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Who should we pick 3rd overall (assuming Schaefer and Misa are gone)?

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Kevin Musto said:
No chance. You'll have to move up.

#14 on the latest Bob list, and he's not the type of player that'll drop on draft day. Big, physical defenseman that steps up in prime time. Teams will covet that.
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If we ended up with Bob's order and our picks, I would take it and run.

3-Misa
25-Kindel
34-Zonnon
60-Nestrasil
66-Cihar

Yes please
 
MicronMega said:
If we ended up with Bob's order and our picks, I would take it and run.

3-Misa
25-Kindel
34-Zonnon
60-Nestrasil
66-Cihar

Yes please
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That's not current

Bob's most recent list was done around the lottery, and it's only 1-16

www.tsn.ca

Matthew Schaefer, Roger McQueen generate intriguing talking points in McKenzie's NHL Draft Ranking | TSN

TSN’s survey of 10 NHL team scouts provide some interesting questions leading into the NHL Draft Lottery, which will be held on Monday night in Secaucus, N.J.
www.tsn.ca www.tsn.ca

Full final list will be next month
 
3 days ago Ben Pope wrote an article quoting Chris Peter's of Flo Hockey that this was considered a weak draft and that no player at the top of tge draft was considered by scoutscto be a sure-fire franchise star pkayer...

This surprised me.. I thought many considered Schaefer to be that franchise #1star D..but that even with Misa thefe is some question as to how hogh a star hexwillbecat the NHL level..Peter's sId he had a chance to be a franchise type pkayer but not a sure thing to get to that highest of impact star level.


Then Pope quoted Davidson song thecHawksxrNkibgs will not be the same as most public rankibg lists out there ..

So it seems hawksxwill not be goibg BPA but ratger on best fit and or what they feel is highest pitential down the kine(that ischowxI interpret it).

Chris Peter's of Florida hockey thinks Hawks may take Drsnoyersxat #3as a best fit even though his ceiling mau not bexas high as some others..
But consistency in his pkay ..thec209ft game 2way style at cebter is something they value more than inconsistent but talented players.. (Popevpibtsvoutvthat Martobechas consistency issues plusxskatibgvussues...That Frobdelk pkayed hisxwirst hockeybofvthecseasonatvu18s vs.his peer age group ...
If Hawksxarexnit cobsideribgNartibevir Fribdelk for tgese issues then if not Ddsnoyersxas best of a poor lot then who??

It leaves In mybopinion only 2cotgers to cobsider:

.Jake O'Brien
.Brady Martin

Now Martin is only 6'0 178 on most listing.. but he hits and plays like 6'4 240...ubber consistent Comoete Level..72 liibts on a bad team i the Soo...you Do have to consider hecwiukd he 20-30more points ts ifvon ant of the teams Martone Desnoyers or O'Brien pkayex on and was #1c there...
You also havecto ask if Mosa woukd have outvup 134 poibtsxwoth the Soo.

You have to look at pribiledhed situations on hoodcteMs vs. A giuy who was tge best pkayer on bD teams..
You havecto lok at how much better Martin was atcu18s vs Frobdelk and all thechyoevon him that fizzled.

Now at tocJake O'Bri en...Given his younger age thatcakk tgecotgerswe have mentioned...June 20o7 birthdaye...he has the longest runway to improve and fix areas he needs to work on...but most scouts agree hevuscthe best passrr and playmaker in the draft..He plays consistently and pkaysxalk situatjobs including pk and Oo1 and gets big monutesxfor Brantford...BUT the situatiobL ckbtext is that 5x5 he was ONLY the 2C ..not playong on thectop line.. Thomas was 1C on Brantford...
So O'Brien with his ekite pasdibg and set uos made tge Brantford Po1 Letthal.. But at 5x5 he pkayerd with only 2nd liners and the best of those ,Vanacker had a first halfvinjuryvthat kept hom put till late Decenber and he dod not get goibg to his nkrnL level till February.. So tge 5x5 numbers for O'Brien were down till later i tgexsrason once Vanacjer started scoribg better.

