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Who should we pick 3rd overall (assuming Schaefer and Misa are gone)?

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Also doesn't Ryan Roobroeck profile as a massively skilled power forward coming out of next year's draft? There's also Vorhoeff who seems like a stud RHD and then there are the Swedes and McKenna. I'm really happy with anyone in the top 5 and that is why I hope to god they don't do anything that costs them the 26 1st. No offer sheets above 4.8 or whatever it is.
 
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hawksfan50 said:
Ok ...here is the summary for all the main candidates as potential Hawks picks giving their Final 10n"performances" of the season beforex couts' eyes with the caveat that different levels of hockey were involved:including Micael Misa just in case he either falls to Hawks at #3 OR they trade up fo r him..

Lastc10GP:

Michael Misa 6g 7a -16 all vs.OHL jrs.

Porter Martone 7g 6a +6 6 gp vs.OHL
4 gp at WHC*
*1g 1a

Caleb Desnoyers 1 g 7a -6 6gp vs. QMJHL
4gp at Mem Cup

James Hagens 4g 4a +2 all vs.NCAA


Anton Frondell 1g 5a +6 5gp Allsvenskan
then 5gp at workd u18s*
So last 5GP at w u18s= 1g 2a +3


Jake Obrien 2g 7a 0...all vs.OHL jrs.

Brady Martin 5g 9a + 14
7of these last 10GP at workd u18s*
* 3g 8a +15

FROM ALL THE ABOVE 2 BEST performances over their last 10Gp were:

1.Brady Martin
2.Poerter Marobe.

If fibal lasting impressions make any ultimate difference Zzto the Hawks then thse 2 should go to top of the list.

It is often said that a bad stretch of games may not hurt a draft prospect if the rest of hiscseadon was very good..but a hoid fibal impressions down the last stretch of performances can rose a prospect in svoutsxeues..

So I will leave it at that..
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You are conveniently ignoring the fact that both Misa and Desnoyers were battling injuries when their respective seasons ended.
 
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MHO said:
Also doesn't Ryan Roobroeck profile as a massively skilled power forward coming out of next year's draft? There's also Vorhoeff who seems like a stud RHD and then there are the Swedes and McKenna. I'm really happy with anyone in the top 5 and that is why I hope to god they don't do anything that costs them the 26 1st. No offer sheets above 4.8 or whatever it is.
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They would be dumb to offer sheet anyone that potentially costs their first round pick next year.
 
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Toews2Bickell said:
I guess there is a slight difference in philosophy on the draft. I think first round picks given there is a much higher probability of making the NHL should be evaluated with fit as much as talent, its easier to pencil these players into your lineup in 1-2 years down the road. The rest of the draft I think you just go purely BPA and bet on traits to outperform their draft slot and maybe get lucky on something but projecting these players in your lineup 3-5 years down the road is probably a waste of time.

If I had to rank my personal top 4 for this pick it would be Hagens/Frondell, Martone, Desnoyers...Hagens just seems like a pick and forget type of move where if it fails nobody faults you down the road but if you overthink it and he crushes it you end up taking a ton of heat for passing on him. Frondell intrigues me for the same reasons Rinzel did, the physical traits and projecting out to what he could be if it pans out, nothing excites me enough with Desnoyers to take him over Hagens, Martone is just not a center so if thats what they want then he's not going to be in the discussion for the pick if thats what they want at 3...but Martone and Hagens do seem like the two pick and forget type players and if they fail nobody will fault you for making the decision
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I agree with what you are saying about Hagens. Cohen and the EP guys are down on him, saying his ceiling could be like Matt Duchene. His floor is probably a inconsistent 50 point offensive center right?

My evaluation of the roster and the pipeline is that if development continues to an acceptable degree and we add some above average utility players, this is a wild card team in a year or two (and we also establish 91 98 as 1C 2C), we need to at least weigh the concept of needing players with the archetype that will help us win in the playoffs. I don't think Hagens or a Duchene type player helps you in the playoffs. I think a Brady Martin, Porter Martone, Desnoyers do. I think you can project these players to be capable of impacting a game like Hagel, Dannault, Wheeler: they are able to control play and generate offense when the ice shrinks.

