2025 NHL DRAFT Thread

[dj Mahoney]

Grant McCagg has Daniil Prokhorov rated 10th overall .Love to get him with our 25th pick .
Best quality? Size and physicality.

Why is Prokhorov must have? Prokhorov immediately stands out the first time you see him. He uses his 6-foot-6 frame to play a violent game that opponents know is coming. With teams always looking to develop potential power forwards, he becomes a must have after the first round. Patience will be required but the potential makes it worth the risk

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[bwanajamba]

Almost certainly not. Boisvert has a B level shot, Frondell is probably closer to B+.

They can be 30 goal scorers if other parts of their game develop, but they likely won't be among the best left shot goal scorers in the league.

Frondell has a better than B+ shot today, especially his one-timer. We'll see how that translates to NHL goal scoring but it's his one undeniably top-class attribute.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Which future 1-2 center scenario do you all like better?

Bedard
Nazar

Or

Frondell
Boisvert

 

[clydesdale line]

Which future 1-2 center scenario do you all like better?

Bedard
Nazar

Or

Frondell
Boisvert

Bedard
Frondell

 

[Kevin Musto]

Which future 1-2 center scenario do you all like better?

Bedard
Nazar

Or

Frondell
Boisvert

Failed rebuild if Frondell and Boisvert are your 1C and 2C

 

[HawksDub89]

Failed rebuild if Frondell and Boisvert are your 1C and 2C

Insanely dumb statement.

What if Boisvert becomes an 80 point two way C with size? That compliments bedard at wing perfectly.

And maybe Frondell is 60-70 point two way C. Moving Nazar to wing would be fine in that scenario.

I’m not saying I’d bet on those things, but to say it’s a failed rebuild is incredibly dumb yet on brand for you.

Just like some prospects wont hit their ceiling, others will exceed expectations

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Bedard
Frondell

Nice. Where are you putting Nazar in that scenario?

 

[clydesdale line]

Nice. Where are you putting Nazar in that scenario?

He's a wing for me. Can help in faceoffs. Boisvert feels more of a 3C in the future. But he can definitely prove me wrong.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Failed rebuild if Frondell and Boisvert are your 1C and 2C

Boisvert-Frondell-Bedard
Howard-Nazar-McKenna

 

[Pertti]

Sure they do. It’s their job now to know “better” than Bill on twitter who has a great feeling that the Sharks are gonna take Hagens or whatever. They’ll use all available data and information to reach that feeling.

Misa -10000 to go 2nd and Frondell -150 or whatever to go 3rd aren’t even in the same stratosphere for instance. One is Ohio State football beating Akron, the other is Florida winning game 6 against Edmonton.

They DON'T know but they have company that follows every news on the planet.

If they know who is going where they make sure betting ends because someone else might know and bet enough that company lose money.

 

[BLKHKhockey]

Not saying things won’t shake out differently long term but Nazar has been doing everything right to stick at center

 

[WarriorofTime]

They DON'T know but they have company that follows every news on the planet.

If they know who is going where they make sure betting ends because someone else might know and bet enough that company lose money.

I think we're using "know" differently.

I agree they don't have Kyle Davidson calling them up saying "the pick is Frondell" if that's what you mean.

They "know" (roughly, subject to inefficienies, etc.) how to price the probability based on everything out there so that people are handing them money and they aren't losing money (wouldn't be a very good business model if they didn't know how to do that).

 

[giza]

Trade #3 overall and Kurashev to Buffalo for #9 and Peterka. Draft McQueen with the 9th and Prokhorov with 25. Grab Vansaghi with first 2nd round pick....."boom, boom, out go the lights"

 

[PatFoleyBarTab88]

Trade #3 overall and Kurashev to Buffalo for #9 and Peterka. Draft McQueen with the 9th and Prokhorov with 25. Grab Vansaghi with first 2nd round pick....."boom, boom, out go the lights"

Dr. Evil voice- "Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight"

 

[PatFoleyBarTab88]

Not saying things won’t shake out differently long term but Nazar has been doing everything right to stick at center

Nazar has earned top 6 center job, Bedard still needs to earn it. If Bedard is not being deployed as a center you are not accessing his full potential.

 

[PatFoleyBarTab88]

Just read that Porter Martone and TJ Brodie have the same agent. Guy has blackmail on KD. Martone to Chicago is a lock!!!

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Betting lines move because they're trying to balance out money. Misa isn't -10000 because they think he's going second there's just a TON of money already on him going second and they're mitigating risk.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Betting lines move because they're trying to balance out money. Misa isn't -10000 because they think he's going second there's just a TON of money already on him going second and they're mitigating risk.

so the market thinks he's going second

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

so the market thinks he's going second

A heavily manipulated market does sure. My point was more about the idea that sports books know more about the inner workings of the NHL. Like this is a computer algorithm in 2025 not a dozen guys smoking cigars in an office in Vegas.

 

[Wally1112pac]

I miss the days when all these betting lines weren't around.

 

[VHG]

This unlocked something in my memory and it turns out that yes, Hockeybuzz is still up and running lol. The Hawks don't have a contributor at the moment. God Jaeckel was his name right? Guy was so f***ing annoying.

Eklund keeps on deleting the Vancouver bloggers posts. Probably because he keeps on bad mouthing him. In any case that site is on it's way out.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

A heavily manipulated market does sure. My point was more about the idea that sports books know more about the inner workings of the NHL. Like this is a computer algorithm in 2025 not a dozen guys smoking cigars in an office in Vegas.

Not following, the market is wagering on the probabilities of events happening...either way the field is still ~50% to be picked, so if you're team Hagens/Martone/Desnoyers, there is still a still as good of a chance its one of them

 

[Toews2Bickell]

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Not following, the market is wagering on the probabilities of events happening...either way the field is still ~50% to be picked, so if you're team Hagens/Martone/Desnoyers, there is still a still as good of a chance its one of them

Can you take the field against Misa at #2? What are you basing that 50% on? I don't gamble anymore I don't use betting apps or sites.

 

[bwanajamba]

Not following, the market is wagering on the probabilities of events happening...either way the field is still ~50% to be picked, so if you're team Hagens/Martone/Desnoyers, there is still a still as good of a chance its one of them

For one thing betting on DK isn't a true prediction "market" where people buy and sell shares of an event happening. It's placing a bet with a sportsbook that has to consider how much money it has promised to pay out for any given outcome and is trying to strike a balance between attracting bets and minimizing risk based on how the money is leveraged. The odds are just as responsive to the behavior of bettors as they are to any predictive forecasts of the event.

If Misa at -10,000 indicated a no shit sure thing lock based on Vegas having insider info, you'd probably see longer odds than +750 for Misa at 3 (assuming that anyone willing to bet Misa at 3 at +750 would be willing to do the same at +1000, or +5,000, etc., plus attracting others to place additional bets. It would be free money if they knew for sure it wasn't going to happen, but they still have to weigh the financial risk to themselves if it does). Misa #3 at +750 is just barely longer odds than Hagens (+700) and is actually higher odds than Hagens going #4 (+1000), which is inherently ridiculous if Misa slipping to 3 is a statistical impossibility. All -10,000 on its own tells you is that the book doesn't want more money put on Misa going #2. (And yes, a part of that is surely that it seems to be by far the most likely outcome, but you don't get to -10,000 based on that alone)