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Who should we pick 3rd overall (assuming Schaefer and Misa are gone)?

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Button’s lists are 100% for entertainment. That’s his job. To make draft rankings entertaining and less serious. He will rank players all over the place to talk up a different player on each list. If you want serious, Bob Mckenzies got serious draft rankings from NHL scouts
 
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Button was (This is just one player) one of the "Cool the hype on Silayev" when people were literally talking about him as a top 5 pick in draft last year and said he was not as highly regarded around league as some people were making it out to be

He had some bad takes and some good + A few horrific takes

This list has some terrible rankings though
 
Kevin Musto said:
Frondell at 3 is even more ridiculous.

but it's hard to put any stock in Button's opinions. He only watches tournaments, and never justifies his rankings. It's just a list with no observations.
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You are funny!

I know Button is for clicks and getting attention just like some of the posters here but I bet he´s got more insight of these players than most of us here.
 
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I think the pick at 3 should be Hagens, as others have pointed out. You take the BPA regardless of size and Hagens has the overall skill and was ranked at 1. If the islanders want him that badly take him or the Hawks can give a small sweetener like 34th to swap
 
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I'm not a big fan of Martone, but it's unusual to see him outside the top five in recent mocks drafts. Teams are chasing the Centers 👀
 
Nazzz said:
I'm not a big fan of Martone, but it's unusual to see him outside the top five in recent mocks drafts. Teams are chasing the Centers 👀
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This is where mistakes are made. “Chasing” anything with a top 10 pick is really bad practice.

That’s my one concern with the talk about Chicago having a small forward pool.

What if Hagens is a 90-100 point forward you pass on because Desnoyers is a little taller and projects better at C?

I’m open to any of Hagens, Misa, Martone, Frondell or Desnoyers at 3, but I want that choice to be made based on who projects to be the best player, not C v Wing.
 
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Something people really haven’t talked too much about is drafting a defenseman with 1 or multiple of the 25/34/60/67 draft picks. In the KD regime the hawks have selected 18 forwards, 3 defensemen, and 1 goalie with 22 picks in the top 100. Although are defensive prospect pool is stocked at the AHL level, we don’t have much coming in behind them and we almost have too many forward prospects to the point where we will have to let a few walk
 
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Castle8130 said:
Something people really haven’t talked too much about is drafting a defenseman with 1 or multiple of the 25/34/60/67 draft picks. In the KD regime the hawks have selected 18 forwards, 3 defensemen, and 1 goalie with 22 picks in the top 100. Although are defensive prospect pool is stocked at the AHL level, we don’t have much coming in behind them and we almost have too many forward prospects to the point where we will have to let a few walk
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this is also why I am on team trade multiple picks to move up. We are getting to point where we almost have too many young guys who cant possibly make team. I would like to start going for quality over quantity
 
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Castle8130 said:
Something people really haven’t talked too much about is drafting a defenseman with 1 or multiple of the 25/34/60/67 draft picks. In the KD regime the hawks have selected 18 forwards, 3 defensemen, and 1 goalie with 22 picks in the top 100. Although are defensive prospect pool is stocked at the AHL level, we don’t have much coming in behind them and we almost have too many forward prospects to the point where we will have to let a few walk
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I would be on board with Fiddler or Hensler with the Leafs pick (acknowledging that there's a good chance both are gone by then) or Brzustewicz at 34 (if Dickinson and Bonk both move on from London he could be set to take over a huge role there and that org is just a fantastic bet for developing talent)
 
HawksDub89 said:
This is where mistakes are made. “Chasing” anything with a top 10 pick is really bad practice.

That’s my one concern with the talk about Chicago having a small forward pool.

What if Hagens is a 90-100 point forward you pass on because Desnoyers is a little taller and projects better at C?

I’m open to any of Hagens, Misa, Martone, Frondell or Desnoyers at 3, but I want that choice to be made based on who projects to be the best player, not C v Wing.
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I agree “chasing” certain qualities in players is a flawed approach however, I would also caution focusing purely on points. If you have followed hockey long enough you have probably heard the Steve Yzerman story, Scotty Bowman told Yzerman he could continue to be an offence only player but he would never win anything unless he rounded out his game. Once Yzerman paid more attention to the defensive side of the puck, the Wings started winning Cups.

You could also argue that the Hawks greatest centre ever only once achieved a PpG in a season (a shortened season by the way) in his career. He did however, lead the franchise to 3 Stanley Cups. Toews by the way was also selected with the # 3 pick in the 2006 draft.

When you look at the last four teams standing, the number of sub six foot forwards for each is as follows:

Edmonton has 4 - Arvidsson, Skinner, Ryan, Hamblin. Only Arvidsson has played the majority of their playoff games. No top of the roster players.

Carolina has 4 - Jarvis, Blake, Stankoven, Jost. Jarvis, Blake, Stankoven have all played the majority of their playoff games. Jarvis is currently the only top of the roster player.

Florida has 3 - Marchand, Rodrigues, Samoskevich. All three have played the majority of their playoff games and Marchand and Rodriguez have been 2nd/3rd lines contributors in the playoffs.

Dallas has 5 - Duchesne, Granlund, Dadonov, Blackwell, Bourque. Duchesne, Granlund and Dadonov have played the majority of their playoff games. Duchesne and arguably Granlund are top of the roster players.

The Hawks meanwhile have 3 - Bedard, Nazar and Teravainen and a 4th if you want to include Moore as a current NHLer. The first three would all be considered top of the roster players. Additionally, they have Lardis, Kantserov, Savoie and Ludwinski in their prospect pool with Lardis and Kantserov projected as top two line players if they make it.

In this era of the NHL you can’t win consistently with a small lineup; especially in the playoffs Hagens definitely has a higher offensive upside than some/most of the players is the same draft range as him however, other players have attributes that surely surpass him.

So for me the question becomes, does Hagen’s offensive projection surpass the other players so significantly that it overcomes the areas where he falls short (in comparison), compete, defensive game, size etc. and the answer is no. So then the question becomes, is he the best organizational fit when considering what the Hawks currently have, again no.

So my ranking for #3, assuming Schaefer and Misa are gone would be Desnoyers, O’Brien, Martone, Martin, Frondell, Hagens.

Sorry for the Fiddy length post but I didn’t want Musto saying I didn’t “justify” my rankings.
 
I can see 40% chance that Misa falls in our laps at #3. If not lot's of good options . I think Desnoyer's is playing hurt , still my pick at #3.
 
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BHFAN92 said:
this is also why I am on team trade multiple picks to move up. We are getting to point where we almost have too many young guys who cant possibly make team. I would like to start going for quality over quantity
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Trading up for Carbonneau would be amazing. Speaking to Castle's post on dmen, Jackson Smith is very tempting in the same area of most people's boards, but I think he'll go top 10. I can see us moving a LHD and some combo of picks to make a jump, this year.
 
unbridledid said:
Ok... Just spitballing here so ....

Would you trade #3 to the Habs for #16 & #17 if it were possible ?
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No, the value is really bad here from the Hawks perspective. #16 and 17 would net you around picks 6 or 7 in realized value. Also, the person trading up almost always has to overpay to move up
 
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