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Who should we pick 3rd overall (assuming Schaefer and Misa are gone)?


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That´s fair. But I don´t see the big difference picking second or third this year. I like Misa too but there is no guarantees that he will be better player eventually than let say Hagens. Just like there is no sure thing at 25th pick but there is always a possibility. I just think that trading away another first round pick to jump one spot in this years draft isn´t a good idea. This is not like 2004 where there was Ovechkin and Malkin and after that Barker, Ladd etc.
I tend to agree with this. We don't know who will be there at 25, but there will be a good
prospect to pick. We need as many darts to throw at the board as we can get. The flyers have
three firsts and three seconds this year, but perhaps they wished it the 2023, 2003, or 2026 draft.
 
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Attempt by the team to subtly pressure him into returning. True plans will be revealed at the combine.

Yeah no doubt. I understand this isn’t “final” or anything. But if he goes that route I think there are better options.

I’m guessing teams will try like hell to convince him to move on.
 
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Okay... if playing through injury hampered Desnoyers at the Memorial Cup and for a few games to finish the Q Finals, I accept that as the reason why he only got 1 goal in his last 10 games played and was -6 over those games.

Likewise, I presume Misa played hurt over his last 10 games, where his points-per-game season average (over 2) dropped to 1.3, and his +/- was -16 during that stretch.

Playing injured must be the sole reason for such poor performance relative to their earlier excellence. So yes, health is a major factor in proper evaluations.

So is age... How can you compare relative youngsters like Jake O'Brien and Brady Martin to older prospects like Martone, Hagens, and Frondell? Well, it doesn't matter if you're clearly superior—like Schaefer, who is one of the very youngest in this draft with a September 2007 birthdate—making him almost a year younger than Martone. But in other cases, like Martin and O'Brien (born October 2006 vs. April and June 2007), you need to factor in the extra body development and maturity to assess pro readiness and their eventual roles in the NHL.

So KD still has a lot of decisions to make to finalize his draft target. Is he betting on runway (longer development) or perhaps quicker pro readiness? And how much did late-season injuries change perceptions of players who fizzled out down the stretch? Or does the explanation of playing hampered satisfy any second thoughts?

I still think KD's bigger question is whether Bedard can be developed into a better two-way center or if he is forced to the wing due to defensive issues—which must improve if he's to stay at center.

That decision is key to whether the Hawks draft a center solution or a winger to support Bedard.

I do not see Desnoyers as a solution to help Bedard. If you take him, you're hoping for a Toews-like player who can go head-to-head with opposing top-line centers. Frondell is too slow—he doesn’t meet KD’s skating standards.

Hagens is another smaller player, and the Hawks already have plenty of skilled small players.

So the obvious winger help for Bedard is Martone. O'Brien has the highest ceiling as a center who could feed Bedard to 50+ goals—if Bedard plays wing—but he’s not as ready as Martone to step into the NHL this season. He needs to add weight to his 170 lb frame and show he can score more himself as a go-to 1C. He needs another season in juniors to reach the end of his longer development runway.

Martin is a unique combo of physicality, skill, and compete level. The Hawks need more “jam,” but jam with skill—on either Line 1 or Line 2.

So a lot depends on what KD wants: immediate step-in to the lineup = Martone. Willing to wait = O'Brien or Desnoyers. Both need to add to their lanky frames and improve on weaker aspects of their games at this stage.

Martin... some say he could play in the NHL now due to his pro style and physicality. But sticking him on a 3rd or 4th line checking role has no real purpose. So it’s probably best he stays in juniors one more season to get even better as a scorer and playmaker—so he can take on a top 2-line center role.
 
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any idea when the height weight come out? that could be a slight determination of players. is frondell 6-1 + is Martone closer to 6-4? Des 6-2? is Hagen's actually 5-11 or is 5-10. I know Misa claims 6-1 but does he come in at 6' is scafear 6-3? I know 1/2 of inches should not matter but when players are that close they might be a bit of a swing. also I think mason west would be a great pick at 34. 6-6 great athlete for his size late to hockey might go NCAA football. we drafted spellacy. you hate to have a bomb pick at 34 but he could also turn into a steal if he decided to focus on hockey. I dont hink he makes it to the dallas pick.
 
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any idea when the height weight come out? that could be a slight determination of players. is frondell 6-1 + is Martone closer to 6-4? Des 6-2? is Hagen's actually 5-11 or is 5-10. I know Misa claims 6-1 but does he come in at 6' is scafear 6-3? I know 1/2 of inches should not matter but when players are that close they might be a bit of a swing. also I think mason west would be a great pick at 34. 6-6 great athlete for his size late to hockey might go NCAA football. we drafted spellacy. you hate to have a bomb pick at 34 but he could also turn into a steal if he decided to focus on hockey. I dont hink he makes it to the dallas pick.
I think that's tomorrow
 
any idea when the height weight come out? that could be a slight determination of players. is frondell 6-1 + is Martone closer to 6-4? Des 6-2? is Hagen's actually 5-11 or is 5-10. I know Misa claims 6-1 but does he come in at 6' is scafear 6-3? I know 1/2 of inches should not matter but when players are that close they might be a bit of a swing. also I think mason west would be a great pick at 34. 6-6 great athlete for his size late to hockey might go NCAA football. we drafted spellacy. you hate to have a bomb pick at 34 but he could also turn into a steal if he decided to focus on hockey. I dont hink he makes it to the dallas pick.
I believe it’s been reported that he is choosing hockey over football.
 
