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NoNecksCurse said:
I guess no one else finds it hilarious that we are going to grab 1-2 goalies when we just had an elite goalie prospect in Askarov. This franchise is cursed.
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I think we still would have needed to. If we had kept Askarov, then he'd basically be in the NHL. And we would have either lost him to Expansion in a couple years, or not signed Saros to the same contract and eventually lost Saros instead. Either way, it wouldn't have addressed the overall organizational depth situation.

So instead now we have Annunen, and he doesn't really look like a long-term successor. And Chrona, who looks like an AHLer? None of our other prospects seem all that promising? Haider may be decent in the minors, but nobody is predicting an NHL future for him. Looks like Jatkola has bombed out and won't be signed. Milota is coming along... next year will be a big one for him, he seems to have temporarily lost the crease to an overager down the stretch in the Q this year, only to re-gain it in the playoffs. Hrabal understandably had the net in the WJC for the Czechs, so Milota was 3rd string. But Milota should be in a good position to challenge for WJC starter next year? Anyway, he's not a big guy, but at least the jury is still out on him, whereas things seem to be about closed on the rest of our guys. This means looking ahead 3,4,5 years, yes, we need to keep the goalie pipeline stocked.

Generally speaking, I would have been in favor of picking goalies where you retain rights longer, like guys heading to NCAA. I wonder how that will play out now with NCAA taking in ex-junior players? Goalie picks are the most voodoo of all the draft crapshoots, so the longer you can stretch out the evaluation/development cycle the better. I wouldn't be against taking one of the higher-rated goalie prospects earlier in the draft, but it also depends on who you have a hunch on later. Definitely don't spend those early picks on a goalie if you have any late round steal candidates on your scouting radar! (Rinne/Saros)
 
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I think pretty much every team should be drafting a goalie almost every season anyway, even if it's just a longshot 6-7th round pick. They take so long to develop and they're almost always a crapshoot, might as well make sure you have a steady stream of G prospects in the various stages of development. You can have 6-7 in the NHL/AHL/ECHL, then another 1-2 in college and junior, and another 1-2 in europe. That many goalies at different points of their development can span an entire decade and if you end up with too many you can always flip them for something, although not as much as a decent F or D will return.
 
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Legionnaire11 said:
I think pretty much every team should be drafting a goalie almost every season anyway, even if it's just a longshot 6-7th round pick. They take so long to develop and they're almost always a crapshoot, might as well make sure you have a steady stream of G prospects in the various stages of development. You can have 6-7 in the NHL/AHL/ECHL, then another 1-2 in college and junior, and another 1-2 in europe. That many goalies at different points of their development can span an entire decade and if you end up with too many you can always flip them for something, although not as much as a decent F or D will return.
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Agreed. Unless you already have a couple who are really looking good on the way. Then I guess if you feel you are covered for the next bit, you could skip some years. That's not us atm.
 
Legionnaire11 said:
I think pretty much every team should be drafting a goalie almost every season anyway, even if it's just a longshot 6-7th round pick. They take so long to develop and they're almost always a crapshoot, might as well make sure you have a steady stream of G prospects in the various stages of development. You can have 6-7 in the NHL/AHL/ECHL, then another 1-2 in college and junior, and another 1-2 in europe. That many goalies at different points of their development can span an entire decade and if you end up with too many you can always flip them for something, although not as much as a decent F or D will return.
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1 a year is fine. We should not be taking a goalie in any of the first 3 rounds. We just signed Saros to a long-term deal. Take late-round fliers on goalies, which has always been a draft strategy. Signing stop gaps as backups for the NHL is the norm.

If the organization feels the need to draft two goalies and possibly one in the first round or two, then we should shop Saros and trade him. You cannot have it both ways. NoNeck either believes in Saros as the man for the next 8 years or he doesn't. We have no prospects that project to be game changers at forward. This organization cannot develop forwards. They should be taking as many picks early on forwards and defenseman. Because somehow, even our defense is awful. Molendyk is the only prospect worth being excited for. Wood is clearly on the bust trajectory. Edstrom as a 3C? Svechkov has had some flashes.
 
