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That mid-1st is where you could get someone that will likely go top-10 or even top-5 in a redraft 5 years from now so I hope so.
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The Dark Knight
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I hope you’re right. I’d love for the Hawks to get Misa. That’s my dream target for us at 3. He’s one of maybe 4 players (including Hagens) that I think has legit superstar potential.
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25th is already pushing it for me so if some team is willing to beat that so be it. The Hawks have been cooking with these late 1sts.
Found it in these articles
Blackhawks’ dream offseason: Mike Sullivan, Michael Misa, Mitch Marner?
This could be a memorable or forgettable offseason depending how the chips fall. But here's what the ideal situation would look like.
www.nytimes.com
"Ideally, the Blackhawks would like to draft the best forward available. If they add another elite forward to their growing young group, that could be significant to their rebuild plans. Michael Misa, who is 6 foot 1 and 185 pounds, might be the perfect player for what the Blackhawks need. He has size, skating and offense. Anton Frondell, Porter Martone and Caleb Desnoyers would be in the discussion, too, depending on where the Blackhawks draft."
Five offseason questions for the Blackhawks and GM Kyle Davidson
From finding their next coach to getting Connor Bedard some help, the Blackhawks have their work cut out for themselves.
www.nytimes.com
"We’ll dive more into the possible forwards who could be available for the Blackhawks, but Michael Misa, Caleb Desnoyers and Anton Frondell will be among the forwards high on their list."
Not definitive or anything but the language he used in these tidbits isn't purely speculative either.
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We weren't collectively hallucinating!Found it in these articles
Blackhawks’ dream offseason: Mike Sullivan, Michael Misa, Mitch Marner?
This could be a memorable or forgettable offseason depending how the chips fall. But here's what the ideal situation would look like.
"Ideally, the Blackhawks would like to draft the best forward available. If they add another elite forward to their growing young group, that could be significant to their rebuild plans. Michael Misa, who is 6 foot 1 and 185 pounds, might be the perfect player for what the Blackhawks need. He has size, skating and offense. Anton Frondell, Porter Martone and Caleb Desnoyers would be in the discussion, too, depending on where the Blackhawks draft."
Five offseason questions for the Blackhawks and GM Kyle Davidson
From finding their next coach to getting Connor Bedard some help, the Blackhawks have their work cut out for themselves.
"We’ll dive more into the possible forwards who could be available for the Blackhawks, but Michael Misa, Caleb Desnoyers and Anton Frondell will be among the forwards high on their list."
Not definitive or anything but the language he used in these tidbits isn't purely speculative either.
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I think Boisvert is gonna turn heads when he is signed.
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I'd give up 25 for Rossi in a heartbeat. Guerin would be stupid to do it.
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Would you trade a late first and pay for a 23 year old Steve Sullivan? Rossi would be loved here by Xmas.
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Aside from Schaefer there are issues with each of the forward candidates ..
Even Misa....the -16 Misa put up in his last 10Gp and his drop in production pace from his seasonal average of over 2 points a game down to 1.3 ppg in final 10 games raises some questions...did he tire out?Was he pkayibg injured?
Hard to know but I am sure both SJ and Hawks (just in case he lasts to#3 or if they try to move up via trade) are trying to find out why Misa tailed off in his final 10Gp ...maybectgeyvlook at video to see if it really was his own play or not his fault for that horrible -16...
This from a guy who was +45 still for the season, but it makes you wonder if his scouting report reputation as a good 2 way center and not just an offensive dynamo scorer is actuakky valid. DID A 2 points a game player just outscore defebsive issues and the warts finally showed up at the end? Or is there a goid explanation why he went off form tgevkast 10Gp including -10from that -16 coming in 6 playoff games...
Maybe you cou d excuse -6 in tgec4vlast games of regular season as the team may have slacked off as they knew where they would finish and did not want to overcexert before playoffs.
