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So Desnoyers finished his ksdt game of tge season in the Memorial Cup Semi-final Moncton loss to London with 1g 2a..
So he fibishedvupnhos season over last 10GP with 1g 7a -6...hardly inspiring for the hype ona posdible #3candudate for the Hawks tovtake.
His final 7 GP were only 1g 1a ...pretty Insignificant.. not pkayong his best hockey and fizxling at the endcwhen you want to mKe best i.presdionon the scouts.
Yes you can dismiss this a s a rough patch vs. Hosxehoke season...justcas you could dismiss that horrible -16 fromMichael Misa his last 10GP including-10in his playoff series of 6GP..
Tge Frindell gets benched by his coach in his final playoffs and fizzles with underwhelming even bad performance at u18s.
Warts showi g up when the spotlight on themnin importan fibal inoresdiontime.
Hagensca shrimp and underwhelming freshman seadon at BC despite very privileged to playbon the #1team mostvofctge sesxonand had Leonard and Prreaukt on his wings most of the season.
Leaves Pieter Martine Bd the 2ndchakfxand kate Riser Brady Martin who dod impress over his fibal 10GP including terrific impressive performance at u18s..
Tgevitger pisdibikuty is Jake O'brien given hiscyoungerxstatus (8 months younger thanMartone and 7 months younger than Hagebs..it is lije a whoke hockey year of maturing and development behind.. Martin too is relatively young beibg 6 months younger thanMartobe andc5 months younger than HGens..so maybevyou bet on the younger ones to develop even better..
In any case I do not think I saw much offensive spark from Desnoyers over his last bunch of games...do not see a player tilting the ice ..
If it is me picking I woukd take Brady Martin...but I think KD will take Martone despite the slower pace and lack of explosive speed
Plus he may think the NHL body and size and older age for tge draft class mayalkiw immediate use in the Show Nd he hopes he can extract a bit more consistent physical play from him.
OR maybe hexsurproses and best on da yute O'brien to emerge as a dominant top ofctge league scorer i the OHL this season when given the 1C role in Brantford and that another yearvof Juniors development can add the mass to his skin 6'2170s frame to get homeve more strength and and work on improvong his skatibg speed which did improve from where it was at start ofcseason but stillness more to compete at NHL level.O'briebdoez have ekite pssibg pkaynakibg and his shotvis goid but he is a liw volume shooter with avoass first mentality...maybectgey bet he shoots more in the 1C go to roke this seaxonand rounds out his gMe to become a top cebter prospect who will put up as my libtsxor norecthan eve Misa in theboris?
But both Marto be and O'brien have tge possibility of not reaching star top linevpkayers...
Maybe Brady Martin does not do that either.. but his floor is a very very hogh 2C or 4C or 2W or 3W sich tgat whatever kine you use him one will be mich betterand it willbe a focal libe helping Hawks tilt the ice and conoete at relentless level and score well to balance out tge effectiveness of the Hawks as a team.
So tge Certaibty that Martin willbe King tome important NHL cog for tgecteam drafting hom is attractive to teams ..butc s a high high floor of 60-70points guy with a 200ft game,hard work and ultra compete ,very very physical kid who uses his 6'0 180 size more lije 6' 240..who does so many things well that you want...whi coukd be future captain material..is such a guy worth the #3o r do you bet onMartone or O'brienbeibg higher production 90s + top line "stars"..
All I am song is that Martibe isxa unique combo of physicality conpege and some good skills.. but that O'brien and Martobe are exceptional playmaker.. But I think Martin's shot is better..
Martin has improved his passing Nd use of teMates over this season but is not yet at the level of O'brien or Martone.
Martin us more physical than thise 2...works harder and is more consistent in his work rate.
However Martone and Obrien as 1RW and 1C eventually could be the duo partner that ignites Bedard to 50 goal pkayer whether Bedard is 1C for Martone at 1RW setting him up or is 1RW for O'brien at 1C setting him up ..Martone maybe you insert in25/26...O'brien needs another season i Juniors to mass up and learn a more go to role as1C..
Not sure Martin's style and high co Pete will get Brdard into more pro level hits to cutcdown that -39 . Pkayibg harder in a checking roke is energy taxibg..not sure Brdardxhas shown he can fix that missing defebsive and hard work element
to round out his game.
