2025 NHL DRAFT Thread

[unbridledid]

That's true.

I'm pretty high on O'Brien so I wouldn't be upset at all if we started to get some whispers linking him to the Hawks.

Industry is hot on him too. Rose two spots on Bob's list to claim 7th overall.

On Bob's final board, will he rise again one or two spots over Desnoyers or Hagens? Depending on if those guys shrink at the combine, I wouldn't rule it out. O'Brien is a legit 6'2".

I haven't heard his name mention up this high. The Hawks certainly have seen enough of him with
Lardis and Vanacker in our pool.

 

[dj Mahoney]

To me Brady Martin will be a gem . Not sure what Kyle & Co. think, but he looks like a future Team Captain playoff leader . Maybe a 25 G 35 A . A better version of Mike Peca ? I like him better than O'Brien. A nice interview with Brady .

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[Mjul Qvist]

In Wheeler´s latest and final rankings he has Schaefer and Misa Tier 1 and Tier 2 is Hagens, Martone, Desnoyers and Frondell.

Top 6: 1. Schaefer, 2. Misa, 3. Hagens, 4. Martone, 5. Desnoyers, 6. Frondell

 

[dj Mahoney]

Grant McCagg watched this guy play a ton . He sounds like a real solid pick with maybe our Dallas pick .

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[Mjul Qvist]

I’m starting to lean towards thinking I’d be willing to. The more analysis that comes out presenting Misa as the only clear first line forward in this draft, the more I feel it’s worth the sacrifice

I wouldn´t. Misa might be presented like that atm but who knows what he will be in few years. In 2022 every Hawks fan would´ve traded 13th and 25th pick to get 2nd pick (sure Devils wouldn´t). But if you think of now would you rather have Nazar and Rinzel or Nemec?

 

[The Dark Knight]

Would you give up Toronto's 1st at #25 to select Misa at #2 overall?

Is the value enough? Too much?

Without question. Misa is one of 4 players that have elite potential and he’s the best fit here.

 

[Kevin Musto]

To me Brady Martin will be a gem . Not sure what Kyle & Co. think but he looks like a future Team Captain playoff leader . Maybe a 25 G 35 A . A better version of Mike Peca ? I like him better than O'Brien. A nice interview with Brady .

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I like Martin a fair bit.

3rd overall seems a little high to me.

It would hinge entirely on how much progress he's able to make with his finesse plays.

 

[dj Mahoney]

I like Martin a fair bit.

3rd overall seems a little high to me.

It would hinge entirely on how much progress he's able to make with his finesse plays.

Yea I agree 3rd overall is too high .Top 10 looks like a sure bet. Kashawn Aitcheson seems like he's rising quickly , maybe top 12 ?

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[Kevin Musto]

Yea I agree 3rd overall is too high .Top 10 looks like a sure bet. Kashawn Aitcheson seems like he's rising quickly , maybe top 12 ?

Yeah I could see both of those happening

Martin and Aitcheson are the types of players that show up big during the playoffs

 

[unbridledid]

Yeah I could see both of those happening

Martin and Aitcheson are the types of players that show up big during the playoffs

KM... I am intrigued by your take on O'brien. What does he do as well
or better than Misa ?

It goes without saying that the Hawks have to "score" with picks this
high. So if we can't get Misa then...

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

I wouldn´t. Misa might be presented like that atm but who knows what he will be in few years. In 2022 every Hawks fan would´ve traded 13th and 25th pick to get 2nd pick (sure Devils wouldn´t). But if you think of now would you rather have Nazar and Rinzel or Nemec?

You're using the confirmation bias because it supports your case with two Hawks pick that look like amazing values right now. The problem is that you aren't guaranteed to get another Rinzel at 25th OA. That range of picks have about a 50/50 chance to turn into a quality NHL player.

What about Marleau instead of Cleary and Jones or Heatley instead of Yakupov and Vorobiev?

I would make that deal, because I really like Misa, but wouldn't expect the Sharks to do so. I wouldn't be disappointed in the names we're talking about at 3.

 

[unbridledid]

You're using the confirmation bias because it supports your case with two Hawks pick that look like amazing values right now. The problem is that you aren't guaranteed to get another Rinzel at 25th OA. That range of picks have about a 50/50 chance to turn into a quality NHL player.

What about Marleau instead of Cleary and Jones or Heatley instead of Yakupov and Vorobiev?

I would make that deal, because I really like Misa, but wouldn't expect the Sharks to do so. I wouldn't be disappointed in the names we're talking about at 3.

I remember that draft... I heard at the time the Hawks had the best draft....even the 2nd rounder
Nordquist was supposedly a steal.

