2025 NHL DRAFT Thread

[PCAisBest]

Talent takes you somewhere but if you are not willing to put the effort you are not going to succeed in pro level. And there is a real good chance he could fall out of first round. Here´s few quotes from Hockey Prospects draft book:

“I honestly can’t remember with a player with a ceiling so high and a floor so low. Boom or bust but I lean heavily towards the bust"

"If I forget about his lazy play and the fact that it looks as though he is out of shape, which has affected his skating in a negative way, I really like a lot about his game. He is super skilled and he hits hard. Unfortunately I think the bad stuff will most likely keep him out of the NHL.”

“One of the very few players I got poor feedback on from the combine."

I don't care what some handbook spews.

Ryabkin has elite talent and is the trending player type meme currently.

He's a top ten talent who won't fall out the first round whose ceiling is a Bennett and floor is a Sean Avery type.

I don't think the Hawks will take him over Vaclav at 25 but wouldn't be against it.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I like CHGO, Jay and Mario do a great job.

But yeah, the takes they’ve had on the rebuild lately have been terrible.

This isn’t NHL 24. This stuff takes time.

Rush the rebuild and you end up like Detroit.

feels like 12-18 months from being complete too if they're just patient with it

 

[Mjul Qvist]

I don't care what some handbook spews.

Ryabkin has elite talent and is the trending player type meme currently.

He's a top ten talent who won't fall out the first round whose ceiling is a Bennett and floor is a Sean Avery type.

I don't think the Hawks will take him over Vaclav at 25 but wouldn't be against it.

Well some of those are scouts takes. But of course you know better.

 

[PCAisBest]

I wonder if Chicago has any appetite to trade #3 to NYI for NYIs unprotected 2026 1st and a solid F prospect. Maybe a bigger deal to include Ritchie.

I'm fine with punting on #3 for another lottery ticket in 2026.

Chicago was cool with passing on their 2025 pick - is Hagens important enough to NYI to risk their 2026 first rounder?

Why would Davidson do the Islanders any favors without a ridiculous over pay when the Islanders can just take Hagens?

 

[PCAisBest]

Well some of those are scouts takes. But of course you know better.

Vetted scout takes with names behind them?

 

[ploppsdman]

Why would Davidson do the Islanders any favors without a ridiculous over pay when the Islanders can just take Hagens?

I have no idea what a reasonable cost is - I'm openly wondering IF Chicago has an appetite for a deal AND is another opportunity at a top 5 pick next year have more perceived value than Martone/Frondell/etc.

That's not "doing them a favor." It's a question of what is best for Chicago? How much CAN you get from NYI for Hagens?

If NYI offers two first rounders - with the 2026 being unprotected - and a solid F prospect ... I'm unsure if I say no.

This nothing more than a conversation piece. It's very likely Chicago keeps the pick and drafts Frondell.

 

[PCAisBest]

I have no idea what a reasonable cost is - I'm openly wondering IF Chicago has an appetite for a deal AND is another opportunity at a top 5 pick next year have more perceived value than Martone/Frondell/etc.

That's not "doing them a favor." It's a question of what is best for Chicago? How much CAN you get from NYI for Hagens?

If, and from the looks of it a huge if, if the Islanders don't take Hagens, which is probably 50/50 currently, the more he drops in the draft if they do take Schaefer, the less value he has.

Honestly, the Hawks would need to have the Islanders give them a blank piece of paper and tell them to fill it in with what they want for 3. If Hagens falls to say 6, I don't think an unprotected first next year is on the table.

Does Davidson have the guts to pull off something like that and not use that draft pick? I don't think he does even if it puts the Hawks at better odds for elite talent in a better draft.

Davidson has too much "smartest guy in the room" energy.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

trading a top 3 pick this year for a crack at another top 3 pick next year feels like splitting two jacks in blackjack

 

[RememberTheRoar]

If, and from the looks of it a huge if, if the Islanders don't take Hagens, which is probably 50/50 currently, the more he drops in the draft if they do take Schaefer, the less value he has.

Honestly, the Hawks would need to have the Islanders give them a blank piece of paper and tell them to fill it in with what they want for 3. If Hagens falls to say 6, I don't think an unprotected first next year is on the table.

Does Davidson have the guts to pull off something like that and not use that draft pick? I don't think he does even if it puts the Hawks at better odds for elite talent in a better draft.

Davidson has too much "smartest guy in the room" energy.

There’s some irony in posting all this then accusing someone else of having too much "smartest guy in the room" energy.

