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Who should we pick 3rd overall (assuming Schaefer and Misa are gone)?


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Vancouver could be a darkhorse tear it down team if Quinn is unhappy and he's 2 years away from UFA status, maybe they sell off everything for a haul and start over....Petterson, Garland, Chytil, DeBrusk being immediate help options for the Hawks if a deal for 3 starts with Petterson+...there just aren't that many teams out there that have what the Hawks would need to trade it
Overpay for Garland. Doesn't matter. Hawks need a Connor Garland so bad that will make at least one of your lines effective every night. Give him a letter and he will drag Hawks to a wildcard in two years.

Shutdown deployment, buried in the defensive zone for most of his starts, dominant possession metrics this year and 50 points (16 pp points).
 
Overpay for Garland. Doesn't matter. Hawks need a Connor Garland so bad that will make at least one of your lines effective every night. Give him a letter and he will drag Hawks to a wildcard in two years.

Shutdown deployment, buried in the defensive zone for most of his starts, dominant possession metrics this year and 50 points (16 pp points).
Shouldn't have to overpay for anything if you build a deal around 3 and other draft capital for Petterson and Garland, if VAN decides to get a head start on a teardown, not saying I would do it but I would prefer it to 3 for Peterka or Robertson...Garland is probably worth the 2026 FLA 1st, that's what VAN would probably get for him at the TDL, late 1st type pick, maybe pick 34, somewhere in that late 1st to a good 2nd range
 
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Shouldn't have to overpay for anything if you build a deal around 3 and other draft capital for Petterson and Garland, if VAN decides to get a head start on a teardown, not saying I would do it but I would prefer it to 3 for Peterka or Robertson...Garland is probably worth the 2026 FLA 1st, that's what VAN would probably get for him at the TDL, late 1st type pick, maybe pick 34, somewhere in that late 1st to a good 2nd range
Zero interest in Petterson for #3, or for him for really, anything.
 
Shouldn't have to overpay for anything if you build a deal around 3 and other draft capital for Petterson and Garland, if VAN decides to get a head start on a teardown, not saying I would do it but I would prefer it to 3 for Peterka or Robertson...Garland is probably worth the 2026 FLA 1st, that's what VAN would probably get for him at the TDL, late 1st type pick, maybe pick 34, somewhere in that late 1st to a good 2nd range
Yeah and I would be fine if they toss a B-grade prospect in to make them feel good about it. Kansterov or Pridham maybe. I don't think there should be any cold feet around the possibility of landing a player like Garland. He will help develop your young forwards and cement good habits in their game and he should age well too.
 
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there needs to be more of a discussion around range of outcomes for these players...if you say xyz has no upside beyond this or that then you're very likely just wrong

I think it's nearly impossible because they all have the potential to be great.

Frondell could end up being another Hossa.
Martone could end up being another Rantanen.
Hagens could end up being another Hughes.
McQueen could end up being another Staal.

Nobody really knows how things will pan out.
I have my favorites (Martone/Hagens) but whoever KD picks, I will hope for the best.
 
If the Hawks were to draft Frondell and his ceiling was Lundell in FLA. Would that be a failed pick? Lundell seemed extremely effective the past two seasons with the Panthers.

Or could you look at it as you hope the ceiling is Barkov but are ok with Lundell as the floor?

Hitting a superstar in the top 3 is not a given anymore. Laf, Byfield, Stutzle...Power, Berniers, MacT...Slaf, Nemec, Cooley...Bedard, Carlsson, Fantilli...Celebrini, Lev, Sennecke

Hope for a superstar but you should be happy that you acquire a meaningful piece to the puzzle. Then get a steal like Rinzel later in the first
 
I think it's nearly impossible because they all have the potential to be great.

Frondell could end up being another Hossa.
Martone could end up being another Rantanen.
Hagens could end up being another Hughes.
McQueen could end up being another Staal.

Nobody really knows how things will pan out.
I have my favorites (Martone/Hagens) but whoever KD picks, I will hope for the best.
Yeah, but It's kind of funny to hear 'xyz will never be this player' when nobody knew 'this player' would become 'this player'...At least when you talk about range of outcomes, you're assigning some probability they do have a higher ceiling than you realize, it's not binary made up jibberish based on solely an eye test, there is some historical base level hit rate for a 3rd overall pick forward that would suggest the upside for any forward the hawks pick at 3 has upside far beyond 'he's only a 2C' etc type takes, we don't really know exactly what the distribution is but you could just use history as a starting point

A true range of outcomes for Frondell or Martone or Hagens etc would be like 10% this player 25% that player 50% that player etc etc not 100% this 0% that
 
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If the Hawks were to draft Frondell and his ceiling was Lundell in FLA. Would that be a failed pick? Lundell seemed extremely effective the past two seasons with the Panthers.

