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Of f***ing course we fall to 5.
 

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Scoresberg said:
Obviously it's not the ideal outcome but in this specific draft, I'm ultimately not sure how much it affects the level of player we're going to add.

Let's say that after the Big Two (Misa, Schaefer) the picks from 3 to 6 are pretty wide-open and you can pretty much make an argument for any player in that range to be picked at 3 or at 6.
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That's where I'm at. There was hope for top 2, but reality that top 5 still gives us a much needed player. Now if Trotz goes off the rails it's a different story.
 
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Flgatorguy87 said:
That's where I'm at. There was hope for top 2, but reality that top 5 still gives us a much needed player. Now if Trotz goes off the rails it's a different story.
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Yeah, after all we're going to end up one of Hagens, Frondell or Desnoyers. Is drafting at five what I hoped for? No, but as I said, in this draft it doesn't make a huge difference whether you're picking at three or at five.
 
So I think Hagens falls to you guys, (Chicago takes Martone or Frondell and Utah won't take him because their GM has a size fixation) and as someone who watched Hagens a lot this year, I think he's a really special player and almost certainly a future 1C.
 
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wickedwitch said:
So I think Hagens falls to you guys, (Chicago takes Martone or Frondell and Utah won't take him because their GM has a size fixation) and as someone who watched Hagens a lot this year, I think he's a really special player and almost certainly a future 1C.
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It's certainly possible. Hagens has been dropping in some expert mocks lately whereas Desnoyers' has made a steady rise. Whoever we end up, I'm going to be fine with. It's development that happens after the draft I'm worried about.
 
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AintLifeGrand said:
Desnoyers is being projected as a #1 center by multiple respected pundits

Desnoyers would be the best home grown prospect we have ever had
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Desnoyers’ game really hasn’t changed too much from the beginning of the year, which makes his recent rise on draft boards everywhere a bit confusing to us, but there’s no denying his skillset. An adept passer and very smart offensive zone player who also initiates contacts and resists physical pressure remarkably well, Desnoyers fills most of the boxes when it comes to what NHL teams look for in a center. To us, him being sold as this two-way force doesn’t really track, as he’s often not as involved as he could be in defensive zone, and we also don’t think the skill level is at a top 10 level. A middle 6 center projection for Desnoyers is what to us feels the most reasonable. We find it unlikely that his style of play, which lacks a dynamic quality, totally translates at a number one center level in the best league in the world. His game would need to change. (Thomas Gagné)”

Not everyone and others also have him out of the top ten
 
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Gnashville said:
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Desnoyers’ game really hasn’t changed too much from the beginning of the year, which makes his recent rise on draft boards everywhere a bit confusing to us, but there’s no denying his skillset. An adept passer and very smart offensive zone player who also initiates contacts and resists physical pressure remarkably well, Desnoyers fills most of the boxes when it comes to what NHL teams look for in a center. To us, him being sold as this two-way force doesn’t really track, as he’s often not as involved as he could be in defensive zone, and we also don’t think the skill level is at a top 10 level. A middle 6 center projection for Desnoyers is what to us feels the most reasonable. We find it unlikely that his style of play, which lacks a dynamic quality, totally translates at a number one center level in the best league in the world. His game would need to change. (Thomas Gagné)”

Not everyone and others also have him out of the top ten
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There are also rankings where Frondell doensn't fit in the top-ten. All the more evidence how wide-open this draft is after the top-two.
 
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Gnashville said:
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Desnoyers’ game really hasn’t changed too much from the beginning of the year, which makes his recent rise on draft boards everywhere a bit confusing to us, but there’s no denying his skillset. An adept passer and very smart offensive zone player who also initiates contacts and resists physical pressure remarkably well, Desnoyers fills most of the boxes when it comes to what NHL teams look for in a center. To us, him being sold as this two-way force doesn’t really track, as he’s often not as involved as he could be in defensive zone, and we also don’t think the skill level is at a top 10 level. A middle 6 center projection for Desnoyers is what to us feels the most reasonable. We find it unlikely that his style of play, which lacks a dynamic quality, totally translates at a number one center level in the best league in the world. His game would need to change. (Thomas Gagné)”

Not everyone and others also have him out of the top ten
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Draft bust written all over him
 
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Scoresberg said:
Hagens to Chicago is possible, however I think unlikely. They have Bedard and Nazar as their 1-2 -punch down the middle for the future, so I doubt they'd go for Hagens. They need size up front. Frondell and Martone make sense there.