However to continue the poor defensive play in the 6 playoff games in a more intense compete environment may raise some question on why Misa could not maintain his seasonal form or elevate more for pkayoffs.
Just saying...butbit might be an issue unless they can find an injury reason to go off form.
Martone's skating speed is not elite but I do not think it is tgat big an issue..his 98 poibtscin 57GP is very good...Skews more to set up playmaker from the wing than goal scorer..still 39 goals in 57 GP in regular season is quite good ...
At his size 6'3 208 he had a pro ready now body..But given his older age (October 2006 birthdate) sone scouting reports suggest he may have nearly maximized the effectiveness of his frame..whike he coukd add more weight it probably is not going to help him doninate to a higher degree...butbit may slow him or make him less agile ..Not lijecsonevotgers woth a kongercrunway who coukd use more weight /muscle on their frames to get stronger and more effective physically.
So the main issues with Martobe arelack of pace and separation speed ..but from viewing him he dies not look slow to me ..more like average ...shoukd be ok ...goidcebough unless hecadds weight that slows hom doen more.6
You cannot get everything perfect with a pkayer.
What he has is very good vision and puck handling...that provides very good playmaking /passing as his high assists rate shows..
While his shot is not exceptional,he can use his great puck handling get to tge high danger slot and to develop goalies in close for goals.
The biggest question with Martone is : Does he played consistently with enough jam?
He does flash physicality atctines..but perhaps not to the level often enough to call hom a true power winger..Some see him as a finesse highly skilled winger who on occasion plays with the physicality you think a guy his size should show.
As far as fit goes....sone think he could be a solution to make plays off the wing to let Brdard concentrate on becoming the elite shoioter er/finisher/goal scorer Hawks drafted him to be ..if Martone can help Bedard to 40-50goals then then you coukd understand why KD woukd take him at #3 despite the pace and skating not being ideal..The consistency of high Comptete level coukd be a concern that you are only adding offebsive inoact while you wonder about defensive details...I did not see much defensive problems with Martone at tge WHC..but hecwas on his best compete form there..
I did hear 1 scout who saw him I think at a time Martone went off his A game for a stretch,whi called Martone "lazy"...I think there was a 14 hame stretch of OHL games Martone pkayed in starting Jan4th/25 where he only got 3 goals in these games.. but he did get 15 assists in this stretch of not scoring many goals...I did nit check his +/- to see if ES defendibgcslacked off or not
...but whatever game or stretch of games the scout (Grant McCagg of Recrutes.com and
the Sick Hockey youtube webcast) saw that led to his lazy assessment for Martone,I saw no lazy habits from him at the WHC.
Now he did not score there except1g 1a vs Hungary (not te highest level of competition) but I dis not see any lazy play from him i the tournament games hecpkayed in albeit limited minutes..
Can he step into the NHL immediately.. with the big body sure...but should the Hawks do that if they draft him?
If tgey do ,you want hom as a top line winger for the Bedard line..Not sure hevis ready for that both pressure wise and given he dis not donibate or impact for Canada at the WHC...thought he played ok..but to be honest nothing special enough to suggest immediate instant success ifvhe played featured minutes with Bedard ..but they did notcuse him with Crosby or with McKinnon..so hard to realky seems his impact if rushed to NHL this seasonon with the Hawks.
The other thing is I do not know how KD prioritizes a winger for Bedard from the draft or a Center draft option if he thinks Bedard will have his most overall effectiveness as a winger.
If he goescforca Center priority need and Musa gone before #3,I cannot see hom taking anotger shrimp in Hagens or th
e slow pace slow in speed Frondell..
He probaly rejects McQueen on injury risk from. Injury history reasons plus again skating and pace issues...
He coukd bet on the long runway and ceiling potential of Jake O'brien who definitely is not NHL ready as he will need to ectopic build up his 6'2 frame from a skinny 170 ..Skating did improve for O'brien over this season but he will need to add more explosion and separation speed to maximize his game 5x5...
