Is it drafting the right kid or developing that kid the right way or is it the kid? Has to be a combination of all 3 and the Preds really suck at the developing part. So then do the other 2 parts fall apart? IDTS because when those kids leave and play for another team they seem to do pretty well. Heck is seems like almost half of the Wilds team are ex-Preds. Well Tomasino played well that first time up and then when put back to the Ads he basically fell apart from then on.
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The ones that don't know or remember Brian Finley are showing themselves. Hell, Chet Pickard or even Magnus Hellberg.
Rinne was taken 258th overall and Saros at 99th overall. We have Mitch Korn back for a reason.
Rinne was taken 258th overall and Saros at 99th overall. We have Mitch Korn back for a reason.
101st_fan
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At #5 the Preds have to wonder who near the top of their list remains ... Frondell, O'Brien, Hagens, Desnoyers, Martone? Who checks the boxes for Utah and Chicago after Schroeder and Misa likely go 1 and 2?
With three picks from 26 thru 35 there are options to grab some talent up front, on the blue line and to start restocking the goalie cupboard that is lacking. Who slips down and what our scouts push for a reaching pick ... too early to tell. Ravensbergen could very well be off the board by then but if he's available at #26 I wouldn't be surprised to see him picked. That still leaves Fiddler as a potential target with a late first round pick so we get Vern on the dad's trip.
With three picks from 26 thru 35 there are options to grab some talent up front, on the blue line and to start restocking the goalie cupboard that is lacking. Who slips down and what our scouts push for a reaching pick ... too early to tell. Ravensbergen could very well be off the board by then but if he's available at #26 I wouldn't be surprised to see him picked. That still leaves Fiddler as a potential target with a late first round pick so we get Vern on the dad's trip.
Armourboy
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Korn was here when those picks were made as well. If you are going to give him credit for Rinne and Saros he also has to eat some of the blame for the bad ones.
The scouting staff gets 100% of the credit for Pekka. He was the backup on his team (behind Nick Backstrom) and got limited playing time, but one of the scouts went to watch him in practice and realized how talented he was.
While I think you're right about the NHL level I believe it also starts in Milwaukee. They are pushing every player to be a great 2 way player. While being a 2 way player is important I believe they focus more on the defensive part than offensive part. Tolvanen even mention he had no idea what they wanted from him after he was traded. Fiala was also vocal when traded about how he was being developed. They draft offensively gifted players and try to turn them into grinders. We never had a player really light it up in Milwaukee as long as I can remember. Zhl was probably the best one but he wad already a physical defensive player. Now to your point on the NHL level development, that is also terrible because these young players are never put into a positive to succeed. It took alost all year for Evangelista to get top 6 minutes. We don't give our young players any kind of opportunity and it they make a mistake the get benched or even demoted to the press box and possibly traded for a 4th rounder. I believe the root of the issue is deeper than coaching or even Nichol and our development staff if you ask me. It's our front office thinking. Trotz is just poile in another body. Same thinking. Push players to be grinders never give opportunity unless they are earned which in their eyes they will never earn it until they are older. And they never bring up younger players unles they are forced to with injuries. Looking around the league Wyatt Johnston was a 19 year old getting almost 16 minutes a game playing with other top 6 players while we give our 22 year Olds 10-13 minutes a game playing with grinders and wonder why they ain't successful
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Preds are in great shape, or at least not worse shape, picking 5th.
Schaefer,Misa
Then some combo of Hagens, Frondell, Martone, Desnoyers. Each has drawbacks for us but plenty of upside and we will get our choice of at least two of them. And I don’t think anyone, scouts or otherwise, have a good bead on which of those 4 ends up the best player.
And god forbid the Preds like McQueen or Martin or O’Brien as much or more, you could trade back 2-4 spots for more draft capital.
Schaefer,Misa
Then some combo of Hagens, Frondell, Martone, Desnoyers. Each has drawbacks for us but plenty of upside and we will get our choice of at least two of them. And I don’t think anyone, scouts or otherwise, have a good bead on which of those 4 ends up the best player.
And god forbid the Preds like McQueen or Martin or O’Brien as much or more, you could trade back 2-4 spots for more draft capital.
What do we know of what is actually being coached in Milwaukee? Sure, they would coach players to round out their game but that doesn't mean they're being coached to play like it's the early 2000s. The players seem to come up from Milwaukee and have success then Nashville management seems to crush them. Each player is their own individual conversation but there has definitely been some through threads with Trotz/Brunette.
I'm not going to bother with the historical crap of Poile and any of his scouts, coaches, or front office personnel. It just doesn't matter anymore.
Scoresberg
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Yeah, O'Brien's the biggest DO NOT DRAFT candidate for me. The guy put up 98 points but ended up being a minus player on a good team. That's not good. His production was mainly on the PP and his 5-on-5 numbers are very average.
BIG red flag in the top-ten, let alone top-five.
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To be fair, every player does have to learn at least some basic 2-way play. I think when you look at Fiala and Tolvanen in particular, then yes those are purely cases of NHL-level problems. Although not necessarily development problems, because they have both turned out to be decent NHL players.
