2025 NHL DRAFT Thread

[Kevin Musto]

Was Hagens draft year bad or were people just expecting a Celebrini/Fantilli type season as a draft eligible and have soured on him because he was not quite that good

No, not bad at all.

I just think he was overtaken by players who were better this year.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

No, not bad at all.

I just think he was overtaken by players who were better this year.

how would you rank the players if you were looking at a 2 year stack... assuming Schaefer/Misa go 1 and 2...

 

[Kevin Musto]

how would you rank the players if you were looking at a 2 year stack... assuming Schaefer/Misa go 1 and 2...

what do you mean by 2 year stack?

 

[Toews2Bickell]

what do you mean by 2 year stack?

last year and this year

 

[Kevin Musto]

last year and this year

I wouldn't be able to.

I don't do in depth scouting on D-1 years.

 

[TheFridge]

Draft year.

D-1 is nearly irrelevant.

At a young age, these guys change so much. You want the most recent data possible.

Imagine taking Nolan Patrick 1st overall because of his great D-1 year, and completely ignoring his disappointing draft year.

Kind of a silly argument because neither Misa or Hagens are projected to go 1st but rather 2nd/3rd (which is where Patrick went anyways) and part of why Patrick's production was down in his draft year and why he didn't live up to the billing was because he was chronically injured.

Hagens was a PpG freshman in college and a top forward for the US at the WJC.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Kind of a silly argument because neither Misa or Hagens are projected to go 1st but rather 2nd/3rd (which is where Patrick went anyways) and part of why Patrick's production was down in his draft year and why he didn't live up to the billing was because he was chronically injured.

Hagens was a PpG freshman in college and a top forward for the US at the WJC.

Tim Stutzle was 14 on Bob's preseason ranking.

He was 2 on the final ranking.

D-1 years don't matter.

 

[statswatcher]

Tim Stutzle was 14 on Bob's preseason ranking.

He was 2 on the final ranking.

D-1 years don't matter.

your conclusion does not follow from the premises presented. they almost never do.

 

[Kevin Musto]

your conclusion does not follow from the premises presented. they almost never do.

you're too dense to comprehend, @DiqHed

 

[statswatcher]

you're too dense to comprehend, @DiqHed

no, you just can't construct an argument to save your life. probably because you are incredibly stupid.

 

[Northernhawk]

Wow! I was hoping and posted Edmonton Carolina Dallas and Florida as the final four teams…this would give Chicago the 25th(Toronto) pick in round one…while no series is over yet, all four just need one more win! If Edmonton make the finals then Chicago would get 62nd(Dallas) pick in round two

Go Oilers!
Go Hurricanes!
Go Stars(sorry Winnipeg)!
And let’s go Panthers!!!!

It’s be great if the Hawks drafted 3, 25, 34, 62, 66, 98 and 107(NYRangers)

 

[statswatcher]

like just to be clear, because i want to make sure everyone is on the same page before people get mad at me for pointing out the chronically wrong dishonest guy is wrong and/or dishonest again, but it does not follow logically from the premise that prospect draft rankings change from the start of the year to the end that d-1 seasons do not matter whatsoever when considering a prospect.

 

[bwanajamba]

Another 2 assists so far tonight for Desnoyers. One pretty lucky but it was right after a teammate whiffed on a wide open look in the slot that he created on the rush so we'll give it to him. Moncton looking to go up 3-0 on Rimouski

 

[TheFridge]

Tim Stutzle was 14 on Bob's preseason ranking.

He was 2 on the final ranking.

D-1 years don't matter.

Stutzle was playing German u20 hockey in his D-1 season.

Also, no one is saying you make your pick based on a player's D-1 season. Hagens did not have a bad year by any stretch and looking at how he's played over the last two years it seems like there is an overreaction to "merely" a PpG freshman season and an adjustment to bigger, older competition. He's not as physically advanced as Celebrini or Fantilli, who had easier adjustments to the NCAA.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Also, no one is saying you make your pick based on a player's D-1 season.

then I have no idea what point is trying to be made on your end

 

[jls24]

How can you not love this kid?

 

[TheFridge]

then I have no idea what point is trying to be made on your end

Well, for one, you kind of ignored the rest of the post.

Post in thread '2025 NHL DRAFT Thread'

Yesterday at 9:03 PM

Tim Stutzle was 14 on Bob's preseason ranking.

He was 2 on the final ranking.

D-1 years don't matter.

Stutzle was playing German u20 hockey in his D-1 season.

Also, no one is saying you make your pick based on a player's D-1 season. Hagens did not have a bad year by any stretch and looking at how he's played over the last two years it seems like there is an overreaction to "merely" a PpG freshman season and an adjustment to bigger, older competition. He's not as physically advanced as Celebrini or Fantilli, who had easier adjustments to the NCAA.

• TheFridge

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Hope this helps Kevin!

 

[unbridledid]

Desnoyers and Boisvert can be the new French connection.

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[Kevin Musto]

Well, for one, you kind of ignored the rest of the post.

Post in thread '2025 NHL DRAFT Thread'

Yesterday at 9:03 PM

Tim Stutzle was 14 on Bob's preseason ranking.

He was 2 on the final ranking.

D-1 years don't matter.

Stutzle was playing German u20 hockey in his D-1 season.

Also, no one is saying you make your pick based on a player's D-1 season. Hagens did not have a bad year by any stretch and looking at how he's played over the last two years it seems like there is an overreaction to "merely" a PpG freshman season and an adjustment to bigger, older competition. He's not as physically advanced as Celebrini or Fantilli, who had easier adjustments to the NCAA.

• TheFridge

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Hope this helps Kevin!

But I didn't say Hagens had a bad year, so once again what's your point?

 

[Castle8130]

Caleb with 2 apples in a PLAYOFF CHAMPIONSHIP game

 

[bwana63]

when I was a kid (a million years ago), my next door neighbors had a dog named Caleb. could be a sign

 

[Toews2Bickell]

when I was a kid (a million years ago), my next door neighbors had a dog named Caleb. could be a sign

red dog too, so there might be a connection there

 

[bwana63]

Panthers drinking the Leafs' milkshake...lovin' it

 

[Hawkaholic]

Leafs are way too soft. They have to tear it down at this point, right? Your best player is a complete no show, your 2nd best player is a complete no show. You have no top pairing Dmen. They have some good components, but the top guys just can't ever get it done.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

out of Hagens, Desnoyer and Frondell who is the most likely to remain at center?