This seasons hexwas highly Powr Play dependent.. scored 49 of hisv98 loibtscon the PP..want to see a more efectivec5x5 O'brien..HOWEVER it shoukd be realized that everybotger forward mentioned above eas used in featured top line roles for their teams alk or most of the season..Not the case with O'brien who was ONLY the Brantford 2C on the vast majority of shifts in 5x5 for them.
If he was the 1C instead of the 20 year old Paul Thomas ,would Lardis have the same number of 5x5 goals he got or Even More?
Would O 'Brien have had maybe 20 -30 more points frim more 5x5 points?
Would his 5x5 plus minus be better?
You can make a good case he would have done that 6and could be easily up there with Misa in the points leaders race (into the 120s or 130s)
So maybe KD decides to gamble on that long runway yet for O'brien who is 8 months younger than Martone...
If you are not desperate to rush in Martone for this season.. waiting at least 1 or 2season or 2 for O'brien to fully develop botb his frame and his go to role as a featured 1C (which he will be this season in Brantford) could pay the highest dividends of all the forward candidates as he could have the highest ceiling of any of them.
OR you could consider the season long improving and very strong 2nd half and late even highest RISER for a consideration even for #3...thatvis BRADY MARTIN after his great performance at u18s...
At start of the seadon Martin was late teens early 20s ..by mid season he early to mid teens on many lists ..On lists putput before u18s and dubbed final lists he was still early teens but after u18s those not finalizing theircranki g have put him into the top ten ..Craig butgon has him#6 ...many doing mock draftscthonk PHIbor Boston would love to draft him..
There really is no reason for Hawks not to consider him at #3..
Best finish of Any forward in the top 10 consideration for late 10GP of their seasons.
Best hitter and most physical Cobsistently of any forward considered for top ten.
Probably the hardest worker and compete level of any in the entire draft (Victor Eklund Is also a high hustle fierce conpete guy..but does not hot like a tank like Martin can).
The only 72 point season with the Soo for Martin must be judged in relative context that he pkayexvon a bad Soo team with little help ...Put him on better teams in the same top line role that
most of the top forwards had with their teams and if course Martin's point totals would d have soared...So in his situation with little help on a bad team where he clearly was their best player
his 33 g 39a was very good .
At u18s he got bettertalent to play with but still proved to be the best most impactul player on Team Canada and elevated even more for 2g 1a
in the Hold Medal Game .
Captain for his Soo team..inspiring leader by example.. already playing at a Pro level...off the charts compete level ...scluti reports say he has a an NHL shot and can beat goalies 1x1...t
Yes you would lije him to be an inch or two taller and add ten 15 lbs to his 180 weight ....but he hits like a 6 '4 240 lb. linebacker.
He is unique in this draft..the combo of scoring ,compete and work habits,pace and hustle, physicality with heavy and high rate of hitting
...wining puck battles...getting to high danger slot area ,can screen at Netfront,hard to move ...very good strength and balance...causes turnovers from relentless forecheck and body slams,controls pucks well ...hard to knock hom off puck...passing and use of linenates got better in 2nd half till you saw what he did at u18s..
There is so much to say and like about Martin he SHOULD be right up there into consideration for #3.
Certainly a hpgh floor as a cannot miss 2 C or 2 W ...equally effective as a 200ft 2C or 2W...can play all situations 5x5,PPand PK.
While not a speed burned,he has a high stride rate and never slacks..that gives hom still pretty decent speed to get to pose pucks in races or in closing in on checks.. Tge separation speed whike you would want it to be better is not a problem given the hockey I .W. that leys hpm scam and anticipate..so he can disrupt off a check in the neutral zone or on at top of his d-zone and off to the races anyway going the other way.
Something to like on this player..
He can help a team in so many ways.
Can he be top line help for Bedard?
I would not put anything beyond the achievement level this kid can bring to a team.