 

[ello]

I doubt Korchinski + 25 gets us high enough to pick Eklund unless a team reallyyyyy needs a young LHD

I sure wouldn't trade pick a top 13 pick for that package

 

[BHFAN92]

I doubt Korchinski + 25 gets us high enough to pick Eklund unless a team reallyyyyy needs a young LHD

I sure wouldn't trade pick a top 13 pick for that package

I think 25, 34, 62 gets around equivalent value to pick 15 in draft...adding Korchinski might get somewhere from 9-13 range...that would be a shit ton to give up

 

[PCAisBest]

There’s some irony in posting all this then accusing someone else of having too much "smartest guy in the room" energy.

20k posts.....

 

[ColbyChaos]

I wonder if Chicago has any appetite to trade #3 to NYI for NYIs unprotected 2026 1st and a solid F prospect. Maybe a bigger deal to include Ritchie.

I'm fine with punting on #3 for another lottery ticket in 2026.

Chicago was cool with passing on their 2025 pick - is Hagens important enough to NYI to risk their 2026 first rounder?

The isles won’t even pick on the top 10 next year that would be incredibly stupid

 

[TLEH]

I like Cootes more than Eklund

 

[Darkstar]

I like Cootes more than Eklund

Interesting. I like Kindel more than Cootes and Reschny.

 

[TLEH]

Interesting. I like Kindel more than Cootes and Reschny.

I like Kindel and Cootes a lot.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

take it fwiw but in the CHGO pod they said Bader model loves Frondell and it has him at an 89% probability of reaching star status, the highest non-1st overall pick in the last years...

most of the top-tier 1st overalls have been 99%, so the draft year production/age/league projects him well relative to the usual 3rd overall pick and even in a tier just below the high end 1st overalls...

they've said before that the Hawks probably have one of the more extensive analytics dept in the league now so maybe they're seeing similar in their models

 

[TheFridge]

take it fwiw but in the CHGO pod they said Bader model loves Frondell and it has him at an 89% probability of reaching star status, the highest non-1st overall pick in the last years...most of the top-tier 1st overalls have been 99%, so the draft year production/age/league projects him well relative to the usual 3rd overall pick and even in a tier just below the high end 1st overalls

People. Please. Stop referencing Bader. Please. NHLe is junk.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

People. Please. Stop referencing Bader. Please. NHLe is junk.

do you have any proof NHLe is not accurate? completely dismissing the data is asinine, don't care about Bader opinions, but its interesting that the model loves Frondell so much

 

[Crow]

20k posts.....

8k idiotic posts……..

 

[Crow]

I doubt Korchinski + 25 gets us high enough to pick Eklund unless a team reallyyyyy needs a young LHD

I sure wouldn't trade pick a top 13 pick for that package

I wouldn’t even pay that much to begin with. I would see how Korchinski progresses. He’s 20.

 

[TheFridge]

do you have any proof NHLe is not accurate? completely dismissing the data is asinine, don't care about Bader opinions, but its interesting that the model loves Frondell so much

Bruh what do you mean? It's literally just age-adjusted NHL point equivalency. It does not take into account anything about a player or their game other than their production in a specific league, relative to their age, against historical precedent.

The question you're trying to answer, is what makes a player successful in the NHL? What about a prospect allows them to ascend to the league and be a good/great player? According to NHLe, it's purely their counting stats prior to getting to the NHL. NHLe loves Cristall and hates (and does hate) Nazar. Bader would "rank" Cristall as a better prospect than Nazar a year ago. He'd probably still rank him as a better prospect today. It's very unserious.

 

[TheFridge]

Look at this moron. He calls a year lost to rehabbing after a major surgery "a down year". Again, his "model" ignores all context. All it saw was 7 points in in 13 games and said "bad".

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Bruh what do you mean? It's literally just age-adjusted NHL point equivalency. It does not take into account anything about a player or their game other than their production in a specific league, relative to their age, against historical precedent.

The question you're trying to answer, is what makes a player successful in the NHL? What about a prospect allows them to ascend to the league and be a good/great player? According to NHLe, it's purely their counting stats prior to getting to the NHL. NHLe loves Cristall and hates (and does hate) Nazar. Bader would "rank" Cristall as a better prospect than Nazar a year ago. He'd probably still rank him as a better prospect today. It's very unserious.

bruh I'm literally just stating that the guy has 30 years of historical data to say that Frondell's production should translate well on average given the 30 years of player data that he has to project Frondell

I'm not sure you're making the greatest point about NHLe loving Cristall when he's looking like a pretty good value atm...on average, its probably a directionally correct way to project points but that doesn't mean its perfect by any means

and if you disagree then please post the data to disprove NHLe as a concept and not some anecdotal example of Nazar, I think the model is wrong on Nazar, but that doesn't mean the model is wrong in general at projecting NHL point production

 

[deytookerjaabs]

There's nothing to debate, stats are stats. NHLe is just one of many, nothing more than a tool that sometimes makes sense in context other times doesn't.

For me, Frondell's best test is the eye test.