Now O'Brien has done flaws otger than tge hogh Po scoring vs. Lesser 5x5 scoribg totals.He does not have explosive acceleration or straight kibe separation soedd..he has to work on i proving that..
He is considered a good 200ft. 2 way pkayer...But he did notvoistxa good *high positive) +/- but ratger a slightly under ever low negative plus/minus number...still you mist cobsider he pkayed with lesser talent on the 2ndvkibe in the early part of the season till Vanacker got back and gkibg. HOWEVER IT dies indicate too that sone defensive reads and instincts are still Bitcraw and need improving

Still he did putvuo 98 points asca 2C and hexwill be a 1C for Brantford this season in a more go to toke atc5x5.
He is 6'2..Is good on the biardsalready on puck battles. Uses his sizexto orotect the puck.. You can see elements for mayvectge highest ceiling to beca 1C down the line whe projecting what he coukd become once he fikks out a lanky frame.andvifvhevimproves some weaker areas hechas now.

So o'Brien though ranked lower than most of tgevotger guys I mentioned exceot Martin,maycactuakk have the highest ceiling g potential and when you look back 5 years frkn now that coukd be the exact case .He us just a bit further down on the development side tgan mostvofcthebitgersin my opinion.I think hecwilm have a big bog year inBrBtfordcthisxseasob

So maybectge Hawks are goi gvtk gMblevof hon reaching a very high ceiling whijevitferscpkateau..

Woth Martin you know what you are getting. TGEjingvof consistency. Out-worjibgveveryobevon rhevice...Brst hottedvin the draft..Keader will meet any kibe he ojays ob better. GODDARD shot Highh scoribg chance creator..BIggercthan his size physicality jardxto knock ofcvhis skates..200 ft 2 wY pkay with consistent workvefgort tgatvus relentless Whije nktcrkutexvreaj-away speed hexstilk gets past checkerswitg better than average speed and powr in his stride

So whike nobody suggests he will be a 90 point 1C atxNHL level,he coukdcstillbe an uber inoact 2C lifting his line to tiktibgvtgevice andvpkayong bog minutes in tgevo-zobe due to his relentless forecheck and hustkecto check guys and keep pucks in the ops d-zobe or to back-check and send pucks back in therevi transition.He creates offensivecscoribg chancesxabd skot chances from this consistent relentless work in puck houndingand puck battkexwibing
Tgerevus so much he does to impact shifts and impact a gane even if scoribg does not result. BUThus scoribg INCONTEXT was good given his situation ona bad Soo team.
Everyone saw how he coukd dknubate shifts at uq8s

He sgoukdvhave had 5 orc6 more goals from chances he created orxwas set up on..He wss so inoresdove,I cannot stop lauding sum hom.

Maybe he impacts gamez lijeca Marchand did...
You uber work and rewards will cone.

That he punishes tgevoposxwith hard hitsxtoo is impressive.

So will the Hawksxwant to infuse this type ofvpjayer into the top six?
He is nit just a typical 4th line bruiser He can score.He certainly can "drive pkay"..but not from just talent..but from tge consistent telentleszwirk habits.

Hevisxa unique pkayer i the drFt.. The Hawks do not have anyone like homabd tat includes Savoie who If he makes it is justcax4th libevebetgy type.

Marton is an energy ctype that can drive pkay for a top kibevor ax2nd kibe given ge can score.But eve buf he dies nit score he still tilts thevice. I woukd want such an impact pkayer onmy team..

Arectge Hawks considering Martin as high as #3?

Do not know.. but tge JD statement that Hawks target list is a kitcdiffetebt tgNmist public lists coukd be a clue they are considering it


The public wants Martobe. AND whike Martobevplayed quite well I thought for Canada at WHC I limited mknutes whike beibg youngest player on the ice...did not hurt Canada defdbsjveky..even got a scoribg chance...played well down kiwxand along the boards.. still he did not get off a kot on f shots nor score..

Hiscsize c is something Hawks need but can ge inoact big..does he have high star cekibf?Just not sure

Fact KD sYs they coukd go off the favored lists suggests they are considering someone else.