However..if he for sone reason cannot click to uplift Brdard..he still woukd make linex2 woth Nazario something better and more dominant.. tilting the ice ...200ft game and relentless impact all over theviceviball 3 zones.
Shoukd he be rushed to play this season I the show?
Well..his gamevis pro style akready ..but you do Not want to use hom only as bottom line checker/hitter/energy guy.He woukd be great at that ..but there is top six dcoro g potential tial with him..it would be a waste to put hom bottom six rol.
So while he is pro ready in opinions of sone scouts,I think he wil hit a high ceiling if he develops 2 more seaxon in junior..adding to his frame..trying to add more separation speed
And improving further with his passing abilities.
But if Hawks take him and he does show he isa big difference maker right off the bat for Bedard or for Nazar on either linec1 or line 2 then if course keep him past the 9 game mark..if not impacting right away..send back to jumiorscto develop more.
Even Misa....the -16 Misa put up in his last 10Gp and his drop in production pace from his seasonal average of over 2 points a game down to 1.3 ppg in final 10 games raises some questions...did he tire out?Was he pkayibg injured?
Hard to know but I am sure both SJ and Hawks (just in case he lasts to#3 or if they try to move up via trade) are trying to find out why Misa tailed off in his final 10Gp ...maybectgeyvlook at video to see if it really was his own play or not his fault for that horrible -16...
This from a guy who was +45 still for the season, but it makes you wonder if his scouting report reputation as a good 2 way center and not just an offensive dynamo scorer is actuakky valid. DID A 2 points a game player just outscore defebsive issues and the warts finally showed up at the end? Or is there a goid explanation why he went off form tgevkast 10Gp including -10from that -16 coming in 6 playoff games...
Maybe you cou d excuse -6 in tgec4vlast games of regular season as the team may have slacked off as they knew where they would finish and did not want to overcexert before playoffs.
However to continue the poor defensive play in the 6 playoff games in a more intense compete environment may raise some question on why Misa could not maintain his seasonal form or elevate more for pkayoffs.
Just saying...butbit might be an issue unless they can find an injury reason to go off form.
Martone's skating speed is not elite but I do not think it is tgat big an issue..his 98 poibtscin 57GP is very good...Skews more to set up playmaker from the wing than goal scorer..still 39 goals in 57 GP in regular season is quite good ...
At his size 6'3 208 he had a pro ready now body..But given his older age (October 2006 birthdate) sone scouting reports suggest he may have nearly maximized the effectiveness of his frame..whike he coukd add more weight it probably is not going to help him doninate to a higher degree...butbit may slow him or make him less agile ..Not lijecsonevotgers woth a kongercrunway who coukd use more weight /muscle on their frames to get stronger and more effective physically.
So the main issues with Martobe arelack of pace and separation speed ..but from viewing him he dies not look slow to me ..more like average ...shoukd be ok ...goidcebough unless hecadds weight that slows hom doen more.6
You cannot get everything perfect with a pkayer.
What he has is very good vision and puck handling...that provides very good playmaking /passing as his high assists rate shows..
While his shot is not exceptional,he can use his great puck handling get to tge high danger slot and to develop goalies in close for goals.
The biggest question with Martone is : Does he played consistently with enough jam?
He does flash physicality atctines..but perhaps not to the level often enough to call hom a true power winger..Some see him as a finesse highly skilled winger who on occasion plays with the physicality you think a guy his size should show.
As far as fit goes....sone think he could be a solution to make plays off the wing to let Brdard concentrate on becoming the elite shoioter er/finisher/goal scorer Hawks drafted him to be ..if Martone can help Bedard to 40-50goals then then you coukd understand why KD woukd take him at #3 despite the pace and skating not being ideal..The consistency of high Comptete level coukd be a concern that you are only adding offebsive inoact while you wonder about defensive details...I did not see much defensive problems with Martone at tge WHC..but hecwas on his best compete form there..
