2025 NHL DRAFT Thread

[Deputy McRizzy]

That has never been ignored. I've admitted to being wrong about Vlasic numerous times.

Even made a whole thread about it.

Did you? I must have missed it. Kudos to you if so.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Many are upset with Adam Silver for rigging the NBA draft

He's too obvious

Unlike our boy Gary who is selectively giving us Bedard, followed by no movement, then a single spot down but boosting the Islanders who will take Hagens so Chicago can still get Misa, and finally a lotto win next year for McKenna

Gary is so crafty

 

[BHawks77]

Wah wah wah. Not everything has to be taken literally. Some of you just fall for his antics too often

Havent taken Musto seriously for a long time. But he himself seems take his takes pretty seriously. Whats the point of having message board if we cant discus hockey and if necessery call out outlandish takes which Musto has got caught making up several times.

 

[Kevin Musto]

 

[BHawks77]

That has never been ignored. I've admitted to being wrong about Vlasic numerous times.

Even made a whole thread about it.

For as long as it did for you to admit you were wrong about Vlasic when all the evidense point against you, cant give that much credit for it.

You also ignore a lot of stuff that are pointed out to you.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Many are upset with Adam Silver for rigging the NBA draft

He's too obvious

Unlike our boy Gary who is selectively giving us Bedard, followed by no movement, then a single spot down but boosting the Islanders who will take Hagens so Chicago can still get Misa, and finally a lotto win next year for McKenna

Gary is so crafty

NBA hasn’t been a serious sports league for decades

 

[Drumman44]

What would we handicap the chances of this happening? They are still upset about Tavares leaving. That plus an absent GM is a recipe for ownership meddling for sure

 

[LavalPhantom]

What would we handicap the chances of this happening? They are still upset about Tavares leaving. That plus an absent GM is a recipe for ownership meddling for sure

30%

*completely uneducated guess

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

What would we handicap the chances of this happening? They are still upset about Tavares leaving. That plus an absent GM is a recipe for ownership meddling for sure

Apparently they really wanted Ken Holland to be their new GM which is pretty alarming. They're interviewing Marc Bergevin, Matthieu Darche, and Kekalainen. Bergevin has a pretty bad drafting record, Kekalainen just drafted a big kid with a f***ed up back 4th overall, either of them might big brain the 1st overall pick this year.

 

[Kevin Musto]

What would we handicap the chances of this happening? They are still upset about Tavares leaving. That plus an absent GM is a recipe for ownership meddling for sure

I wouldn't even blame them for doing it

If I was a team in a market that didn't produce much NHL talent and then had a hometown kid available who you can guarantee will stick around forever, be an instant fan favorite, sell jerseys, etc... it's appealing

 

[MicronMega]

What are some realistic deals at fair value for the 3 OA?

 

[Hattrick Kane]

What are some realistic deals at fair value for the 3 OA?

It’s almost impossible to say. A top 5 pick hasn’t been traded in over 20 years.

I guess you package it up with a few other assets if a true superstar is available. And I don’t mean a guy like Matt Barzal, a tier above that.

Of course you risk that being Yashin for 2nd overall (Spezza) and Chara.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Take Desnoyers and run. Trust me, I watched an 11 minute youtube video.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

Schaefer.

You take the best player in this draft no matter the position and never look back.

Hmm

Somebody called that way before the bandwagon....

At 3, you take Hagens. There is a huge drop off in offensive talent after Misa and Hagens. You can point to his lackluster year in college and I can tell you he had nothing to play for and knows he's going high in the draft and not getting injured was more important than scoring at over 2 per game. Canadian media is completely downplaying this kid for no other reason then he's American. Sorry, but that's what it looks like.

Who they will take- Desnoyers. Wasn't a fan at first but the kid has that Toews vibe in my opinion. He's not Bergeron but I'll take a knock off Kopitar at 3. Think closer to the draft the more Desnoyers becomes a lock at 3.

Frondell would be another great pick. There's so much hyperbole in this thread about the kid and I question those who spew it if they actually watched him. There were points last season when he dominated men at 17. I don't care what internet scouts say, but from the eye test he has the potential to be a temu version of petr Forsberg.

If you want Martone, you trade down. I don't think Martone goes top 10.

 

[hawksfan50]

But O'brien unlike Desnoyers and unlike Martone didn't play 5x5 as a 1st line guy most of the shifts this season inBrantford..He is way younger than Martone who is anOctober 2006 birthdate vs.June for the less developed physically O'Brien..like comparing apples vs.orhanfrs . Different roles and age difference..Drsnoyers in the middle age wise..

O'brien did improve his speed over past sesson..The expectation is even more improvement this co i g srsson..He is not a fukky developed pkayer but has great morevupsodrcand should do well 5x5 this sesson I the 1C role..yes he will not play with Lardis who moves on from. BRANTFORD TP PLAY LIKELYBi Rockford this sesson .but he and Vanacker moving upto top line go to roles should do very well this season and score a more balanced split of PpPpoints to 5x5 points.

O'brien is a bet on the upside...Martone may have plateaued just like Hagens ...just my thoughts.

