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Flgatorguy87 said:
There are enough later targets this year that I agree. If there was some crazy drop off and it was devoid of any players who had top line upside its a worth discussion. I think there are several late 1st guys that could be meat of the lineup types...maybe not all star type guys, but guys you need to build your roster. Not every top line player is an all start level, some are just giving you positionally average production for their slot and minutes. We have a current gap in that area with most of our guys not hitting expectations for top line, 2nd line, etc. It would be nice to just get back to hitting production value for where these guys are being deployed.
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The reason people are bringing this up as McQueen's certainly not just another "later target". He's a legit top-ten, top-five talent in this draft - if healthy. And that's a big IF.
 
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Scoresberg said:
The reason people are bringing this up as McQueen's certainly not just another "later target". He's a legit top-ten, top-five talent in this draft - if healthy. And that's a big IF.
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The health risk makes me hesitant to trade up for him. Don’t want to waste 3 bullets on guy who is questionable. Top 10 talent though. Hard to see him slipping by Montreal at 16/17, as they can afford risk.
 
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Scoresberg said:
The reason people are bringing this up as McQueen's certainly not just another "later target". He's a legit top-ten, top-five talent in this draft - if healthy. And that's a big IF.
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probably did a poor job explaining it, but I think his upside is better than anyone in the late 1st for comparison, but I agree with Porter in that to me this year there are enough targets in the range we are drafting that we can still find a difference maker without missing out on all those picks to get McQueen. It really just depends on how you weigh his risk or hitting his development.
 
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Scoresberg said:
The reason people are bringing this up as McQueen's certainly not just another "later target". He's a legit top-ten, top-five talent in this draft - if healthy. And that's a big IF.
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Exactly. It's the only reason I'd entertain it. He's a boom or bust opportunity. If he can be healthy he would be a lock for a top 3 pick in this year's draft without a doubt.

I think that is worth the assets personally.
 
Flgatorguy87 said:
probably did a poor job explaining it, but I think his upside is better than anyone in the late 1st for comparison, but I agree with Porter in that to me this year there are enough targets in the range we are drafting that we can still find a difference maker without missing out on all those picks to get McQueen. It really just depends on how you weigh his risk or hitting his development.
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And I am not basing it just on injury concerns with McQueen either. We really have no idea if those are still relevant or not, because the Cone Of Silence has descended on that front, and I'm sure it will remain in place at least until the Combine (June 1-7 in sunny Buffalo, NY).

McQueen just doesn't seem to have a history of performing as more than about a PPG player in junior yet, even when he has played. He's BIG, that's for sure, and has pretty reasonable skills for his size, but you're still doing a whole of projection with him that he can start to become a truly dominant player even in junior, which is what he'd need to be in order to warrant all this "top-5 skills" kind of talk. He's simply not at that level. Yet... ok. He might get there next season, we'll see. Also, he's late-birthdate 2006, already has 3 years in the WHL, so the runway is shorter for him suddenly blossoming into this big top scoring #1C type of player.

Anyway, it's all just coming from reading through his prospect thread and clicking on a few videos and links, but from that I just don't see it. I do know how people like to fantasize when they see the 6'5" listed beside pretty much any center with a modicum of skills though. Which is mostly what I'm seeing happen with him.
:GWC:
 
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Flgatorguy87 said:
If we draft at 5 and Hagens falls because of whatever reason, I think I'll be perfectly content to take him.
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I'll probably be "content" with any of Hagens, Frondell, Desnoyers, or even Martone, I guess. I'm not 100% confident in Misa, but he seems like the only one in this draft who has a clearer projection as a potential star forward than the others. Others could get there with another year of development, but it's murkier.

I think all of them have a reasonable floor, however, so I think even if we get "just" a decent #2C, or one of them ultimately ends up on wing, or yes, even Martone on wing, we'll have a decent building block out of this draft pick. We'll still be seeking the elusive franchise #1C/unicorn next year, however.
 
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Porter Stoutheart said:
I'll probably be "content" with any of Hagens, Frondell, Desnoyers, or even Martone, I guess. I'm not 100% confident in Misa, but he seems like the only one in this draft who has a clearer projection as a potential star forward than the others. Others could get there with another year of development, but it's murkier.

I think all of them have a reasonable floor, however, so I think even if we get "just" a decent #2C, or one of them ultimately ends up on wing, or yes, even Martone on wing, we'll have a decent building block out of this draft pick. We'll still be seeking the elusive franchise #1C/unicorn next year, however.
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Agreed, any of the top 5 should be happily placed in our prospect cupboard on the top shelf. I know it's not a game changing list at this point of the draft, but I still think any of the top 5 project to be as good as any prospect we've drafted, likened to Legwand or Seth Jones. If we get Misa or Schaefer then I think either would be our highest ranked prospects in team history. Trotz can't overthink this.
 
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101st_fan said:
www.nhl.com

NHL Draft Lottery to be held live on TV, will be 'really compelling' for fans | NHL.com

No. 1 pick will be chosen in real time with fans following along
www.nhl.com www.nhl.com
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Hmmmmm.
But there are myriad scenarios. So many things can happen.

Say, for example, the Columbus Blue Jackets win the first draw this year. They have the 13th-best odds and can move up only to the No. 3 pick. In that scenario, the Sharks would be locked into the No. 1 pick and the Blue Jackets into the No. 3 pick.

If San Jose or any of the teams seeded 14th through 16th wins the second draw, San Jose picks first, Chicago second and Columbus third. In that scenario, Nashville would be bumped back from No. 3 to No. 4.

But say the Predators win the second draw. They would get the No. 2 pick, with Chicago bumped back to No. 4. Yes, the winner of the second draw can end up with a higher pick than the winner of the first draw.
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I would be ecstatic with this result. 😍
 
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Currently debating with myself whether or not I want to spend my evening scripting up a live odds generator/recalculator as each number comes in. Bits of the design are in my head, but I natively think in Python so it'd be of limited use outside of folks who know such things. I'd have to re-brain it into Javascript so that others could easily use it and follow along, and I almost certainly wouldn't be done with that by the time the drawing actually happens...
 
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Currently debating with myself whether or not I want to spend my evening scripting up a live odds generator/recalculator as each number comes in. Bits of the design are in my head, but I natively think in Python so it'd be of limited use outside of folks who know such things. I'd have to re-brain it into Javascript so that others could easily use it and follow along, and I almost certainly wouldn't be done with that by the time the drawing actually happens...
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I suspect we'll be very invested in the draft lottery next season as well... :help:
 
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