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Who should we pick 3rd overall (assuming Schaefer and Misa are gone)?

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dj Mahoney said:
I dug up a scouting report for Tuomo Ruutu (He seems so much like Frondell minus the rocket shot)

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Tuomo Ruutu was a Finnish professional hockey player known for his tenacious, physical style of play. He was a versatile forward who could play both center and wing, and he was known for his strong work ethic and ability to agitate opponents. However, his career was also hampered by injuries, stemming from his aggressive style.

Here's a more detailed scouting report:
Strengths:
  • Physicality and Agitation:
    Ruutu was renowned for his aggressive, hard-hitting style and his ability to get under opponents' skin.

  • Versatility:
    He could play both center and wing, making him a valuable asset to any team.

  • Work Ethic:
    Ruutu was known for his strong work ethic and willingness to battle for pucks.

  • Defensive Awareness:
    He was a responsible defensive player, often assigned to shut down top opposing forwards.

  • Leadership:
    While not a traditional leader, his work ethic and competitiveness inspired his teammates.
Weaknesses:
  • Injury History:
    Ruutu's aggressive style of play led to numerous injuries throughout his career, including hip, ankle, and back problems.

  • Inconsistency:
    He could be prone to stretches of inconsistent play, sometimes struggling to maintain his high level of intensity and effectiveness.

  • Offensive Consistency:
    While he had moments of offensive brilliance, he wasn't a consistent point producer at the NHL level.

  • Plus/Minus:
    His career plus/minus rating was a negative number, indicating he was on the ice for more goals against than for, likely due to his high-risk style and defensive zone play.
Overall:
Ruutu was a valuable player when healthy, providing a blend of physicality, versatility, and defensive responsibility. However, his injury history and inconsistent offensive production limited his overall impact. He was a player who thrived on intensity and physicality, but his style also made him susceptible to injuries.
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Ruutu was a good physical second liner with talent that he'd waste by putting himself way out of position to make a big hit. He was much more talented than his brother but had much less hockey IQ.
 
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DisgruntledHawkFan said:
Ruutu was a good physical second liner with talent that he'd waste by putting himself way out of position to make a big hit. He was much more talented than his brother but had much less hockey IQ.
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Pre Draft rankings can always be deceiving . Tuomo was often compared to a slightly less skilled Peter Forsberg . Hawks fans left disappointed . This draft is like a few have remarked after Schaefer "MURKY"
 
DisgruntledHawkFan said:
I genuinely can't tell if you like or dislike Frondell on the Tuomo comp.
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I really like him , I was totally on the Tuomo Bandwagon but injuries took its toll. Frondell seems to have limited play making ability (same as Tuomo) . I think the pick should be Desnoyers by a hair . i wouldn't be upset with any of Hagens , Misa , Frondell or Martone .
 
dj Mahoney said:
I really like him , I was totally on the Tuomo Bandwagon but injuries took its toll. Frondell seems to have limited play making ability (same as Tuomo) . I think the pick should be Desnoyers by a hair . i wouldn't be upset with any of Hagens , Misa , Frondell or Martone .
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It's funny because I'd like any of those five with Des being my fifth choice.

Misa by a wide bit, Hagens, Martone, Frondell then Des.
 
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Tuomo and Jarkko were just twenty years before their time. Tuomo would be getting paid Kadri money and the league doesn't even have a comparable shit disturber like Jarkko. He'd be a fifteen fifteen unicorn in today's game.

What Jarkko did to Phaneuf would be so much more appreciated across sports today. Was a bit of a punk move but I can't imagine what social media would do with it today.
 
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DisgruntledHawkFan said:
It's funny because I'd like any of those five with Des being my fifth choice.

Misa by a wide bit, Hagens, Martone, Frondell then Des.
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I just feel like Desnoyers has the most value with his two way play .And he seems 100% no ego and a team player that gives me really good vibes (If Phillip Danault &Toews had a Baby ) . I'd say Misa is #2 , Frondell #3 , Hagen's #4 Martone #5 . I can see merit in any of them . I even love Brady Martin , just not at 3rd overall .
 
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If we could trade up for Carbonneau I would love that. Love to combination of skill and will, seems to be a winner. Not a lot of guys this year battle super hard but Carbonneau skates just as hard on backcheck as on the rush and fights really hard for pucks.
 
DisgruntledHawkFan said:
I genuinely can't tell if you like or dislike Frondell on the Tuomo comp.
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I followed Tuomo a lot before he joined Hawks and after that too. I just don´t see similarities with Frondell. Maybe on paper but on ice two totally different players. Tuomo was relentless hitter and kind of victim of his playing style. A lot of injuries and one severe one before NHL but that wasn´t his fault when it was caused by opponents kneeing.

I thought Tuomo was poor man´s JR. Less skilled but same kind of wrecking ball. Frondell´s game is a lot different. More of a high IQ player and so on.

unbridledid said:
How does a guy like Frondell compare to Teemu Selänne ?
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Like nothing. Selanne was speedy goal scorer who didn´t know or liked to defend at all.
 
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ChicagoHockeyFan said:
If we could trade up for Carbonneau I would love that. Love to combination of skill and will, seems to be a winner. Not a lot of guys this year battle super hard but Carbonneau skates just as hard on backcheck as on the rush and fights really hard for pucks.
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Interesting you say that because I think there are quite a few, but wouldn't have included Carbonneau myself. Desnoyers, Eklund, Cootes, Bear are all known for their tenacity especially. Cootes' back checking is such a treat to watch, he's crazy impactful there.
 