Howver Martin can use his relentless forecheck to dig pucks outfrom biard battles and dish to Bedard off that type of effort and compete..Can they work well as a top line duo or will style clash?
Do not know..but at least Martin adds physical pkay to a soft Bedard line.Will that inspire Bedard ? Do not know.
However Martin and Nszar coukd reLky function well I think on line 2..Could be a very gokd libe 2 combo I think.
So that is tge KD decision..Potentia help for Bedardcto score mkre with a line1 mate...or Add a nice pkaydr who helps in a lotvof areas and has at least a certain hogh high floor as a kibe 2 guy maki g tgat kibe soecial. But has a chance to also make line 1 better ..usevinalk situatiobs giy including PK and Pp..a faster skater thN eitger Margibe or O'brken....notcekite skater but fadtxenough when you combine the hocey I Q and hustle to check ,get pucks back and turn those to attack ..
As I said I woukd choose Brady Nartinat #3but I think KD goes with Martobe as playmaker for setting up Brdard..or betscon O'brien hitting hogher celing and setting up Brdard and scori g more goals himself. if he uos his shot volume and outscore more mass to his frame to conoete vs.NHK pros.
The others.. Hagens Frondell and Desnoyers DO NOT seem like fits ...Hagens too smal ..Frondell too slow,and Desnoyers did not wow enough over last 10GP...upside questions and questions about Q co petition levelto take a orosoect as high as #3.
I would bet on the Riser Brady Martin..less questioning hom becoming key cog for a team at NHL level...already plays pro style hockey and pro work habits you wish for yourvpkayets coaches will love hom..Linenates will love pkayong with him...fans will love home. YOUR team will hate playing against him of you bypass hom and let another team draft hom.
I am sure in Hawks scout and draft target list finalization meetings they are mulkig alk of what I saud above .
Maybe KD tries moving upto #1 to get Misa.. but not certain that offer gets accepted.
So for #3 KD can gamble on higher ceking and best Bedard potebtial dup match on a line Or he cN grab certain very high high floor and at keastca 2nd kibe unique "catalyst " player in Marti...Interesting thatvitcseems Flyers want the physical Martin as a future 1C for Michkov ..
So why not instead Hawks grab him as 1C for Bedard moving to wing on line 1?
I woukd not bet agaibst Martin achieving anything g he is asked to do..That hevis so versatile as to position equally effective as wibg or Cebter with his pro style thT he shoukd mKecaby line better..But still you wobderxabout ckash of style between homand BrdRd..A more physical libec1 tou want but any libe witb Brdard is almost by definition not goibg to be thought off as physical.
So I just do not know if Martin and Brdard can click..
I do thi k Martin a d Nazar somehow woukd click.
Kd has to weigh all the possibilities if the goal is to find the right fit to help Brdard to superstardom...Butvif the goal is better TEAM succes..I woukd take the certainty and unique aspects Martin can bring to the table.
Eithger Bedard and whoever is on his line outscore his drfebsive issues (ie.a 100 points Bedard could get his plus monus down closer to tge positive side) OR Bedard abd his kibe perform better and work harder to prevent goals and they score a bit more (eg 80 poibts ;Bedard but defensive performance removes that -39...ice tilts more time spent in o-zone...such that line 1 cones in maybe +10to + 15 at least in improved net differential 5x5.
I wonder if Martone or O'brien can do tgat defensively with Brdard...it ratger seems tgey gotta get hom to 100 points to outscore goal prevention issues.
I think the 200ft game of Martin could help Bedard cut down goals against but will their styles clash offensively?
So a lot to con7sider for KD..
So he fibishedvupnhos season over last 10GP with 1g 7a -6...hardly inspiring for the hype ona posdible #3candudate for the Hawks tovtake.
His final 7 GP were only 1g 1a ...pretty Insignificant.. not pkayong his best hockey and fizxling at the endcwhen you want to mKe best i.presdionon the scouts.
Yes you can dismiss this a s a rough patch vs. Hosxehoke season...justcas you could dismiss that horrible -16 fromMichael Misa his last 10GP including-10in his playoff series of 6GP..
