2025 NHL DRAFT Thread
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Are we really entertaining trading a 1st round pick for a 25 year old that hasn’t even broken 40 points? This team needs high end talent, we can find decent middle of the roster players. The only way to get high end talent is through the draft or trades, by leveraging our farm/picks.
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This is what the ‘compete now’ contingent wants, yes.
I hate to say it but this team is nowhere note l near competing. I’m so over watching this mediocre product. I would be fine with a scorched earth rebuild at this point. I’d rather watch a team with some hope over this crap.
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Curious if a nerd has figured out the percentages a 10th overall becomes a legit first rounder? Prob pretty low.
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IMO, I don't think the high-end talent this team needs will be in this draft, especially where they potentially will be selecting.
There's a lot more to his game. If the team wants to get younger, Pinto is a way to do that.
The 24-year-old scored 20 goals in 69 games this season and mainly played 2nd PP unit.
He did have 3 SHG, 5 GWG, and was over 50% in faceoffs.
The question for Isles fans would be Pinto, 24 (November 25), RFA in 2026, cap hit 3.75 or the opportunity to select Brady Martin or Jackson Smith?
You could be right but with isles luck we will trade the pick and the prospect will end up in the HOF.
Pinto is a good player, but I’d prefer the pick. Get a guy that will be under team control and cost control for a while. Pinto only pushes us further into No man’s land.
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Ok, looks like we’re locked into 10th or 11th overall - at least we avoided worst case scenario.
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I don't think so, just like @Zeeker wrote in the post above, it is most likely 10th or 11th.
And I think the 3 you mentioned will most likely be taken.
The 1st 9 picks look to be:
- Schaefer
- Hagens
- Misa
- Frondell
- Martone
- Eklund
- Desnoyers
- McQueen
- O'Brien
I do think they should shop it and see if they can land someone of that calibre.
Pinto is worth a pick in the 15-30 range. 10th overall would be a pricey cost to pay for him IMO. 24 year old 40 point center three years away from UFA. I'd rather take my chances on the 10th overall.
Our farm is pretty barren with defensemen. You got George and a few question marks in Odelius and Pullkkinen. That's it.
Would be nice to add a legit prospect to the future D-corps. Pelech, Pulock and Mayfield are aging faster than milk in Death Valley.
If that's the situation, I'm fine with Mrtka or Smith with the 10th pick.
Our farm is pretty barren with defensemen. You got George and a few question marks in Odelius and Pullkkinen. That's it.
Would be nice to add a legit prospect to the future D-corps. Pelech, Pulock and Mayfield are aging faster than milk in Death Valley.
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Looking at League standings were either picking 10 or 11. Both us and the Rags have 1 game remaining and they have 1 point more than us. They swept us on the season so I believe that’s the tie breaker if we finish with the same amount of points.
This is a solid draft slot and we need to make the right pick if we don’t win the lottery. We have a chance to get a good player. Hopefully someone falls.
I’m hoping for O’Brien or Frondell in that spot. Both could be gone though.
If that’s the case take the shot at Brady Martin.
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The first two tiebreakers are RWs and ROWs, and the NYR have both of those on us. So if we end up with the same number of points we stay at pick #10.
If they get one point next game, we're at #10. If we don't get 2 points next game, we're at #10. The only way we drop behind them in the draft order is if we get 2 points and they get 0 points.
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There are always surprises. Don't get too hung up on mock drafts. They're all similar because they all basically are copying each other. Teams do different things.
Personally, I agree with your draft list, but I think either Mrtka/Smith go before to Buffalo or Anaheim. Shit always happens at the draft and someone always rises last minute so I think one of those 3 could definitely possibly fall to us.
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Reading my mind . . . although I'd ask for 2 2026 picks, not one. They have 3 3rds in 2026.
Holy Toledo, I hadn't seen your post before I responded.
Wild!
Or just wildly logical...
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I do think we have to be reasonable with our trade suggestions.
If Lou is gonna get his hands on a player like Pinto, who everyone thinks is going to explode in the near future, then we're gonna be making one of those "fair" deals.
That's why my suggestion technically sees more going Ottawa's way.
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I saw Pronman's ranking. I like Desnoyers. He has him ahead of Hagens.
Ridiculous. Like, patently ridiculous. I can understand, in a way, if a person could judge Eklund's upside as being higher. But I've seen Desnoyers and Hagens against the same competition level, and folks it's not close. Hagens has every bit the two-way commitment & intangibles, and whatever as Desnoyers, he's just a bit more subtle and quiet with positional play + leadership. And he's always been *the guy*. Even in the WJC. Not one guy among others.
If the criticism is that Hagens scoring isn't good enough to make him more than a playmaker (he sure lost some confidence in his shot), fine, I get that. But he's got everything Desnoyers has + more.