I did hear 1 scout who saw him I think at a time Martone went off his A game for a stretch,whi called Martone "lazy"...I think there was a 14 hame stretch of OHL games Martone pkayed in starting Jan4th/25 where he only got 3 goals in these games.. but he did get 15 assists in this stretch of not scoring many goals...I did nit check his +/- to see if ES defendibgcslacked off or not
...but whatever game or stretch of games the scout (Grant McCagg of Recrutes.com and
the Sick Hockey youtube webcast) saw that led to his lazy assessment for Martone,I saw no lazy habits from him at the WHC.
Now he did not score there except1g 1a vs Hungary (not te highest level of competition) but I dis not see any lazy play from him i the tournament games hecpkayed in albeit limited minutes..
Can he step into the NHL immediately.. with the big body sure...but should the Hawks do that if they draft him?
If tgey do ,you want hom as a top line winger for the Bedard line..Not sure hevis ready for that both pressure wise and given he dis not donibate or impact for Canada at the WHC...thought he played ok..but to be honest nothing special enough to suggest immediate instant success ifvhe played featured minutes with Bedard ..but they did notcuse him with Crosby or with McKinnon..so hard to realky seems his impact if rushed to NHL this seasonon with the Hawks.
The other thing is I do not know how KD prioritizes a winger for Bedard from the draft or a Center draft option if he thinks Bedard will have his most overall effectiveness as a winger.
If he goescforca Center priority need and Musa gone before #3,I cannot see hom taking anotger shrimp in Hagens or th
e slow pace slow in speed Frondell..
He probaly rejects McQueen on injury risk from. Injury history reasons plus again skating and pace issues...
He coukd bet on the long runway and ceiling potential of Jake O'brien who definitely is not NHL ready as he will need to ectopic build up his 6'2 frame from a skinny 170 ..Skating did improve for O'brien over this season but he will need to add more explosion and separation speed to maximize his game 5x5...
This seasons hexwas highly Powr Play dependent.. scored 49 of hisv98 loibtscon the PP..want to see a more efectivec5x5 O'brien..HOWEVER it shoukd be realized that everybotger forward mentioned above eas used in featured top line roles for their teams alk or most of the season..Not the case with O'brien who was ONLY the Brantford 2C on the vast majority of shifts in 5x5 for them.
If he was the 1C instead of the 20 year old Paul Thomas ,would Lardis have the same number of 5x5 goals he got or Even More?
Would O 'Brien have had maybe 20 -30 more points frim more 5x5 points?
Would his 5x5 plus minus be better?
You can make a good case he would have done that 6and could be easily up there with Misa in the points leaders race (into the 120s or 130s)
So maybe KD decides to gamble on that long runway yet for O'brien who is 8 months younger than Martone...
If you are not desperate to rush in Martone for this season.. waiting at least 1 or 2season or 2 for O'brien to fully develop botb his frame and his go to role as a featured 1C (which he will be this season in Brantford) could pay the highest dividends of all the forward candidates as he could have the highest ceiling of any of them.
OR you could consider the season long improving and very strong 2nd half and late even highest RISER for a consideration even for #3...thatvis BRADY MARTIN after his great performance at u18s...
At start of the seadon Martin was late teens early 20s ..by mid season he early to mid teens on many lists ..On lists putput before u18s and dubbed final lists he was still early teens but after u18s those not finalizing theircranki g have put him into the top ten ..Craig butgon has him#6 ...many doing mock draftscthonk PHIbor Boston would love to draft him..
There really is no reason for Hawks not to consider him at #3..
Best finish of Any forward in the top 10 consideration for late 10GP of their seasons.
Best hitter and most physical Cobsistently of any forward considered for top ten.
Probably the hardest worker and compete level of any in the entire draft (Victor Eklund Is also a high hustle fierce conpete guy..but does not hot like a tank like Martin can).
The only 72 point season with the Soo for Martin must be judged in relative context that he pkayexvon a bad Soo team with little help ...Put him on better teams in the same top line role that
most of the top forwards had with their teams and if course Martin's point totals would d have soared...So in his situation with little help on a bad team where he clearly was their best player
his 33 g 39a was very good .