Tge Frindell gets benched by his coach in his final playoffs and fizzles with underwhelming even bad performance at u18s.
Warts showi g up when the spotlight on themnin importan fibal inoresdiontime.
Hagensca shrimp and underwhelming freshman seadon at BC despite very privileged to playbon the #1team mostvofctge sesxonand had Leonard and Prreaukt on his wings most of the season.
Leaves Pieter Martine Bd the 2ndchakfxand kate Riser Brady Martin who dod impress over his fibal 10GP including terrific impressive performance at u18s..
Tgevitger pisdibikuty is Jake O'brien given hiscyoungerxstatus (8 months younger thanMartone and 7 months younger than Hagebs..it is lije a whoke hockey year of maturing and development behind.. Martin too is relatively young beibg 6 months younger thanMartobe andc5 months younger than HGens..so maybevyou bet on the younger ones to develop even better..
In any case I do not think I saw much offensive spark from Desnoyers over his last bunch of games...do not see a player tilting the ice ..
If it is me picking I woukd take Brady Martin...but I think KD will take Martone despite the slower pace and lack of explosive speed
Plus he may think the NHL body and size and older age for tge draft class mayalkiw immediate use in the Show Nd he hopes he can extract a bit more consistent physical play from him.
OR maybe hexsurproses and best on da yute O'brien to emerge as a dominant top ofctge league scorer i the OHL this season when given the 1C role in Brantford and that another yearvof Juniors development can add the mass to his skin 6'2170s frame to get homeve more strength and and work on improvong his skatibg speed which did improve from where it was at start ofcseason but stillness more to compete at NHL level.O'briebdoez have ekite pssibg pkaynakibg and his shotvis goid but he is a liw volume shooter with avoass first mentality...maybectgey bet he shoots more in the 1C go to roke this seaxonand rounds out his gMe to become a top cebter prospect who will put up as my libtsxor norecthan eve Misa in theboris?
But both Marto be and O'brien have tge possibility of not reaching star top linevpkayers...
Maybe Brady Martin does not do that either.. but his floor is a very very hogh 2C or 4C or 2W or 3W sich tgat whatever kine you use him one will be mich betterand it willbe a focal libe helping Hawks tilt the ice and conoete at relentless level and score well to balance out tge effectiveness of the Hawks as a team.
So tge Certaibty that Martin willbe King tome important NHL cog for tgecteam drafting hom is attractive to teams ..butc s a high high floor of 60-70points guy with a 200ft game,hard work and ultra compete ,very very physical kid who uses his 6'0 180 size more lije 6' 240..who does so many things well that you want...whi coukd be future captain material..is such a guy worth the #3o r do you bet onMartone or O'brienbeibg higher production 90s + top line "stars"..
All I am song is that Martibe isxa unique combo of physicality conpege and some good skills.. but that O'brien and Martobe are exceptional playmaker.. But I think Martin's shot is better..
Martin has improved his passing Nd use of teMates over this season but is not yet at the level of O'brien or Martone.
Martin us more physical than thise 2...works harder and is more consistent in his work rate.
However Martone and Obrien as 1RW and 1C eventually could be the duo partner that ignites Bedard to 50 goal pkayer whether Bedard is 1C for Martone at 1RW setting him up or is 1RW for O'brien at 1C setting him up ..Martone maybe you insert in25/26...O'brien needs another season i Juniors to mass up and learn a more go to role as1C..
Not sure Martin's style and high co Pete will get Brdard into more pro level hits to cutcdown that -39 . Pkayibg harder in a checking roke is energy taxibg..not sure Brdardxhas shown he can fix that missing defebsive and hard work element
to round out his game.
Howver Martin can use his relentless forecheck to dig pucks outfrom biard battles and dish to Bedard off that type of effort and compete..Can they work well as a top line duo or will style clash?
Do not know..but at least Martin adds physical pkay to a soft Bedard line.Will that inspire Bedard ? Do not know.
However Martin and Nszar coukd reLky function well I think on line 2..Could be a very gokd libe 2 combo I think.