They had Tolvanen working on his 2-way game in Milwaukee, because yes, he came in as a one-trick pony, stand and shoot, and that wasn't going to cut it. Where he got confused is that he took that instruction to heart, actually became a very industrious 2-way player, showed that he was one of our best back-checking players, and also surprisingly added a level of physical involvement that I never expected from him. So he was rightly confused when he did everything they asked, showed it at the NHL level, and then the NHL staff STILL ignored it and discarded him.
Whereas Fiala was just too individualistic as a player. Too talented to stay in the AHL forever, too stubborn to change his style, but then again at the NHL level the Preds simply could not choose to maximize his talent and allow him to play his game unfettered. We fans were all a little frustrated with him too, all the times he'd try to stickhandle through opponents instead of making passes or the smart plays. So he got traded. I don't know if he's a very different player even now, just when you get a big enough salary teams are going to feel obligated to give you more icetime than was the case when he was younger. And I think we at least got "market value" at the time when we traded him. So I don't really look at Fiala as that much of a development failure per se. He was again more of a "fit" failure. I remember watching him in the WJC that year and deciding I wanted to take him in my FHL, even before he became a Pred. Just on the skill he put on display. Except he was EXACTLY the same kind of player at 17, individualistic and always trying to do too much, as he was 5 years later when the Preds traded him. If you don't like a player who plays that way, DON'T DRAFT THEM. Every once in a while you can change a player - like we did with Tolvanen! - but that's rare. Don't pick guys thinking you are going to be able to do that.
Legit question I don't know the answer to, but which of our realistic targets was the most productive at 5v5? I feel some level of preference to this by our scouts when comparing players in a similar target area.
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Yeah and I would also argue if you trust Korn to let him pick the guy he thinks he can develop the best and go from there. The reality is that the most likely result of any late first round pick is that they are a replacement level player at best so the arguments about our previous goaltender busts don't really sway me. Blum and Parent were late first round picks that busted too but few would make the argument we shouldn't pick a defenseman just because they were busts.
Scoresberg
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I don't have the data on-hand here, but Hagens has to be up there. He had only like 5-6 PP points all year in BC, as their PP was abysmal to put it nicely.
glenngineer
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I'm going to say it's our drafting that's been our biggest issue. Top 6 forwards we've drafted over the years:
Legwand
Hartnell
Erat
Fiala
Radulov
Smith (borderline, being generous)
Arvidsson
Wilson (borderline for sure, being generous again)
Outside of Fiala, Radulov and Hartnell who went on to better things after they left here, who did we move, let go that turned into something valuable in the top 6? Tolvanen is a bottom 6 winger. That leads me back to the question, who have we drafted that we missed on and turned into a valuable player elsewhere other than who I mentioned.
We've drafted and developed enough D and G to know we can draft and develop those types of players. All this to say, I'm going to go with we have a tough time identifying forwards who can turn into legit top 6 talents.
Legwand
Hartnell
Erat
Fiala
Radulov
Smith (borderline, being generous)
Arvidsson
Wilson (borderline for sure, being generous again)
Outside of Fiala, Radulov and Hartnell who went on to better things after they left here, who did we move, let go that turned into something valuable in the top 6? Tolvanen is a bottom 6 winger. That leads me back to the question, who have we drafted that we missed on and turned into a valuable player elsewhere other than who I mentioned.
We've drafted and developed enough D and G to know we can draft and develop those types of players. All this to say, I'm going to go with we have a tough time identifying forwards who can turn into legit top 6 talents.
Does this sound like someone who is still on the team? Many fans said the same thing about him, and some still do. With the stickhandling that is. Sometimes it works but many times it does not. Dude is still on the team tho.
Armourboy
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Hornquist and he went on to score the GWG against us in the SCF. Peverly also exploded after he left here. Dunno if we drafted him but the guy that blew up for Vancouver this season could be included ( my mind is drawing a blank for some reason atm. )
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QMJHL finals are in Victory+. Good chance to see Desnoyers, who just made beautiful play to set up goal. Moncton is also where our former 3rd MacKinnonn plays. Molendyk and 2026 top prospect McKenna team Medicine Hat is in whl finals, which are also available to watch free on victory +.
Only final as are on too, so if anyone wants to watch Gibson that will be on tonight.
Heard someone on XM explaining that Frondell plays in a man's league so his numbers aren't as great but that's the same league Forsberg played in and they said he went lower because of those numbers. That who I think I'd prefer
Unfortunately, the Preds organization beats any creativity and goal scoring out of young players to try to turn them all into 200 ft defensively responsible forwards. Maybe they should just skip drafting goal scorers and go straight to the defensively responsible forwards right out of the gate.
Armourboy
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They have tried that too, they just end up being Austin Watson.
AintLifeGrand
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Frondell is out producing Forsberg comparatively in their respective draft years.
Forsberg: 43 games played 17 pts (8g 9a)
Frondell: 29 games played 25 pts (11g 14 a)
A lot of people have compared Frondell to Forsberg as well
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