2025 NHL DRAFT Thread

[featherhawk]

Misa
Martone
Desnoyers

that is how I have them listed

KD must know that you need more than speed and skill.

 

[BHawk21]

Anton Frondell seems to be the name popping up a lot.

 

[bwanajamba]

Powers and Laz always seem to be tapped into what the Hawks are thinking, have they released any mock lately?

Powers mocked Martone to the Blackhawks at 3 on lottery night.

Wheeler's justification for disregarding Martone at 3 in his mock is that he doesn't think they'll be interested since he isn't a plus skater, but I'm more inclined to put stock in Powers saying they do like Martone at this point

Going to be a lot of noise from here til draft day. The questions around NYI and Hagens are only going to amplify that. Pretty funny way for the lottery to break honestly

 

[Muffinalt]

"3. Chicago Blackhawks: Anton Frondell, C, Djurgårdens IF

I think the Blackhawks’ decision comes down to three names: Misa, Desnoyers and Frondell. They already have a lot of 5-foot-10/11 forwards with speed and skill and I don’t think it makes sense for them to add another one in Hagens. And as much as the Blackhawks fan base anecdotally seems to want Martone for his size-skill-power combination, he doesn’t fit their profile because he doesn’t have the plus-skating piece.

I think Misa’s a best-case scenario for them. He has the skating they prioritize, and he has the skill and smarts to potentially be a running mate for Connor Bedard for the next decade-plus, whether that’s as Bedard’s winger or as a center if they decide Bedard is better suited as a more frequent winger.

If Misa’s gone, Desnoyers and Frondell come into sharper focus for them. Both are 6-foot-1-and-change centers who play the game the right way. A month ago, before a disappointing showing at U18 Worlds for the Swede and an excellent QMJHL playoff run for the Canadian, the consensus favored Frondell more than it does now. I still think Frondell is probably the more likely fit for the Blackhawks, but it’s really close.

Either way, I expect the Blackhawks to call one of those three names on draft day."


(Sorry can't use the quote for the above for some reason).



That's Wheeler's comments about picking Frondell. What I don't get is that using the skating issue against Martone, why is Frondell and Desnoyers not getting the same treatment? They have the same kind of skating.

This draft is so interesting to me, because everyone always preaches BPA forever, and yet all the mocks and all the projections are excluding Hagens because we (or Utah for example in his article) already has enough of those types.

I don't think that's how it works with FOs. BPA is BPA for a reason, although KD was saying that if they're close enough in a bunch at that spot, roster need could come in play.

We will see what happens but if we're going off of the FO's preferred style, none of Martone, Desnoyers, Frondell fit it, and it's actually Hagens, Eklund and McQuenn that are the KD/D types. Especially Eklund, who has the skating, the compete and the shot.

 

[MTU34]

Powers and Laz always seem to be tapped into what the Hawks are thinking, have they released any mock lately?

Powers did the post lottery athletic beat writer mock and took Martone for the hawks. Believe he said they like all of Schaefer, Misa, Martone, Frondell, and Desnoyers quite a bit

 

[featherhawk]

"3. Chicago Blackhawks: Anton Frondell, C, Djurgårdens IF

I think the Blackhawks’ decision comes down to three names: Misa, Desnoyers and Frondell. They already have a lot of 5-foot-10/11 forwards with speed and skill and I don’t think it makes sense for them to add another one in Hagens. And as much as the Blackhawks fan base anecdotally seems to want Martone for his size-skill-power combination, he doesn’t fit their profile because he doesn’t have the plus-skating piece.

I think Misa’s a best-case scenario for them. He has the skating they prioritize, and he has the skill and smarts to potentially be a running mate for Connor Bedard for the next decade-plus, whether that’s as Bedard’s winger or as a center if they decide Bedard is better suited as a more frequent winger.

If Misa’s gone, Desnoyers and Frondell come into sharper focus for them. Both are 6-foot-1-and-change centers who play the game the right way. A month ago, before a disappointing showing at U18 Worlds for the Swede and an excellent QMJHL playoff run for the Canadian, the consensus favored Frondell more than it does now. I still think Frondell is probably the more likely fit for the Blackhawks, but it’s really close.

Either way, I expect the Blackhawks to call one of those three names on draft day."


(Sorry can't use the quote for the above for some reason).



That's Wheeler's comments about picking Frondell. What I don't get is that using the skating issue against Martone, why is Frondell and Desnoyers not getting the same treatment? They have the same kind of skating.

This draft is so interesting to me, because everyone always preaches BPA forever, and yet all the mocks and all the projections are excluding Hagens because we (or Utah for example in his article) already has enough of those types.

I don't think that's how it works with FOs. BPA is BPA for a reason, although KD was saying that if they're close enough in a bunch at that spot, roster need could come in play.