 

[Hawkaholic]

If you want Martone, you trade down. I don't think Martone goes top 10.

 

[Sinbad]

To love: High IQ, compete and two way game
To not like (or to question): Plays for a great team in a weak league which makes him hard to compare to the other top guys, doesn’t look super dynamic

Feels like a high floor, low ceiling type of pick

You mention playing for a great team as a thing to question about Desnoyers however, have you considered the fact that he may be the biggest reason they Moncton is a great team?

Desnoyers led the team is scoring during the regular season with 84 points which 17 more than the closest teammate. He also leads the team in playoff scoring with 28 points, 10 more than anyone else on the team. When you also consider he is widely considered to be a very strong defensive player and great on face offs, has good size with a fame that could easily handle another 20 pounds, great compete and a good skater… I agree high floor but disagree with your assessment of a low ceiling.

 

[hawksfan50]

Question:

If you plunked Martone,Desnoyers or O'brien into a bad team like the Soo was thiscsradon,would they have the same level of ppg and the same level of plus/minus as the ppg and +/- put up by Brady Martin in that bad situation?

If you think the same or lower then you definitely draft Martin at #3(unless you think O'brien has highest upsidevofcany of them if he improves in certain aspects in a higher #1 role this co.i g season shows that upside in improved development).

Ir reverse the question.. Do you not think Brady Martin would have put up a lot higher numbers if hevokaued on better teans like Brampton,Moncton, or Brantfordc nstead of on a portable team like Brantford.

Nobody else is as ohysical orcas competitive as Martin.. Ifvyou watch OHK highlights of his goals you do see a great shotthat oicks cornersvorca hard 1vtiner..

Certainly his assists total would be higher if he had better pkayers around him which he lacked in the Soo this sesson.

You cannot me Hawks could not use a catalyst,fierce and relentless hard worker and physical force like him.. Put up good numbersbona bad team but in bettercsituation probly equals what the others put up but adds all that extra stuff they fo not bring.

I think he belongsv) in the candidatesvlist for#3.

 

[TheFridge]

That’s probably why the Hawks won’t pick him. They could probably overlook the skating if he actually played like a monster power forward

There are no more power forwards in hockey that play like Eric Lindros anymore. But Martone is a modern power forward. High-end skill with the size, puck protection and ability to play well off contact and in traffic. He's going to be a lot to handle in the NHL as long as his skating doesn't significantly hold him back.

 

[Castle8130]

What would we handicap the chances of this happening? They are still upset about Tavares leaving. That plus an absent GM is a recipe for ownership meddling for sure

I'd give it a sub 1% chance. No team in the NHL would pick a player solely because they grew up in the city. NHL teams are looking for whats in the best interest of their franchise. Teams drafting at #1 aren't worried the player will flee like Tavares. You get the player for 9 years almost regardless and the team can trade the player 9 years from now if they think he will leave. That was on the Isles staff.

From everything I heard, no NHL team has Hagens 1st oa and most, if not all, do not have him in their top 2. It is entirely possible that a team has Hagens #1 oa, but it seems unlikely from the information that is public.

 

[bwana63]

He has admitted he was wrong in the past to be honest. I would stop responding to people after a while if they were still ribbing me about it myself.

He is a bit much at times, but I just consider it comic relief.

super stubbornly clinging to your convictions long after reality repeatedly says you're wrong (maybe even epically wrong), isn't exactly laudable

 

[giza]

Unless the Islanders are married to the idea of Hagens and arrange a trade down, I can easily see the Hawks trading down to acquire improved NHL talent as attracting will require overpaying or settling (or both). So, this proposed deal with Buffalo----I was actually thinking along the lines of something involving Alex Tuch, but some kind of move back that still might land a Top 10 talent.

 

[bwana63]

Unless the Islanders are married to the idea of Hagens and arrange a trade down, I can easily see the Hawks trading down to acquire improved NHL talent as attracting will require overpaying or settling (or both). So, this proposed deal with Buffalo----I was actually thinking along the lines of something involving Alex Tuch, but some kind of move back that still might land a Top 10 talent.

good player and definitely fills a need. but he's 29, so he doesn't fit our timetable

 

[Nazzz]

There are no more power forwards in hockey that play like Eric Lindros anymore. But Martone is a modern power forward. High-end skill with the size, puck protection and ability to play well off contact and in traffic. He's going to be a lot to handle in the NHL as long as his skating doesn't significantly hold him back.

Martone needs elite game processing in the NHL. Lack of mobility, slow acceleration, and stiffness will limit him. He's a playmaker, even though people keep talking about his size.

 

[BHFAN92]

I see everyone talking about trading down, what about trading up? Give up 3 and 29 for 2? Is that not enough? Then hell give them 34. We’ve got tons of guys in that range already, Boisvert, Vanacker, Greene, Ludwinski, Savoie, Hayes, Kantserov, and others. You know what we don’t have? A running mate for Bedard

I am on team trade up or team trade pick for established player. I am not on team draft Martone, Frondell, Hagens. On the rare chance Isles or Sharks takes someone not named Schaefer or Misa then stay at 3 and snag them and run away like you stole something.