At u18s he got bettertalent to play with but still proved to be the best most impactul player on Team Canada and elevated even more for 2g 1a
in the Hold Medal Game .
Captain for his Soo team..inspiring leader by example.. already playing at a Pro level...off the charts compete level ...scluti reports say he has a an NHL shot and can beat goalies 1x1...t
Yes you would lije him to be an inch or two taller and add ten 15 lbs to his 180 weight ....but he hits like a 6 '4 240 lb. linebacker.
He is unique in this draft..the combo of scoring ,compete and work habits,pace and hustle, physicality with heavy and high rate of hitting
...wining puck battles...getting to high danger slot area ,can screen at Netfront,hard to move ...very good strength and balance...causes turnovers from relentless forecheck and body slams,controls pucks well ...hard to knock hom off puck...passing and use of linenates got better in 2nd half till you saw what he did at u18s..
There is so much to say and like about Martin he SHOULD be right up there into consideration for #3.
Certainly a hpgh floor as a cannot miss 2 C or 2 W ...equally effective as a 200ft 2C or 2W...can play all situations 5x5,PPand PK.
While not a speed burned,he has a high stride rate and never slacks..that gives hom still pretty decent speed to get to pose pucks in races or in closing in on checks.. Tge separation speed whike you would want it to be better is not a problem given the hockey I .W. that leys hpm scam and anticipate..so he can disrupt off a check in the neutral zone or on at top of his d-zone and off to the races anyway going the other way.
Something to like on this player..
He can help a team in so many ways.
Can he be top line help for Bedard?
I would not put anything beyond the achievement level this kid can bring to a team.
However..if he for sone reason cannot click to uplift Brdard..he still woukd make linex2 woth Nazario something better and more dominant.. tilting the ice ...200ft game and relentless impact all over theviceviball 3 zones.
Shoukd he be rushed to play this season I the show?
Well..his gamevis pro style akready ..but you do Not want to use hom only as bottom line checker/hitter/energy guy.He woukd be great at that ..but there is top six dcoro g potential tial with him..it would be a waste to put hom bottom six rol.
So while he is pro ready in opinions of sone scouts,I think he wil hit a high ceiling if he develops 2 more seaxon in junior..adding to his frame..trying to add more separation speed
And improving further with his passing abilities.
But if Hawks take him and he does show he isa big difference maker right off the bat for Bedard or for Nazar on either linec1 or line 2 then if course keep him past the 9 game mark..if not impacting right away..send back to jumiorscto develop more.
deytookerjaabs
Johnny Paycheck's Tank Advisor
The last guy who did Patrick Kane things on the ice and then won a cup doing Patrick Kane things on the ice was...
Patrick Kane.
No, it's not Kane vs Turris, not even close here.
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It's funny you say that because I really like both and it has nothing to do with size.
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I’ve made my decision on the pick. As some of you have pointed out last year I am not a BPA guy. I wanted Levshunov because of the fit in what we’ve drafted and what the upcoming drafts have at our disposal. Last year Levshunov was the guy for my by November. This year it’s taken me a lot longer.
Caleb Desnoyers is the pick. First, don’t overthink it. A big two way center that took his team to Mem Cup with not many other prospects on the team. In the same way that Levshunov was a dream style fit with Vlasic, I see Desnoyers as a dream fit with Bedard when he moves to wing. Playmaker that can skate and take care of his zone. Will distribute.
Philosophically I have been vocal that the skill is already in our prospect pool. You’re going to get a second line driver out of Nazar Kantserov Boisvert Lardis etc. I’m looking at winning hockey players. If I felt we had a skill deficit I’d go Hagens. Martone does not fit the philosophy of our drafting (buzzing speedy forwards with giant mobile two way defensemen).