So ifctget are goibgvofc the usual suspect specs lists.. it has to be eitger O'Brien or MartinI woukd guess


Maybectgey mean Desnoyers goes higher than mostvkists havechom (6th orv7th)?

Makes you wobdervif KD has chopped hhs list to 3 Nd is still deciding after watching more Desnoyers as he plays better t han Q level competition at the Menorial Cup.

So not sure if KD already has made the choice for#3 if Hawks do nkt move up to get Misa or if Misa somehow falls to them..But his wRnibgvto HWks fans tgatvour kist may be different than most public lists suggests they are looking to add sone pkayerxtypexwith qualities that thecusual suspecyscob the kists=Martonevor Frobdelk or maybe even Deznoyers do not have ..

I that case O'brienor Martin could be their choice.. especiakkyvif Drsnoyers does not inoact i tge Menorial Cup.

We shall watch that and see if Desnoyers shines or fizzles.
 
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Three days ago, Ben Pope wrote an article quoting Chris Peters of FloHockey, stating that this is considered a weak draft and that no player at the top is viewed by scouts as a surefire franchise star.

This surprised me. I thought many considered Schaefer to be that franchise #1 star defenseman, although even with Misa, there are questions about how high a star he will become at the NHL level. Peters said Misa has a chance to be a franchise-type player, but it's not a certainty he'll reach that elite impact level.

Pope also quoted Davidson, saying the Blackhawks' rankings will not align with most public ranking lists.

So, it seems the Hawks won't just go BPA (best player available), but rather go for the best fit or the player they feel has the highest potential down the line. That's how I interpret it.

Chris Peters thinks the Hawks may take Desnoyers at #3 as the best fit, even though his ceiling may not be as high as some others. But his consistency, 200-foot game, and two-way center style are things the organization values more than raw talent with inconsistency. Pope points out that Martone has consistency issues, plus skating concerns. Frolík only played his best hockey of the season at the U18s, and that was against his own age group.

If the Hawks aren’t considering Martone or Frolík for these issues, then if Desnoyers isn’t the best of a poor group, then who is?

In my opinion, that leaves only two others to consider:

  • Jake O'Brien
  • Brady Martin

Martin is listed at 6'0", 178 lbs on most rosters, but hits and plays like he’s 6'4", 240 lbs. He's ultra-consistent, with a high compete level. He posted 72 points on a weak Soo team. One has to consider that he’d probably have 20–30 more points if he were on teams like Martone’s, Desnoyers’, or O'Brien’s, and was the #1C there. Would Misa have put up 134 points on the Soo?


You must look at the privileged situations on good teams vs. a guy who was the best player on bad teams. Martin stood out far more at the U18s than Frolík and all the hype around him that fizzled.

Now to Jake O'Brien: he has a June 2007 birthday, making him younger than most others mentioned. That gives him the longest runway to improve. Most scouts agree he’s the best passer and playmaker in the draft. He plays in all situations, including PK and PP1, and gets big minutes for Brantford. But context matters: at 5-on-5, he was only the 2C. Thomas was the 1C in Brantford.

Even so, O'Brien's elite passing helped make Brantford’s PP1 lethal. At 5-on-5, he played with second-liners, and the best among them—Vanacker—was injured for the first half of the season and didn’t return to form until February. This context explains O’Brien’s lower 5-on-5 numbers early in the season.

O'Brien's flaws include a lack of explosive acceleration and straight-line separation speed—he needs to improve those. He’s a solid 200-foot two-way player, but he didn’t post a great +/- rating, instead ending with a slightly negative number. Still, considering the lower talent around him on the second line, that’s understandable. However, it also indicates some defensive instincts that need development.

Despite that, he put up 98 points as a 2C and will likely be Brantford’s 1C next season. He’s 6'2", strong on the boards, good in puck battles, and uses his size well to protect the puck. Projecting forward, he could have the highest ceiling as a 1C if he fills out and polishes the rough spots.

So, although he’s ranked lower than most of the other names (except Martin), O’Brien may actually have the highest ceiling long-term. He’s just earlier in his development curve. I think he’ll have a big year in Brantford this season.