If Martone comes in at 6' tall I still clearly prefer him over everyone except Misa and Schaeffer and the only potential question would be Martin. I want the frame, I want the leadership, I want the swagger and the compete, I want the elite skill and hockey sense. He will never be a speedster but developing his edges and power skating will make him an elite winger.

Is there some kind of KD brain rot setting in here or what is it with so many posts discounting him? Hagens does not have the body of work or the projection of logan cooley or tim stutzle, and those other guys have real question marks too. What is the question mark on Martone? Skating and what?

Best player available should be the pick. Not the best center or the best skater.
 
If Martone comes in at 6' tall I still clearly prefer him over everyone except Misa and Schaeffer and the only potential question would be Martin. I want the frame, I want the leadership, I want the swagger and the compete, I want the elite skill and hockey sense. He will never be a speedster but developing his edges and power skating will make him an elite winger.

Is there some kind of KD brain rot setting in here or what is it with so many posts discounting him? Hagens does not have the body of work or the projection of logan cooley or tim stutzle, and those other guys have real question marks too. What is the question mark on Martone? Skating and what?

Best player available should be the pick. Not the best center or the best skater.
How would KD brain rot be a factor as to what some posters on a message board say?
 
I think it would be hard to pass up on Hagens if he's there at #3.

At every level he has dominated players his own age. At the U20's he crushed it.
At the U18s he crushed it. At the U17s he crushed it.
Even against the big NCAA adults he was a ppg player in his freshman season.

Would you pass on Jack Hughes at #3? No f'n way.
Hagens is very comparable in my opinion.

I can see a case for Martone but other than that, it's gotta be Hagens.
 
I believe it’s been reported that he is choosing hockey over football.

If Martone comes in at 6' tall I still clearly prefer him over everyone except Misa and Schaeffer and the only potential question would be Martin. I want the frame, I want the leadership, I want the swagger and the compete, I want the elite skill and hockey sense. He will never be a speedster but developing his edges and power skating will make him an elite winger.

Is there some kind of KD brain rot setting in here or what is it with so many posts discounting him? Hagens does not have the body of work or the projection of logan cooley or tim stutzle, and those other guys have real question marks too. What is the question mark on Martone? Skating and what?

Best player available should be the pick. Not the best center or the best skater.
we know martone is not 6' My guess is he is somewhere from 6 2 1/2 and 6 3 1/2 my point is if they are looking at 4 guys and hagens is 5-10 1/4 frondell is 6-1 1/2 des is 6-1 1/2 and Martone is 6 3 3/4. IE 2 are slightly taller then expected and 2 are slightly less that may move the needle.
 
I think it would be hard to pass up on Hagens if he's there at #3.

At every level he has dominated players his own age. At the U20's he crushed it.
At the U18s he crushed it. At the U17s he crushed it.
Even against the big NCAA adults he was a ppg player in his freshman season.

Would you pass on Jack Hughes at #3? No f'n way.
Hagens is very comparable in my opinion.

I can see a case for Martone but other than that, it's gotta be Hagens.
Hagens is not Hughes.

I've heard some scouts talk about Hagens being a potential faller on draft day. If he was Hughes, the Hawks wouldn't even have a chance at drafting him.
 
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If Martone comes in at 6' tall I still clearly prefer him over everyone except Misa and Schaeffer and the only potential question would be Martin. I want the frame, I want the leadership, I want the swagger and the compete, I want the elite skill and hockey sense. He will never be a speedster but developing his edges and power skating will make him an elite winger.

Is there some kind of KD brain rot setting in here or what is it with so many posts discounting him? Hagens does not have the body of work or the projection of logan cooley or tim stutzle, and those other guys have real question marks too. What is the question mark on Martone? Skating and what?

Best player available should be the pick. Not the best center or the best skater.
I'm a Martone guy, too, but come on. Hagens, in his D-1 year, destroyed what Cooley did in his draft year in the NTDP. Stutzle is a hard comparison to make, but Hagens international career has been every bit as impressive as his, albeit with a much better supporting cast.

I hope it's one of those two guys.
 
Hagens is a RNH calibre prospect for me right now. Second line guy who can play with your better players
 
Hagens is not Hughes.

I've heard some scouts talk about Hagens being a potential faller on draft day. If he was Hughes, the Hawks wouldn't even have a chance at drafting him.
I find them incredibly similar prospects. I struggle to find another comparison at the top as strongly as I hold those two. I get that I'm higher on Hagens than seemingly everyone, so there's some bias and I own that, but I think the ceiling, skill and styles are as close to par as I can think among the top 5 considered.
 
Ryan Greene seems to be the forgotten prospect here . He should be more than a 4th line guy . Kantserov , Lardis, Boisvert , Vanacker , Pridham where do they factor in ? All these guys should slot in as top 9 forwards. Spellacy , Savoie , Mustard , Ludwinski , Misiak seems like 3rd , probably 4th line guys.
 
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Islanders GM said he would be shocked if he traded away 1st pick. he should say that not matter if he was thinking about it.
 
Ryan Greene seems to be the forgotten prospect here . He should be more than a 4th line guy . Kantserov , Lardis, Boisvert , Vanacker where do they factor in ?

I can see Greene being a 3rd or 4th liner if he plays a smart game.
Lardis and Kantserov are top 6 wingers or bust.
Too early on Vanacker and Boisvert for me. Maybe bottom 6 guys, maybe busts, maybe they find another gear and become studs. Their size gives them that option of become grinders in the NHL if the offense doesn't translate.
 
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Some compare Hagens to Cooley and I know the one called up podcast had player comps and had Hagens as worse Hughes but better Cooley. I think if we end up with Cooley at 3 that would be best case scenario, that being said I don't think Hagens is at Cooley's level.
 
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