We will see what happens but if we're going off of the FO's preferred style, none of Martone, Desnoyers, Frondell fit it, and it's actually Hagens, Eklund and McQuenn that are the KD/D types. Especially Eklund, who has the skating, the compete and the shot.

If KD thinks that he can draft players with all the same attributes and have the FO's preferred style and then go on to win a cup or two then well...He is wrong, cup winning teams need to have the likes of Porter Mortone.

 

[TLEH]

When we get to the pre-draft mocks, pay attention to who Powers picks. June 15th range. That will really matter.

 

[featherhawk]

Powers did the post lottery athletic beat writer mock and took Martone for the hawks. Believe he said they like all of Schaefer, Misa, Martone, Frondell, and Desnoyers quite a bit

Yes so this most certainly seems to be the short list.

Learning more about Frondell, playing in a men's professional league at 17 is impressive...The Barkov comparison is appealing...

 

[deytookerjaabs]

When we get to the pre-draft mocks, pay attention to who Powers picks. June 15th range. That will really matter.

I'd like to think they won't be as open showing their hand as last year at 2nd since 1OA was a forgone conclusion but it wouldn't surprise me if Powers & Co pretty much leak the pick either. I love that there's even some banter about picks 1 & 2 not being set in stone.

 

[Deputy McRizzy]

I wonder what it would cost to flip picks with SJ to guarantee Misa. Also wonder if maybe SJ liked Martone enough that they too would consider it.

3OA + Toronto pick for 2OA seem fair?

 

[Drumman44]

I wonder what it would cost to flip picks with SJ to guarantee Misa. Also wonder if maybe SJ liked Martone enough that they too would consider it.

3OA + Toronto pick for 2OA seem fair?

Seems cheap. They're going to want Korchinski for their defensive cupboard.

 

[bwanajamba]

That's Wheeler's comments about picking Frondell. What I don't get is that using the skating issue against Martone, why is Frondell and Desnoyers not getting the same treatment? They have the same kind of skating.

I would say Frondell and especially Desnoyers are better skaters than Martone. But neither is a true plus skater as of today so Wheeler's rationale still doesn't make a ton of sense.

 

[BHawks77]

"3. Chicago Blackhawks: Anton Frondell, C, Djurgårdens IF

I think the Blackhawks’ decision comes down to three names: Misa, Desnoyers and Frondell. They already have a lot of 5-foot-10/11 forwards with speed and skill and I don’t think it makes sense for them to add another one in Hagens. And as much as the Blackhawks fan base anecdotally seems to want Martone for his size-skill-power combination, he doesn’t fit their profile because he doesn’t have the plus-skating piece.

I think Misa’s a best-case scenario for them. He has the skating they prioritize, and he has the skill and smarts to potentially be a running mate for Connor Bedard for the next decade-plus, whether that’s as Bedard’s winger or as a center if they decide Bedard is better suited as a more frequent winger.

If Misa’s gone, Desnoyers and Frondell come into sharper focus for them. Both are 6-foot-1-and-change centers who play the game the right way. A month ago, before a disappointing showing at U18 Worlds for the Swede and an excellent QMJHL playoff run for the Canadian, the consensus favored Frondell more than it does now. I still think Frondell is probably the more likely fit for the Blackhawks, but it’s really close.

Either way, I expect the Blackhawks to call one of those three names on draft day."


(Sorry can't use the quote for the above for some reason).



That's Wheeler's comments about picking Frondell. What I don't get is that using the skating issue against Martone, why is Frondell and Desnoyers not getting the same treatment? They have the same kind of skating.

This draft is so interesting to me, because everyone always preaches BPA forever, and yet all the mocks and all the projections are excluding Hagens because we (or Utah for example in his article) already has enough of those types.

I don't think that's how it works with FOs. BPA is BPA for a reason, although KD was saying that if they're close enough in a bunch at that spot, roster need could come in play.

We will see what happens but if we're going off of the FO's preferred style, none of Martone, Desnoyers, Frondell fit it, and it's actually Hagens, Eklund and McQuenn that are the KD/D types. Especially Eklund, who has the skating, the compete and the shot.

In the same sense I could ask if Frondell cant develop much with his size and strength why doesnt Martone get same treatment!?!? Martone is rather weak on the boards and puck battles against other kids, also doesnt hit that much or hits are rather excuse me didnt mean any harm like!!

Frondell playes against men and doing very well with that for 17 year old, also they play on bigger ice so players look slower than they really are. Sure he is no burner but compared to other players in the league he seems fine!!

 

[Muffinalt]

I would say Frondell and especially Desnoyers are better skaters than Martone. But neither is a true plus skater as of today so Wheeler's rationale still doesn't make a ton of sense.