Martone is a captain and played on the top PK unit for the Steelheads. What is the floor for a guy like that who has already established his playmaking and high end skill? You can't ignore what is happening the past several years in the playoffs. If Martone is two inches shorter and 15 pounds lighter, I still think this is a player that can develop his game to thrive in playoff hockey, he has the potential to be versatile in how he is deployed and how he executes his game. I don't see that with Hagens from last year and I don't hear that from analysts either.

I would be much more comfortable with Martone than Hagens.
 
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Mrfenn92 said:
They would dumb to offer sheet anyone that potentially costs their first round pick next year.
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That's why I don't think offer sheets are going to be that big of a deal. Yeah everyone is talking about them because of what happened last year and how St Louis benefitted greatly from it. But this season is different as the cap is going up significantly so teams will have the ability to match. And nobody wants to give up their first round pick for next year.

I think it's more likely that the Hawks' RFAs are targeted because they have a lot of players worthy of bottom of the roster spots and players that would sign for less than 1.5M AAV. I don't see the Hawks matching if there's significant term on those sheets.
 
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MHO said:
Also doesn't Ryan Roobroeck profile as a massively skilled power forward coming out of next year's draft? There's also Vorhoeff who seems like a stud RHD and then there are the Swedes and McKenna. I'm really happy with anyone in the top 5 and that is why I hope to god they don't do anything that costs them the 26 1st. No offer sheets above 4.8 or whatever it is.
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in an ideal world this year is a good development year where they're competitive but lose a lot of one goal games so they can draft top 5 with a decent shot at McKenna
 
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Kevin Musto said:
For LHD, it's Haoxi Wang for me.

He's way way off from playing in the NHL, but he has the upside to be an elite shutdown defender.

And I like his odds cause he'll be spending 3-4 years developing at BU.
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Haoxi is an interesting project. If he reaches his ceiling he would be a monster on D. He's projected to go somewhere in the second round or maybe early 3rd but he's being scouted heavily so probably the second. McKenzie has him at 31 where all the others have him all the way through the second up to 64th OA. Can you imagine having a 6.6 D launching howitzers from the point on PP? We haven't had a D with a cannon that terrorizes the opposition in quite some time!
 
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Haoxi is an interesting project. If he reaches his ceiling he would be a monster on D. He's projected to go somewhere in the second round or maybe early 3rd but he's being scouted heavily so probably the second. McKenzie has him at 31 where all the others have him all the way through the second up to 64th OA. Can you imagine having a 6.6 D launching howitzers from the point on PP? We haven't had a D with a cannon that terrorizes the opposition in quite some time!
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I think NHL scouts are more intrigued by his potential than internet pundits. I don't think there's any way he makes it to the 3rd round.

I don't know that he'll develop a bomb from the point, but we'll see.

If that's what you're looking for, then Kashawn Aitcheson is your guy.
 
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Toews2Bickell said:
in an ideal world this year is a good development year where they're competitive but lose a lot of one goal games so they can draft top 5 with a decent shot at McKenna
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Even with the development of many of the Hawks' prospects, what teams are they clearly going to be better than next year? It still doesn't look like any team is going to start a rebuild next year and all of the other rebuilding teams besides San Jose are ahead of them right now.
 
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Kevin Musto said:
I think NHL scouts are more intrigued by his potential than internet pundits. I don't think there's any way he makes it to the 3rd round.

I don't know that he'll develop a bomb from the point, but we'll see.

If that's what you're looking for, then Kashawn Aitcheson is your guy.
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Yeah that's the thing as he has tremendous upside as a shut down force but there's also some potential for that big point shot. Kashawn will be long gone I would imagine by our second first no?
 