Utah has Keller, Cooley, Iginla and Schmaltz. Adding Hagens to that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Unless Isles swing for the fences with Hagens at 1OA (hometown pick), I think there's a good shot he's going to drop.
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Schmaltz can play right wing and will most likely get moved if Utah needs cap space
 
Gnashville said:
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“
Desnoyers’ game really hasn’t changed too much from the beginning of the year, which makes his recent rise on draft boards everywhere a bit confusing to us, but there’s no denying his skillset. An adept passer and very smart offensive zone player who also initiates contacts and resists physical pressure remarkably well, Desnoyers fills most of the boxes when it comes to what NHL teams look for in a center. To us, him being sold as this two-way force doesn’t really track, as he’s often not as involved as he could be in defensive zone, and we also don’t think the skill level is at a top 10 level. A middle 6 center projection for Desnoyers is what to us feels the most reasonable. We find it unlikely that his style of play, which lacks a dynamic quality, totally translates at a number one center level in the best league in the world. His game would need to change. (Thomas Gagné)”

Not everyone and others also have him out of the top ten
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Smaht scouting is ok, but far less credible compared to Pronman and Wheeler who both had him projecting to be #1 centers in their latest rankings which came out today

Wheeler compared him to Nico Hischier, which if pans out, would be the best center this team has ever seen
 
Desnoyers was the No. 1 pick in the 2023 QMJHL Draft after a run to a silver medal at the Telus Cup (Canada’s under-18 championship) and captaining Quebec at the Canada Winter Games. He was one of the top young players in the Q as a rookie last season, regularly playing 20 minutes per game as a forward for a good Wildcats team, and wore a letter for the gold medal-winning Canada White at under-17s as well as for Team Canada at the Hlinka. I thought he had a tough time as a center in a limited role at U18 worlds (despite registering five points in five games) last spring and his numbers didn't pop out of the gate this season, but he has been one of the best players in the QMJHL for the six months and has really elevated his game — and, importantly for scouts, his production — as the top forward on the top team in the QMJHL. That has been stamped yet again by an outstanding playoff run that has seen him play to two points per game, too. He’s a good-sized center with room to add muscle, and scouts love him as a projectable top-six center who plays a smart, detailed, well-rounded two-way game with good skill, smarts and poise.

Desnoyers is competitive and has great habits. He’s committed to playing defense, supporting pucks, staying in good positions and not cheating for offense. He gets glowing reviews as a kid and winner that people gravitate around. He’s opportunistic and gets open really well. He involves himself in play, he can carry and hold pucks or play off his linemates in give-and-gos, he’s got a real feel for the game offensively and he’s consistently impactful. While he’s not a dynamic skater or individual creator, I see plenty of skill and have seen him make plenty of plays (including a Michigan goal and a ton of high-IQ plays in tight/in traffic) and he’s a better skater than his older brother Elliot, a Philadelphia Flyers prospect, was at the same age. He's firmly in the top-five conversation now for NHL clubs, and while he doesn’t have the skill or skating of Misa or Hagens, if he can add a little more pace, he’s going to have a long career as an important center who contributes to winning on good teams. He has had a very comparable QMJHL career and impact to Nico Hischier and Pierre-Luc Dubois, who were both top picks. He’s more Hischier than PLD, too.
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Btw Desnoyers is 4th overall , higher than Hagens and in a higher tier as well per Pronman who has him at
Tier 2
Bubble NHL All-Star and top of the lineup player
 
Scoresberg said:
There are also rankings where Frondell doensn't fit in the top-ten. All the more evidence how wide-open this draft is after the top-two.
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I can agree with that we have almost 2 months to stew over this pick and the 4 others in the top 60 but I would rather take Martone personally. Frankly I can see Trotz taking a Defenseman like Jackson Smith just to piss off the fans more!! He’s not even hiding how he feels about being fired the first time and just wants us with pitchforks and torches
 
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Btw Desnoyers is 4th overall , higher than Hagens and in a higher tier as well per Pronman who has him at
Tier 2
Bubble NHL All-Star and top of the lineup player
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Careful falling in love with a kid just to have him not picked by them. We were crazy for Barkov in 2013 and know what happened there. I want Martone but am not going to get excited thinking he will be picked by Trotz. Also getting another Nico Hischier is not exactly exciting given Nico is basically David Legwand 2.0
 
Scoresberg said:
Hagens to Chicago is possible, however I think unlikely. They have Bedard and Nazar as their 1-2 -punch down the middle for the future, so I doubt they'd go for Hagens. They need size up front. Frondell and Martone make sense there.

Utah has Keller, Cooley, Iginla and Schmaltz. Adding Hagens to that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Unless Isles swing for the fences with Hagens at 1OA (hometown pick), I think there's a good shot he's going to drop.
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Really hope you're right man. If we can end up with hagens at 5 it would be a win in my book.
 
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Viqsi said:
Now repeat this same feeling about 9 times (double that if you include merely not moving up) and that's your taste of part of what it's like to be a Blue Jackets fan.

It's not the complete experience, of course, 'cause nobody's died yet. So, hey, we've got that going for us here. Well, the rest of y'all do, anyways. :biglaugh: :cry:
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Columbus has a good young team that is only gonna get better. Nashville has a bad old team that is only gonna get worse. I'd take Columbus's future over nashvilles easily
 
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Gnashville said:
Careful falling in love with a kid just to have him not picked by them. We were crazy for Barkov in 2013 and know what happened there. I want Martone but am not going to get excited thinking he will be picked by Trotz. Also getting another Nico Hischier is not exactly exciting given Nico is basically David Legwand 2.0
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David Legwand never put up this stat line

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Bye Bye Blueston said:
But you don’t know where pick will be. I can’t see trading 5 for next year pick.
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A trade down and getting a first next year is what I meant. Go from 5 to 11 with Pittsburgh and get one of the 2 1st they have with some protection from them like San Jose did! Maybe throw in Vegas’s 1st this year too sweeten the deal. Something like that
 
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