Now, I’m not super excited about Desnoyers. It is unfortunate that we got third and unfortunate this draft class is weak. To me this is a draft where you just find a guy with utility. Aka higher floor. Desnoyers can be dragged by bedard into the 70-90 point range when bedard is going for 120. That’s all he’ll need.
I’m really not that passionate about this draft class and so if they want to go a different direction it’s whatever.
Caleb Desnoyers is the pick. First, don’t overthink it. A big two way center that took his team to Mem Cup with not many other prospects on the team. In the same way that Levshunov was a dream style fit with Vlasic, I see Desnoyers as a dream fit with Bedard when he moves to wing. Playmaker that can skate and take care of his zone. Will distribute.
Philosophically I have been vocal that the skill is already in our prospect pool. You’re going to get a second line driver out of Nazar Kantserov Boisvert Lardis etc. I’m looking at winning hockey players. If I felt we had a skill deficit I’d go Hagens. Martone does not fit the philosophy of our drafting (buzzing speedy forwards with giant mobile two way defensemen).
Now, I’m not super excited about Desnoyers. It is unfortunate that we got third and unfortunate this draft class is weak. To me this is a draft where you just find a guy with utility. Aka higher floor. Desnoyers can be dragged by bedard into the 70-90 point range when bedard is going for 120. That’s all he’ll need.
I’m really not that passionate about this draft class and so if they want to go a different direction it’s whatever.
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Desnoyers was McKenna and Martone's centre at the u18s last year. McKenna and Martone had 20 and 17 points respectively. Desnoyers had 5. At the Hlinka, Reschny supplanted Desnoyers as the top centre on the team. Projecting Desnoyers as a 70-90 point centre, with or without Bedard, seems incredibly optimistic. I don't think he has it in him. He hasn't been a dominant offensive player at any level.
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He was 1.5 ppg this season. Did he play PP at the u18s? He has developed considerably since then anyway. Again, I’m talking about total swimming in Bedards wake 70-90 as a ceiling.
I wouldn't compare Hagens to Kane. They aren't the same player, at all. For example Hagens' hands may be the best in the class, but Kane's are among the best of all time. Hagens is also a natural Center who actually backchecks and skates at a high level. That's neither here nor there, regardless. I compare the situation where there was a not so small group of fans who were adament Turris was the better pick because of size and position - despite an absolutely ridiculous disparity in skill shown in Jrs. Watching Hagens and Desnoyers now reminds me a lot of that very situation. The pure level skill Hagens has shown over the past few years is, as a whole, something I've never seen from Desnoyers even in small bursts.
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Yeah, he had a good year in the Q. Not a dominant one. Reschny was 1.48 PpG in a much stronger WHL, but he's not contending for third overall.
Has he developed considerably? Based on what? Time passing? Being a year older and having an increased role on his team?
My point is, outside of the Q, he hasn't been dominant. Wasn't dominant at the u18 level. Wasn't dominant at the u17 level. Expecting a player that hasn't been a standout offensive player as a junior to be a standout offensive player in the NHL seems, again, incredibly optimistic.
You could easily be drafting Anisimov swimming in Kane and Panarin's wake.. which was a 40/50-point centre.
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I’m fine with that floor when the upside is a two way playmaking 6’2 ppg center.
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No man. I'm saying that could very well be his ceiling. It's a 40/50-point centre no matter who he's playing with. I'd be shocked if he ended up a PpG player.
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At 25, I'd like either Spence, Gastrin, Fiddler or Nesbitt. At 34, I'd like either West, Vansaghi or Ihs-Wozniak.
Fiddler would be hard to pass up if we stand pat at 25. I'm honestly suprised he isn't being talked about higher, but I suppose the minimal unlocked offensive upside is more important than the high SAH floor to scouts.
127 players had 50 points this year. Phillip f***ing Kurashev scored 50 playing with a rookie Bedard last year on a team that never touched the puck. You guys are kind of nuts with your ceiling projections.
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