Muffinalt said:
Interesting you say that because I think there are quite a few, but wouldn't have included Carbonneau myself. Desnoyers, Eklund, Cootes, Bear are all known for their tenacity especially. Cootes' back checking is such a treat to watch, he's crazy impactful there.
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Don’t forget that we have Vanacker. Uses a long stick. Relentlessly back checks and stick lifts with great timing. Disrupts play all over the ice and on the boards. Hossa-like, if not more so.

He certainly can play a top six role covering for Bedard…retrieving pucks, forechecking, backchecking, cycling, mucking it up. Great motor. Just remains to be seen what his offense will end up being.
 
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pvr said:
Don’t forget that we have Vanacker. Uses a long stick. Relentlessly back checks and stick lifts with great timing. Disrupts play all over the ice and on the boards. Hossa-like, if not more so.

He certainly can play a top six role covering for Bedard…retrieving pucks, forechecking, backchecking, cycling, mucking it up. Great motor. Just remains to be seen what his offense will end up being.
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FWLIW, I think Vanacker was another sneaky good pick
 
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Bob McKenzie's Final rankings cone out tomorrow...releases at 11:59 am Eastern Time...

Usually best indicator of how a "consensus" of NHL teams (he uses 10 actual team scout opinions from 10 different NHL teams ...it is usually accurate to within just a few differences as to which pkayers go i round one..

But maybecthus draft more than some coukd see guys he has 33 to mod second get taken earlier in the 20s to #32..

I think he probably nails who goes in fist 21 or 22 with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions...but after tgat I think teams may have diverging targets from his list.


I am curious to see where Mckenzie puts Mason West ....ifvthe consensus of tgec10 NHL scouts puts West out of round 1 into early to mid roubd 2,then I wiukd risk on him fourvour#34pick..

If Mckenzie has him in thec29s,not sure ifcKD gambles that high...the size athleticism skatibg and sjikks are tantalizing but this is a development project because of his 2 soirt high school splitting of his focus between fiotball and hockey..Hecwill play football this fall for his high school ,but afterctgat is over he said hecwill devotex100%to hockey with making tge NGL his ultimate goal.
This is ckassic raw pitential..but tgevupside as he concentrates some on hockey is very tantalizing..

Tgexrawxtalentbis far better than Spelkacy whose ceiling woukd be just a 3tdvorc4th liner..

However we have seen great athletes who never turn that into successful NHL careers..sobtherevisxaxrosk as always wotb hogh school players..

So I doubt KD takes a risk on hom at #25 ...but I can see taking a gamblevon honat #34.

AT#25 I woukd be looking for some,physicality/jam abd/or 2 way play with some scorong potebtial..

I would be considering Bill Zonnon ,Vaclav Nestrasil ,Shane Vansaggi....in that order..

If any of tgese 3 make it to#34and West already off the biard then might grab the 1 of the 3 above who remains there.

Tgevonlybotger possibility at #34if West gobecearkier is maybe to take a gamblevon IvanRuabkin tge most dicisive prospect i the draft.

He has topbten talent skill-wise and scoring ...maybectop 5...But issuesof coach abikity,pace,conpete level and conditioning level (he is 5'11 209 lbs)scarevoff many to the point many have him goibgbonkyv2nd round..


But if JD wants to gamblexwith pick #34 then maybe take Ryabkun if still on the biard.

Since opinionsxwhere to rank him seem so mixed,it is hardxti guess if he is goibgvto be there at #34 or goes ofvthe biard earlier as sone NHL gMbles on his talent earlier and thinks they can fix hiscissues.


A pkayerxwho coukd go late first early 2nd is Alexander Zarovsky...Lotsco f sjilk and giid conoeye butcatv6'1160 sobething he hasxavkitvof weight tovadd before beibg prphectedvibtk and NHK pkayer.. Does not fit Hawks need of more size orxweightyvplayers ..bAlsi history of Hawks draftees from Russia staying in Russia probably deters KD takibgvhomat #34if hevis there unless akk other targets he had for thebouck are off the board.
 
Here is my Friday night dream scenario. Blackhawks trade #3, 62 to Buffalo for JJ Peterka, #9. Trade #25 to Tampa for Issac Howard. Draft Jake O'Brien at #9, Draft Cole McKinney #34.. Come away from Draft with JJ Peterka, Issac, Howard, Jake O'Brien, Cole McKinney would have me pretty damn happy
 
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pvr said:
There’s a general undervaluing of our forward prospects. Not all top six forwards are drafted top ten. Hawks have so many possibilities in the system. A few definitely will surprise.
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Agreed on Vanaker, and also excited for Kantserov.

There are a lot of exciting prospects in the pipeline, and I'm really hopeful over the next 2-3 years that we'll see an influx of talent and healthy competition.
 
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Muffinalt said:
Interesting you say that because I think there are quite a few, but wouldn't have included Carbonneau myself. Desnoyers, Eklund, Cootes, Bear are all known for their tenacity especially. Cootes' back checking is such a treat to watch, he's crazy impactful there.
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For me I think Carbonneau Aitcheson and Bear especially all stand out. I agree Cootes is really good on the backcheck and same as Eklund, but I don’t see them battling in the sense of knocking guys off pucks and absorbing hits themselves because they are a little smaller. I probably shouldn’t have said there aren’t a lot that battle but I think a few are very soft for their size like Mrtka and Lakovic. Guys like O’Brien and Hagens seem to not want to get their hands dirty either
 
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