It's difficult for me to compare the three skating wise to be honest, different leagues and all. But I agree, there is something with Desnoyers he sometimes shows some really good little bursts. Also based on absolutely nothing, but I also have this idea that he could develop some more skating once he adds lower body strength, he's a twig all around plenty of opportunity there.

In the same sense I could ask if Frondell cant develop much with his size and strength why doesnt Martone get same treatment!?!? Martone is rather weak on the boards and puck battles against other kids, also doesnt hit that much or hits are rather excuse me didnt mean any harm like!!

Frondell playes against men and doing very well with that for 17 year old, also they play on bigger ice so players look slower than they really are. Sure he is no burner but compared to other players in the league he seems fine!!

I think Martone is pretty developed physically too yes, never said otherwise.

Between the two Frondell is much more consistently physical. Martone got this stupid Tkachuk label (like Frondell got his stupid Barkov label...), but he's not a physical beast type that hits everything and uses his size all the time. Of course if he consistently could, that would be big but again you either have thar type of game or you don't how many examples do we need to see that.

Frondell on the other hand makes sure to always launch guys into the boards. It's my favorite part of his game. What makes me lackluster about him is everything else lol (besides the shot).

 

[BHawk21]

I really do like Frondells highlight vids. He looks big as hell, moves well, looks for the open space, and can shoot the puck.

Does anyone know his compete level or defensive abilities?

He looks like a Draisaitl Matthews JT Miller body type.

 

[Deputy McRizzy]

Seems cheap. They're going to want Korchinski for their defensive cupboard.

Yeah, that's a good point. I'm not the biggest Korch fan but I probably would pass on 3 OA + KK for 2 OA.

 

[Drumman44]

Yeah, that's a good point. I'm not the biggest Korch fan but I probably would pass on 3 OA + KK for 2 OA.

I'd do it for first overall to "upgrade" Korchinski to Schaefer

 

[Deputy McRizzy]

I'd do it for first overall to "upgrade" Korchinski to Schaefer

Same, although I'm not sure NY would.

 

[bwana63]

Seems cheap. They're going to want Korchinski for their defensive cupboard.

they can pound sand

 

[unbridledid]

Same, although I'm not sure NY would.

Why is Korchinski at 20 years old being tossed into anything ?

So NYI get Misa and Korchinski for Schaefer ? Let's let Korch
grow and develop some more. I think he has quite a bit of
runway to stretch out.

Perhaps I am fond of a fellow ski... Always had a fondness
for Terry Ruskowski.

 

[Drumman44]

Same, although I'm not sure NY would.

Depends on other trade down offers. If they are really set on Hagens, which seems like it's being willed into the universe from the outside, rather than a legitimate source close to the organization, it's a pretty compelling offer to add a top D and Top F prospect to the cupboard when they were expecting to pick 10th in a relatively weak draft.

 

[BHFAN92]

Yeah, that's a good point. I'm not the biggest Korch fan but I probably would pass on 3 OA + KK for 2 OA.

I would 100% give the green light to that trade.. Blackhawks not landing 1 or 2 is a disaster for having a shit season. I know most of this board thinks Frondell, Martone, Hagens will be fine at #3 but I really don't. They seem to be mismatch of size, skill, skating abilities the Blackhawks prioritize. The 2 players who profile KD system perfectly are Schaefer and Misa..that's the list...to a smaller extent Desnoyers but I would trade down to land him. Much more of a prospect

 

[Muffinalt]

I would 100% give the green light to that trade.. Blackhawks not landing 1 or 2 is a disaster for having a shit season. I know most of this board thinks Frondell, Martone, Hagens will be fine at #3 but I really don't. They seem to be mismatch of size, skill, skating abilities the Blackhawks prioritize. The 2 players who profile KD system perfectly are Schaefer and Misa..that's the list...to a smaller extent Desnoyers but I would trade down to land him. Much more of a prospect

I actually agree with all your words besides the first sentence.

KK is a lot of value to just move up 1 spot. We should trade him away unless it's for Schaefer, but even then it's KK + Martone for Schaefer really. That's a lot, same for Misa.

I would do 3 + Tor 1st + another good B prospect.

 

[unbridledid]

I just don't know about dumping that Leafs pick...although
with the way they are playing it looks like it will be 31 or 32.

McKinney, Lee, Wang, Ryabkin, Moore, Gastrin, Nesbitt, Zonnon,
Murtagh, Vansaghi...

We need quality bodies to fill our our 3rd and 4th lines. I hope we keep our picks.

Throw in the Stars 2nd to move up from the leafs 1st or our 2nd.

 

[unbridledid]

Ok how about this... If McQueen didn't have back issues/injury
and had a great year ?
Would he be a top 3 pick ??