get the best player you can get. Even if he is just a winger you are going to need someone at least as good as Forsberg at some point.

I'd rather have a great winger than a mediocre center picking that high in the draft.
To add to this point. Say you get a winger who can be a difference maker like a Kaprisov, he's going to make whatever C he's playing with all that better too. Remember Trotz comparing Edstrom to JEE? Imagine you get a difference making W with a C like Edstrom and now you have something to build upon. Is it the classic way of doing so, not really but if you make your team better and competitive, that's all that matters.

I'd still rather have a true 1C but sometimes you get what you get.
 
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Yes, but I think a key ingredient in him staying at center is simply his team’s willingness to proactively use him as a center. He has all the traits necessary to stick at center. But we know how NHL coaches are… the GM needs to override any tendencies on that front for the long term good of the franchise.
For the record, I also think he can be a center in the NHL. But he's going to be a Hughes-lite, Cooley-type. I think with Hughes, he's listed as a center but doesn't have all the responsibilities a normal center has. With Cooley, I don't know, I think he might be a pure center.

But 5-11 centers are RARE in the NHL so if his development doesn't hit near perfectly, he's more likely to end up as a winger. A talented one, though.
 
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