NoNecksCurse said:
1 a year is fine. We should not be taking a goalie in any of the first 3 rounds. We just signed Saros to a long-term deal. Take late-round fliers on goalies, which has always been a draft strategy. Signing stop gaps as backups for the NHL is the norm.

If the organization feels the need to draft two goalies and possibly one in the first round or two, then we should shop Saros and trade him. You cannot have it both ways. NoNeck either believes in Saros as the man for the next 8 years or he doesn't.
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I don't believe this is the way to go. Just because we have Saros signed for 8 more years is no guarantee of anything. Maybe he sucks or goes LTIR, maybe things change that open up a trade or buyout, who really knows. I think you should ALWAYS want to have a successor in the pipeline, regardless. A dumb contract doesn't change that.

So when it comes to the Draft, it just comes down to your list. Do you see a really good goalie prospect (say Ravensbergen or Ivankovic) falling a little lower, and you like them, and nobody else on your list is that enticing, do you have some sneaky back-pocket later round goalie prospect ideas lined up, etc. I don't think you automatically rule out taking a goalie early. But it just depends on your scouting.

NoNecksCurse said:
We have no prospects that project to be game changers at forward. This organization cannot develop forwards. They should be taking as many picks early on forwards and defenseman. Because somehow, even our defense is awful. Molendyk is the only prospect worth being excited for. Wood is clearly on the bust trajectory. Edstrom as a 3C? Svechkov has had some flashes.
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I don't know if I'd say Wood is "on the bust trajectory"? He hasn't been quite as good as originally hoped, but there is still a bit of hope there? I also think Surin is trending VERY well. He's probably my #2 prospect atm behind Molendyk? It's almost a toss-up really for #1? :dunno:
 
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Rimouski won in the Q last night, fwiw. They are the host team for the Mem Cup. So this means Moncton (Desnoyers' team) is IN no matter what. Both teams will make the Memorial Cup, regardless of how the Q finals play out.

I should say... that was a 2OT Game 7 win for Rimouski, so must have been quite a treat for fans of that team. :handclap:
 
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glenngineer said:
Picked #25 overall. Context is everything.
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McCarron isn't the right comparable for McQueen. All those other Tall Prospects I quoted above are.

Kirby Dach / Logan Brown / Dylan Cozens / Cody Glass / Michael Rasmussen

Although McCarron is another example of just how much of a hard-on NHL GMs have for SIZE in general. Just in a lower tier of the draft. There are countless examples on that front over the years.
 
Porter Stoutheart said:
I don't believe this is the way to go. Just because we have Saros signed for 8 more years is no guarantee of anything. Maybe he sucks or goes LTIR, maybe things change that open up a trade or buyout, who really knows. I think you should ALWAYS want to have a successor in the pipeline, regardless. A dumb contract doesn't change that.

So when it comes to the Draft, it just comes down to your list. Do you see a really good goalie prospect (say Ravensbergen or Ivankovic) falling a little lower, and you like them, and nobody else on your list is that enticing, do you have some sneaky back-pocket later round goalie prospect ideas lined up, etc. I don't think you automatically rule out taking a goalie early. But it just depends on your scouting.


I don't know if I'd say Wood is "on the bust trajectory"? He hasn't been quite as good as originally hoped, but there is still a bit of hope there? I also think Surin is trending VERY well. He's probably my #2 prospect atm behind Molendyk? It's almost a toss-up really for #1? :dunno:
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1. Fink
2. Wood
3. Surin
4. Molendyk
5. Nilsson
 
Porter Stoutheart said:
I don't believe this is the way to go. Just because we have Saros signed for 8 more years is no guarantee of anything. Maybe he sucks or goes LTIR, maybe things change that open up a trade or buyout, who really knows. I think you should ALWAYS want to have a successor in the pipeline, regardless. A dumb contract doesn't change that.

So when it comes to the Draft, it just comes down to your list. Do you see a really good goalie prospect (say Ravensbergen or Ivankovic) falling a little lower, and you like them, and nobody else on your list is that enticing, do you have some sneaky back-pocket later round goalie prospect ideas lined up, etc. I don't think you automatically rule out taking a goalie early. But it just depends on your scouting.