Maybe the Hawks are betting on a very high ceiling while others plateau.

With Martin, you know what you’re getting: the king of consistency. He outworks everyone on the ice, is one of the best hitters in the draft, and plays with a relentless motor. He has a high-quality shot, creates high-scoring chances, and is hard to knock off the puck. He brings a 200-foot game with constant work ethic. While he doesn’t have breakaway speed, he gets by defenders with above-average pace and power in his stride.

While nobody suggests he’ll be a 90-point 1C in the NHL, he could be an impactful 2C who lifts his line, plays big minutes, and contributes across all zones due to relentless forechecking and effort. He creates scoring chances from this style, even if they don’t always turn into points. Given the weak Soo team, his scoring was good in context. Everyone saw how he could dominate shifts at the U18s.

He should have had 5 or 6 more goals just from the chances he created or was set up on. He was so impressive, I can’t stop praising him.

Maybe he ends up impacting games like Marchand did—relentless work rewarded over time. The fact that he punishes opponents with hard hits too is impressive.

Would the Hawks want this type of player in the top six? He’s not a fourth-line bruiser—he can score and drive play, not just from talent but from tireless work habits. He’s unique in this draft. The Hawks don’t have a player like him, and that includes Savoie, who—if he makes it—is a fourth-line energy type.

Martin is an energy player who can drive play on a top line or second line, even without scoring. He tilts the ice. I’d want that kind of impact player on my team.

Are the Hawks considering Martin as high as #3?

We don’t know. But Davidson's statement that the Hawks’ list is quite different from most public lists could be a clue.

The public wants Martone. While he played quite well for Canada at the WHC in limited minutes (as the youngest player on the ice), he didn’t hurt Canada defensively and even got a scoring chance. He played well along the boards, but didn’t get many shots off or score.

His size is something the Hawks need, but does he have a high star ceiling? I’m not sure.

The fact that Davidson says they could go off the favored lists suggests they’re considering someone else.

So, if they’re going off the usual suspects, it has to be either O'Brien or Martin, I would guess.

Maybe they even mean Desnoyers goes higher than most lists have him (6th or 7th)?

Makes you wonder if Davidson has narrowed his list to three and is still deciding after watching more Desnoyers play better against quality competition at the Memorial Cup.

We’ll see if Desnoyers shines or fizzles.
 
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Tankathon has the Blackhawks drafting…
3 Porter Martone
25 Cole Reschny
34 William Moore
62(DAL will lose to EDM) Vojtech Cihar
66 Dakoda Rhéaume-Mullen
 
Hawkaholic said:
Even still, what makes him way bigger? They were the same weight in their draft year, certainly Martin can add weight.
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Colour me shocked , he appears to be at least 220lbs on the Ice . He plows thru everything . I do love Martin's game , I can see him going to Sabre's , they can use a leader.
 
dj Mahoney said:
Frondell's shot is almost as good as Boisvert . Who would most choose between Aitcheson and Stian Solberg ?
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Stian Solberg was a better prospect last year and you’d definitely choose him over Aitcheson now.

Another guy in the Hawks range in pick 25-34 is Milton Gastrin. He’s kind of the knock-off version of Brady Martin. He is built similarly, but doesn’t have nearly the bite Martin has. He is a playmaker first and foremost and very much looks like an NHL center. I love how he handles contact and his play when the going gets tough. If the Hawks want character players or guys that have high compete, Gastrin, Cootes, Prohkorov, Zonnon, and Spence are all within the range of possibilities. Although, youd have to trade up a little for a couple of those
 
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Bryce Pickford defenseman for Medicine Hat right handed shot that seems to be a late bloomer.Might be worth a look.Pretty tough and has a lot of points this year. Maybe with our 3rd round pick?
 
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TheFridge said:
Boisvert wouldn't have struck me as a Davdison pick either. Who knows. If they get him at 25 though, I'd be stoked about that. Good skater, makes plays, gets around the net.
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Me too but he might go in top 15. Had really strong playoffs with Royals and is reported that his work ethic on and off the ice are high level.
 
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