So that is tge KD decision..Potentia help for Bedardcto score mkre with a line1 mate...or Add a nice pkaydr who helps in a lotvof areas and has at least a certain hogh high floor as a kibe 2 guy maki g tgat kibe soecial. But has a chance to also make line 1 better ..usevinalk situatiobs giy including PK and Pp..a faster skater thN eitger Margibe or O'brken....notcekite skater but fadtxenough when you combine the hocey I Q and hustle to check ,get pucks back and turn those to attack ..
As I said I woukd choose Brady Nartinat #3but I think KD goes with Martobe as playmaker for setting up Brdard..or betscon O'brien hitting hogher celing and setting up Brdard and scori g more goals himself. if he uos his shot volume and outscore more mass to his frame to conoete vs.NHK pros.
The others.. Hagens Frondell and Desnoyers DO NOT seem like fits ...Hagens too smal ..Frondell too slow,and Desnoyers did not wow enough over last 10GP...upside questions and questions about Q co petition levelto take a orosoect as high as #3.
I would bet on the Riser Brady Martin..less questioning hom becoming key cog for a team at NHL level...already plays pro style hockey and pro work habits you wish for yourvpkayets coaches will love hom..Linenates will love pkayong with him...fans will love home. YOUR team will hate playing against him of you bypass hom and let another team draft hom.
I am sure in Hawks scout and draft target list finalization meetings they are mulkig alk of what I saud above .
Maybe KD tries moving upto #1 to get Misa.. but not certain that offer gets accepted.
So for #3 KD can gamble on higher ceking and best Bedard potebtial dup match on a line Or he cN grab certain very high high floor and at keastca 2nd kibe unique "catalyst " player in Marti...Interesting thatvitcseems Flyers want the physical Martin as a future 1C for Michkov ..
So why not instead Hawks grab him as 1C for Bedard moving to wing on line 1?
I woukd not bet agaibst Martin achieving anything g he is asked to do..That hevis so versatile as to position equally effective as wibg or Cebter with his pro style thT he shoukd mKecaby line better..But still you wobderxabout ckash of style between homand BrdRd..A more physical libec1 tou want but any libe witb Brdard is almost by definition not goibg to be thought off as physical.
So I just do not know if Martin and Brdard can click..
I do thi k Martin a d Nazar somehow woukd click.
Kd has to weigh all the possibilities if the goal is to find the right fit to help Brdard to superstardom...Butvif the goal is better TEAM succes..I woukd take the certainty and unique aspects Martin can bring to the table.
Eithger Bedard and whoever is on his line outscore his drfebsive issues (ie.a 100 points Bedard could get his plus monus down closer to tge positive side) OR Bedard abd his kibe perform better and work harder to prevent goals and they score a bit more (eg 80 poibts ;Bedard but defensive performance removes that -39...ice tilts more time spent in o-zone...such that line 1 cones in maybe +10to + 15 at least in improved net differential 5x5.
I wonder if Martone or O'brien can do tgat defensively with Brdard...it ratger seems tgey gotta get hom to 100 points to outscore goal prevention issues.
I think the 200ft game of Martin could help Bedard cut down goals against but will their styles clash offensively?
So a lot to con7sider for KD..
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Do the Hawks double tap Center with 2/3 top 35 draft picks or do we try to go C/W/D?
I presume we will pick for need at 25 and 34 out of a group of BPA players. Boisvert, Moore, Nazar, and Bedard were drafted as centers. I wonder if the Hawks management believes we are good at center and only takes a shot at one more.
I presume we will pick for need at 25 and 34 out of a group of BPA players. Boisvert, Moore, Nazar, and Bedard were drafted as centers. I wonder if the Hawks management believes we are good at center and only takes a shot at one more.
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When you're rebuilding, everything is a need
Draft BPA
I think so, but Martin kind of belongs in that group too
Yes he's a wrecking ball, but he still needs to pack a lot onto his frame
He gets knocked over just as easily as he knocks others over
Is that what was said? I was waiting for the translator.O'Brien confirmed too woke
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It simply would never happen.
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Because NHL teams don't do extensive trades in that way.
The team getting a bunch of 2nds 3rds, and sure a late 1st pick, yet not worth it for the other teams. They don't add up to the value of a 9th overall pick. Besides an NHL GM by their nature is never going to do that move.