I don't know if I'd say Wood is "on the bust trajectory"? He hasn't been quite as good as originally hoped, but there is still a bit of hope there? I also think Surin is trending VERY well. He's probably my #2 prospect atm behind Molendyk? It's almost a toss-up really for #1? :dunno:
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Too much hope around our forwards panning out to be game changers. You either are or aren't one.

I just looked up 3 guys who were drafted outside the first round and all three played a total of 26 games in the AHL. All 3 are game changers. I don't get the need to marinate guys in the AHL. If they have skills and can learn at the NHL level, go for it. Stop trying something that has never worked.

As far as goalies go, it's why we have Korn - to develop kids we pick in the later rounds so we don't waste early picks that could be used for our other needs.
 
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Porter Stoutheart said:
McCarron isn't the right comparable for McQueen. All those other Tall Prospects I quoted above are.

Kirby Dach / Logan Brown / Dylan Cozens / Cody Glass / Michael Rasmussen

Although McCarron is another example of just how much of a hard-on NHL GMs have for SIZE in general. Just in a lower tier of the draft. There are countless examples on that front over the years.
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I think you missed my point, comparing McQueen at #3 to a guy picked late in the first round is not a good comparable. Where they were or could be drafted is what I was referring to.
 
glenngineer said:
Too much hope around our forwards panning out to be game changers. You either are or aren't one.

I just looked up 3 guys who were drafted outside the first round and all three played a total of 26 games in the AHL. All 3 are game changers. I don't get the need to marinate guys in the AHL. If they have skills and can learn at the NHL level, go for it. Stop trying something that has never worked.

As far as goalies go, it's why we have Korn - to develop kids we pick in the later rounds so we don't waste early picks that could be used for our other needs.
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"Game changers"? What do you mean? Wood might still be a decent NHLer? I don't have a lot of hope on that front, but I don't think ANYBODY in our current prospect group was EVER projected as a "game changer"?

It doesn't mean they won't be useful NHL players, however. "Game changer" is a really high bar, and I don't know why you would introduce that term? :dunno:
 
weeze said:
I am just not sure GMBT or Brunno knows what to do with a top pick anyways. Overcook in AHL to then play as 4th line grinder for a few years seems to be BT MO. I sure that changes or this will be a long year...
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Well, they have never had a top pick so far, so I guess we don't REALLY know. :dunno:

They had a bunch of Poile-picks and maybe Trotz doesn't really respect his former boss as much as he should, but whether he does or not is not really the point... he has sure been on a warpath to liquidate a lot of Poile's picks. For whatever reason.

Trotz seems to think he's a hockey genius. I won't be surprised if the guys HE picks are treated a little differently? :dunno:
 
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Glass is who I would compare to McQueen. Glass was 6th overall. Glass ended up with all sorts of injury issues that hampered development. When he is healthy for an extended period, you can get glimpses of why he was drafted early. Unfortunately, he is almost never healthy for extended periods. Overall, I think McQueen has a ton of talent but his health risks would keep me from drafting him with our 1st.
 
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herzausstein said:
Glass is who I would compare to McQueen. Glass was 6th overall. Glass ended up with all sorts of injury issues that hampered development. When he is healthy for an extended period, you can get glimpses of why he was drafted early. Unfortunately, he is almost never healthy for extended periods. Overall, I think McQueen has a ton of talent but his health risks would keep me from drafting him with our 1st.
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Same, if he's there with Vegas' pick then it's a good gamble.
 
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Soundgarden said:
Same, if he's there with Vegas' pick then it's a good gamble.
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Agreed. If we can grab him with one of our later 1st or move up the Tampa pick at a reasonable cost to grab him mid teens, then I'm game.

I've seen mocks with us getting one of Hagens, Desnoyers, O'Brian, Frondell, or McQueen. Mcqueen is the only one that I'd be worried about. Everyone else is probably a pretty decent choice at 5th overall but I can also see Trotz rating McQueen highly and picking him. It could pay off or it could be a complete waste of our best pick since Seth Jones.
 
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