 

[Kevin Musto]

KM... I am intrigued by your take on O'brien. What does he do as well
or better than Misa ?

It goes without saying that the Hawks have to "score" with picks this
high. So if we can't get Misa then...

Playmaking would be the only category where I could give O'Brien a leg up over Misa.

But Misa is a very good playmaker as well. I think Martone and O'Brien are the only players in the draft that are better playmakers than Misa.

Misa will have no problem whatsoever racking up assists in the NHL, but I still view him as a scorer primarily. Whereas O'Brien is a true pass-first playmaker.

I'd also say Misa's passing is a lot more by the books. O'Brien has much more wow factor with his vision and what he's able to pull off. Regularly he makes passes that I don't see coming, and naturally he fools defenders with that too. He doesn't easily telegraph his next move.

 

[PatFoleyBarTab88]

You're using the confirmation bias because it supports your case with two Hawks pick that look like amazing values right now. The problem is that you aren't guaranteed to get another Rinzel at 25th OA. That range of picks have about a 50/50 chance to turn into a quality NHL player.

What about Marleau instead of Cleary and Jones or Heatley instead of Yakupov and Vorobiev?

I would make that deal, because I really like Misa, but wouldn't expect the Sharks to do so. I wouldn't be disappointed in the names we're talking about at 3.

Also forgetting that the 22 draft was a real dice roll because these were guys that spent 12ish or so months not playing hockey in that crucial scouting period. I don't remember being overly high on anybody in that draft other than cooley and gauthier.

 

[unbridledid]

Playmaking would be the only category where I could give O'Brien a leg up over Misa.

But Misa is a very good playmaker as well. I think Martone and O'Brien are the only players in the draft that are better playmakers than Misa.

Misa will have no problem whatsoever racking up assists in the NHL, but I still view him as a scorer primarily. Whereas O'Brien is a true pass-first playmaker.

I'd also say Misa's passing is a lot more by the books. O'Brien has much more wow factor with his vision and what he's able to pull off. Regularly he makes passes that I don't see coming, and naturally he fools defenders with that too. He doesn't easily telegraph his next move.

Adam Oates ?

 

[Kevin Musto]

Adam Oates ?

Oates was before I started watching hockey.

O'Brien reminds me a bit of Robert Thomas.

 

[unbridledid]

Oates was before I started watching hockey.

O'Brien reminds me a bit of Robert Thomas.

Oh Hull and Oates were as good as Hall and Oates..

So your #3 is [assuming Schaefer and Misa are gone] .... Martone, O'brien, Hagens....... Desnoyers ? Just
enjoying your feedback and level of player knowledge.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Oh Hull and Oates were as good as Hall and Oates..

Generational duo.

So your #3 is [assuming Schaefer and Misa are gone] .... Martone, O'brien, Hagens....... Desnoyers ? Just
enjoying your feedback and level of player knowledge.

In terms of picks that are realistic, I think Martone and O'Brien would be my front runners. Hagens and Desnoyers would be behind them, but I really do need to see confirmation from Desnoyers that he's going the college route if I'm going to include him in that conversation.

I have other players I'm high on, but I just don't think they're viewed by scouts as options at 3.

 

[hawksfan50]

Ok...if playibg thru injury hampered Desnoyer at Memorial Cup and for a few games to finish Q Finals,I accept that reason why hevpnly got 1 goal in hisvkadt 10 games pkayed and was -6 over these games..
Likewise I presume Misa pkayed hurt over his last 10GP where his poi ts per game season average over 2 dropped to 1.3 anf his +/- was Negative 16 over these last 10Gp..

Playing i Jared must be the sole reason for such pour performance relative to excellence before this drop ...
So sire Health is a factor in proper evaluations.


.so ia AGE...How can you compare relative toubgsters(Jake O'brien and Brady Martin to old forest lije Martine and Hagens and Frobsell...well it does not matter of you are clearly suoerior(ie Schaefer who is one if tge very youngest in this draft with a Sept.2097 birthdate ...making homnalmost a year younger than Martobe)..but in other cases like Martin and O'brien,ie October 2006 vs.April and June 2007 ,you need to factor the extra body development runway time and maturity to assess pro readiness and EVA'S in the show.

So KD still has a lot of decisions to finalize his target...Betting in runway or Perhaps quicker pro ready ...and how mich didvi juries late change perception on sone who fizzled out down the fival stretch or tge explanation of playing hampered satisfies any possible 2nd thoughts?