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Weirdly, the Hawks should probably draft some defensemen as silly as it sounds. 2023 they essentially drafted 0 D and 2024 it’s basically just Levshunov.
With Rinzel levshunov and EDM Kaiser Allan all essentially being graduated or taxi squad guys there really isn’t much in Rockford and there is nothing in college or junior coming behind
With Rinzel levshunov and EDM Kaiser Allan all essentially being graduated or taxi squad guys there really isn’t much in Rockford and there is nothing in college or junior coming behind
It’s ty Henry and Janne Peltonen carrying the unsigned D prospect torch.
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I wouldn't hate a defenseman at 25 or 34 if there is anything intriguing on the left side, potential KK replacement if they decide to move him for an equivalent NHL forward
I get that in most instances and it definitely wouldn't be able to get you 1 or 2OA. But you think the difference between 9 and 25 in this draft is greater than 2 2nds, a 3rd, 4th, 6th, and 7th? Especially for a team like Pittsburgh that has zero prospects and an old roster.
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A team with zero prospects is just that much more desperate to nail that 9th overall pick. They have other ways to acquire extra later round picks if that's what they decide they want to do.
Ok ...here is the summary for all the main candidates as potential Hawks picks giving their Final 10n"performances" of the season beforex couts' eyes with the caveat that different levels of hockey were involved:including Micael Misa just in case he either falls to Hawks at #3 OR they trade up fo r him..
Lastc10GP:
Michael Misa 6g 7a -16 all vs.OHL jrs.
Porter Martone 7g 6a +6 6 gp vs.OHL
4 gp at WHC*
*1g 1a
Caleb Desnoyers 1 g 7a -6 6gp vs. QMJHL
4gp at Mem Cup
James Hagens 4g 4a +2 all vs.NCAA
Anton Frondell 1g 5a +6 5gp Allsvenskan
then 5gp at workd u18s*
So last 5GP at w u18s= 1g 2a +3
Jake Obrien 2g 7a 0...all vs.OHL jrs.
Brady Martin 5g 9a + 14
7of these last 10GP at workd u18s*
* 3g 8a +15
FROM ALL THE ABOVE 2 BEST performances over their last 10Gp were:
1.Brady Martin
2.Poerter Marobe.
If fibal lasting impressions make any ultimate difference Zzto the Hawks then thse 2 should go to top of the list.
It is often said that a bad stretch of games may not hurt a draft prospect if the rest of hiscseadon was very good..but a hoid fibal impressions down the last stretch of performances can rose a prospect in svoutsxeues..
So I will leave it at that..
Lastc10GP:
Michael Misa 6g 7a -16 all vs.OHL jrs.
Porter Martone 7g 6a +6 6 gp vs.OHL
4 gp at WHC*
*1g 1a
Caleb Desnoyers 1 g 7a -6 6gp vs. QMJHL
4gp at Mem Cup
James Hagens 4g 4a +2 all vs.NCAA
Anton Frondell 1g 5a +6 5gp Allsvenskan
then 5gp at workd u18s*
So last 5GP at w u18s= 1g 2a +3
Jake Obrien 2g 7a 0...all vs.OHL jrs.
Brady Martin 5g 9a + 14
7of these last 10GP at workd u18s*
* 3g 8a +15
FROM ALL THE ABOVE 2 BEST performances over their last 10Gp were:
1.Brady Martin
2.Poerter Marobe.
If fibal lasting impressions make any ultimate difference Zzto the Hawks then thse 2 should go to top of the list.
It is often said that a bad stretch of games may not hurt a draft prospect if the rest of hiscseadon was very good..but a hoid fibal impressions down the last stretch of performances can rose a prospect in svoutsxeues..
So I will leave it at that..
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Henry looks like he'll get a contract , not sure about the Finn?
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I'm not even gonna bother reading your b.s. on your continued Brady Martin love (I bet you probably had Tyler Boucher high on your list in the 2021 draft too. Probably top 5) but I'll bet none of their performances in the playoffs will effect their draft stock at all. Oh and news flash, Caleb Desnoyers played injured in the Memorial Cup run. That was already confirmed.