MHO said:
Even with the development of many of the Hawks' prospects, what teams are they clearly going to be better than next year? It still doesn't look like any team is going to start a rebuild next year and all of the other rebuilding teams besides San Jose are ahead of them right now.
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hard to say without seeing what the opening night rosters look like, but also not writing off the fact that maybe a young group of players come in and surprise some people with really competitive hockey and they win more games than expected, not willing to have that as a complete non-possibility just yet given what we saw at the end of the season...I'm team tank another year so they can at least add one more blue chip forward to the group, so hopefully your scenario is what plays out
 
MHO said:
Even with the development of many of the Hawks' prospects, what teams are they clearly going to be better than next year? It still doesn't look like any team is going to start a rebuild next year and all of the other rebuilding teams besides San Jose are ahead of them right now.
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The Islanders suck up front. Buffalo looks ripe for an organizational collapse. I don't see too much scoring on Seattle. That's about it.

Only scenario for Hawks being competitive is exceptional special teams and 98 going sicko mode.
 
MHO said:
That's why I don't think offer sheets are going to be that big of a deal. Yeah everyone is talking about them because of what happened last year and how St Louis benefitted greatly from it. But this season is different as the cap is going up significantly so teams will have the ability to match. And nobody wants to give up their first round pick for next year.

I think it's more likely that the Hawks' RFAs are targeted because they have a lot of players worthy of bottom of the roster spots and players that would sign for less than 1.5M AAV. I don't see the Hawks matching if there's significant term on those sheets.
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Offersheets are always going to be strategically done. St Louis gave up a 2nd and a 3rd which ended up #51 & #83. In no world are the Hawks putting a likely top 5 (and most rosy outloook still a top 10) pick in play for any RFA this Summer. I like Peterka, but I am not even considering an offershhet that costs a' 26 1st for him. Knies I like a lot, but other than a slight daydream....he is not worth that either.

I suspect you will see a few offersheets attempted....Borque for a 2nd is a no brainer and Dallas may be in a spot financially to just take the 2nd. I could see Peterka get a sheet from someone like the Kings where they know they are a playoff team and the 1st is in the late teens or 20's even if everything goes wrong.
 
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PatFoleyBarTab88 said:
The Islanders suck up front. Buffalo looks ripe for an organizational collapse. I don't see too much scoring on Seattle. That's about it.
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IDK about that.

I can see alot of teams give up half a season in without a strong start for a shot at McKenna.

If the Hawks are losing on purpose so can other teams.
 
MHO said:
That's why I don't think offer sheets are going to be that big of a deal. Yeah everyone is talking about them because of what happened last year and how St Louis benefitted greatly from it. But this season is different as the cap is going up significantly so teams will have the ability to match. And nobody wants to give up their first round pick for next year.

I think it's more likely that the Hawks' RFAs are targeted because they have a lot of players worthy of bottom of the roster spots and players that would sign for less than 1.5M AAV. I don't see the Hawks matching if there's significant term on those sheets.
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Totally agree.

To get to the point where a team would be required to give up their 1st round pick in 2026, they would have to sign an RFA to a contract with an offer sheet average between $7,020,114 - $9,360,153. They would also need to have their own 2nd and 3rd round picks since the compensation would be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks, all being native to the signing team. Currently there are only 13 teams which meet that criteria:

Anaheim, Calgary, L.A., Seattle, N.J., Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Nashville, Utah, Boston, Detroit and Montreal.

Most of those teams are not high enough in the standings that they should even risk losing a top 5 OA pick and would look incredibly stupid for losing out on drafting a potential franchise player like McKenna. Honestly L.A. and N.J. are probably the only two who should have any comfort that they won’t be a lottery team in 2026.

So which players available would be worth that level of compensation and whose current team may have difficulty matching if they were offer sheeted for $9.36m? Bouchard, Knies… and that’s probably it.

Even an offer sheet average between $4,680,077 - $7,020,113 is going to cost the signing team their 2026 1st and 3rd round picks. I can’t see to many teams being willing to risk paying that price for next tier RFA’s like Dobson, L. Hughes, Peterka, Rossi, Vilardi etc.
 
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EddieTheEagle said:
Would you give up Toronto's 1st at #25 to select Misa at #2 overall?

Is the value enough? Too much?
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I’m starting to lean towards thinking I’d be willing to. The more analysis that comes out presenting Misa as the only clear first line forward in this draft, the more I feel it’s worth the sacrifice
 
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