What is wrong with Pronman. Like, maybe Hagens isn't in the Jack Hughes class, but imo he's absolutely in the Clayton Keller class. I get that Keller was taken 7th, but there's no Matthews, Tkachuk, Laine, etc. in this draft. If Puljujarvi was in this class coming off that WJC he had, he'd probably be considered a top 3 talent.
Is it that there's something about these very well coached, polished forwards like Keller, Cooley, and now Hagens who don't run around like chickens with their heads cut off that screw with scouts' heads?
Ridiculous. Like, patently ridiculous. I can understand, in a way, if a person could judge Eklund's upside as being higher. But I've seen Desnoyers and Hagens against the same competition level, and folks it's not close. Hagens has every bit the two-way commitment & intangibles, and whatever as Desnoyers, he's just a bit more subtle and quiet with positional play + leadership. And he's always been *the guy*. Even in the WJC. Not one guy among others.
If the criticism is that Hagens scoring isn't good enough to make him more than a playmaker (he sure lost some confidence in his shot), fine, I get that. But he's got everything Desnoyers has + more.
What is wrong with Pronman. Like, maybe Hagens isn't in the Jack Hughes class, but imo he's absolutely in the Clayton Keller class. I get that Keller was taken 7th, but there's no Matthews, Tkachuk, Laine, etc. in this draft. If Puljujarvi was in this class coming off that WJC he had, he'd probably be considered a top 3 talent.
Is it that there's something about these very well coached, polished forwards like Keller, Cooley, and now Hagens who don't run around like chickens with their heads cut off that screw with scouts' heads?
BTW:
In the recent article by Sears, he pointed out that for the drafts between 2018-2022, NO team in the NHL has had a worse turnout for the players picked in the 2nd round and beyond than the Isles.
None.
Not a single one, measured by NHL games played for us.
Things would look even worse if it hadn't been for George this season, cause Skarek, Lennox, Dufour, and Iskhakov are among those who have seen NHL ice and they each did so for 2 or less games.
YIKES!
That can't be something a scouting staff is proud of.
It should actually be something that leads to heads rolling.
EVEN WORSE:
This scouting staff generally works with slightly more than an average of 5 picks per draft. In fact, 2018 was the only Lou-time draft with more than 6 picks. And the six we had last summer was first possible with the deal struck up with Chicago to gain an extra 2nd rounder.
Now, take into account that despite having so few draft picks, this staff managed to pick 4(!) players along the way who were not ranked by any outlet within the top 225, namely Ljungkrantz, Machu, Tikkanen, and Good Bogg. Taking that further, the latter three were ranked nowhere, by any outlet.
Back in 2019, very few outlets had overagers Bibeau and Chorskey within their top 225.
Throwing oil on the flames is the fact that Bibeau and Malinen (you guys remember him?) BOTH quit hockey within 2 years of being drafted.
Friggin' awesome!
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In a day and age where these staffs can watch broken down video of basically every player out there for years in advance of their draft year, the track record of our staff is nothing short of comical.
Then again, our beloved GM has spent a good amount of time using draft picks as currency to offload salary, so the message sent to his scouting staff surely isn't one of vesting importance or confidence in their work.
In the recent article by Sears, he pointed out that for the drafts between 2018-2022, NO team in the NHL has had a worse turnout for the players picked in the 2nd round and beyond than the Isles.
None.
Not a single one, measured by NHL games played for us.
Things would look even worse if it hadn't been for George this season, cause Skarek, Lennox, Dufour, and Iskhakov are among those who have seen NHL ice and they each did so for 2 or less games.
YIKES!
That can't be something a scouting staff is proud of.
It should actually be something that leads to heads rolling.
EVEN WORSE:
This scouting staff generally works with slightly more than an average of 5 picks per draft. In fact, 2018 was the only Lou-time draft with more than 6 picks. And the six we had last summer was first possible with the deal struck up with Chicago to gain an extra 2nd rounder.
Now, take into account that despite having so few draft picks, this staff managed to pick 4(!) players along the way who were not ranked by any outlet within the top 225, namely Ljungkrantz, Machu, Tikkanen, and Good Bogg. Taking that further, the latter three were ranked nowhere, by any outlet.
Back in 2019, very few outlets had overagers Bibeau and Chorskey within their top 225.
Throwing oil on the flames is the fact that Bibeau and Malinen (you guys remember him?) BOTH quit hockey within 2 years of being drafted.
Friggin' awesome!
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In a day and age where these staffs can watch broken down video of basically every player out there for years in advance of their draft year, the track record of our staff is nothing short of comical.
Then again, our beloved GM has spent a good amount of time using draft picks as currency to offload salary, so the message sent to his scouting staff surely isn't one of vesting importance or confidence in their work.
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