I still think KD's bigger question is to answer if Bedard can be made ibto a better 2 way C or is forced to thecwibg die to defendibgbissues which have got to be better if he pkays C..

That decision is the key to the draft decision of takibg a Center solution or a winger solution to help Bedard.


I do not see Desnoyers as a somytion to help Bedard..if you take him you hopexfor a Toews to man up vs. Opps top line C...
Frondel=too slow.. doescnot pass KD skating standards..

Hagebs=,anotger shrimp.. Hawksxhave lotscofcskilked smalk players..

So tgevobvuoys wibger help to Bedard is Martone.
O"Brien is highest celing C to feed Bedard i to 50+ goals if Brdard pjays wing..but is not ready as Martobe to step into NHL this season..Gottaa add weight on 170 lb frame..Needsxto show he can score more goalschinselfcas a go to 1C.
Needs anitgerxseasin I Jrs to get to the end of the longer runway.

Martin is a unique combo of physicality sjilk and comoete..Hawks need more jam ..but jam with skill up on either libec1vorxlibe 2.


So a lot depends on what KD wants..Inmeduatecsteo into lineup...Martone .wait...O'Brien or Desnoyers...both need to add to lanky frames and imorovevon weaker aspects of their game s at this stage of their development.


Martin...sonexsay he coukdvpjay in NHL now duecto pro stylecand physicality ..but sticking him as 3rdcir 4th line checker has no real purpose..So probably best he stays in Jr 1 more season to get even better as a scorer and playmaker so that he can a top 2 line C role.

 

[bwanajamba]

To me O'Brien is both the most aesthetically pleasing and most frustrating playmaker in the top 10. I guess the question is whether he projects to make more of the beautiful and creative passes that pop on film and less of the wasteful and questionable decisions. I think there's more substance to the playmaking of Misa/Martone/Hagens.

I also wish O'Brien showed more at even strength. By the eye test he just doesn't push play towards the net at 5v5. This bears out in the numbers. He had a split of 9 PP goals/23 ES goals - 41 PP assists/25 ES assists = 50 PP points/48 ES points. The splits for some other guys:

Misa: 21 PPG/41 ESG - 23 PPA/49 ESA = 44 PPP/90 ESP
Martone: 7 PPG/30 ESG - 22 PPA/39 ESA = 29 PPP/69 ESP
Hagens: 2PPG/9ESG - 5PPA/21 ESA = 7 PPP/30 ESP (seem low? BC as a team scored 18 power play goals all year with all that talent. Pretty unbelievable. And they only gave up 10 on the PK)
Desnoyers: 6 PPG/29 ESG - 13 PPA/36 ESA = 19 PPP/65 ESP

Maybe we are punishing O'Brien here for being on a league-best power play, which he certainly helped to create, but it was only 1.2% better than Saginaw's, for example, and the other top scorers on his team didn't have such PP-heavy splits.

The trend for O'Brien extends somewhat to last year too- 8 PPG/5 ESG - 19 PPA/32 ESA = 27 PPP/37 ESP. Not quite as powerplay-reliant but close enough to make me think it may not just be a quirk of this season.

You could argue that being reliant on the PP to produce isn't inherently bad, but I think this exercise captures a frustration I have when watching him.

Sorry to be a nerd.

 

[dj Mahoney]

The 2025 Draft seems to have a lot of what the Blackhawks need , big power forward types. The kind that are flying under the radar , that project in the middle rounds . Boom or Bust types .

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

I remember that draft... I heard at the time the Hawks had the best draft....even the 2nd rounder
Nordquist was supposedly a steal.

Mike Smith for the loss! ;o)

It is interesting with hindsight to look back at the 2000 draft where there was a very significant Russian presence with 6 guys busting and only Frolov & Volchenkov having any sort of NHL career. I remember in 2005 the talking heads say there's no way the Hawks take Kopitar because they were so gunshy of Euro's after the 2000 debacle.

 

[unbridledid]

Mike Smith for the loss! ;o)

It is interesting with hindsight to look back at the 2000 draft where there was a very significant Russian presence with 6 guys busting and only Frolov & Volchenkov having any sort of NHL career. I remember in 2005 the talking heads say there's no way the Hawks take Kopitar because they were so gunshy of Euro's after the 2000 debacle.

Toews and Kopitar up the middle... It isn't Sid and Malkin, but wow .

 

[unbridledid]

The 2025 Draft seems to have a lot of what the Blackhawks need , big power forward types. The kind that are flying under the radar , that project in the middle rounds . Boom or Bust types .

Our two thirds (dallas' 2nd is basically a high third) too rich for fishing in those waters ?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Silly season gals and boys