Or could you look at it as you hope the ceiling is Barkov but are ok with Lundell as the floor?

Hitting a superstar in the top 3 is not a given anymore. Laf, Byfield, Stutzle...Power, Berniers, MacT...Slaf, Nemec, Cooley...Bedard, Carlsson, Fantilli...Celebrini, Lev, Sennecke

Hope for a superstar but you should be happy that you acquire a meaningful piece to the puzzle. Then get a steal like Rinzel later in the first
I would be fine with Frondell turning into Lundell, mainly because I think Lundell has a higher level which if Bennett leaves Florida, we'll likely see with an expanding role.
 
I would be fine with Frondell turning into Lundell, mainly because I think Lundell has a higher level which if Bennett leaves Florida, we'll likely see with an expanding role.
I agree. Also Sam Bennett was taken fourth in his draft, so he is an example of the type of player you could get in this range.

Not a superstar, but a guy who will be so key to a Stanley cup run that he wins the Conn Smythe.
 
Zero interest in Petterson for #3, or for him for really, anything.
I’d be interested if this were a video game and he would go out and perform to his ability like a robot. But there’s just way too much reporting from several insiders about EP’s commitment to the game, him focusing on outside noise, and inability to fit in with teammates.

If Davidson supposedly thinks Marner isn’t the type of player that helps you win in the playoffs, it’s tough to see him thinking EP is the type that helps.
 
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I think this off season we do hockey trades, IE trade Vets for younger NHL players if we can. Draft #3 and then after that other then next years #1 we use some of that to start building. I think after mid season this year and next off season there might be more teams tanking. right now there are really none. Nash and Pitt but who do they actually have to trade that has any value. I think by next off season you might see more
 

this looks pretty accurate to me. martin probably higher eklund lower. also what jumps out to me is all the players I was hoping would slide into the 60's he has going mid 2nd round. which I tend to agree with. I think the one trade I would try and do is package 62 and 66 and move up to the late 40's I would do it. would love the islanders pick at 42.
 
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betting market update since they're so popular...Brady Martin and Jake O'Brien have moved a lot in the past two weeks
 
If the Hawks were to draft Frondell and his ceiling was Lundell in FLA. Would that be a failed pick? Lundell seemed extremely effective the past two seasons with the Panthers.

Or could you look at it as you hope the ceiling is Barkov but are ok with Lundell as the floor?

Hitting a superstar in the top 3 is not a given anymore. Laf, Byfield, Stutzle...Power, Berniers, MacT...Slaf, Nemec, Cooley...Bedard, Carlsson, Fantilli...Celebrini, Lev, Sennecke

Hope for a superstar but you should be happy that you acquire a meaningful piece to the puzzle. Then get a steal like Rinzel later in the first
If he becomes Lundell the player today, no. Lundell was the most productive player on his line, dominated the faceoff circle, and was competent in all 3 zones.

If Lundell had Tkachuk or Marchand or Verswaggi on his wing for 40 games instead of Luus and Boqvist, I think we can assume he scores 60 points last year, mostly 5-on-5. That's a great player.
 
I’d be interested if this were a video game and he would go out and perform to his ability like a robot. But there’s just way too much reporting from several insiders about EP’s commitment to the game, him focusing on outside noise, and inability to fit in with teammates.

If Davidson supposedly thinks Marner isn’t the type of player that helps you win in the playoffs, it’s tough to see him thinking EP is the type that helps.
Yup, he'd be another Jones, here to collect his paycheque and give a half ass effort until we are forced to trade him with retention.
 
Yup, he'd be another Jones, here to collect his paycheque and give a half ass effort until we are forced to trade him with retention.
any potential big trade acquisition could do this, which is what makes it that much riskier when the 3rd overall pick is involved...they could get paid and check out on a bad team, at least when you draft a player they should have more of an allegiance to the movement that they will eventually become part of....you hear a player like Martone talk about winning a cup here, you know he's committed to be part of the vision from the minute he enters the organization...there is also a huge incentive to perform because you're coming in making league minimum on an ELC
 
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I'm not in the draft Hagens boat @ 3.. but if he really does go 6-8 somebody is getting a steal.
Only if he figures out the physical aspect of the game.

Kane his first two seasons shied away from physical contact. His go to move was defensive cross checking to avoid getting hit on the boards. After that he was stronger, and off to the races.

Can Hagens take the puck to the center of the ice, or will he mostly be a perimeter player?
 

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