Yeah you can't do a dawg transplant, you either have it or you don't. There's a place for high skill guys who don't, but as we saw with Pacioretty, they typically aren't at their best as a go-to guy in the playoffs.
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Patch was centered by Desharnais, the team was devoid of talent at the time, he was easily our best foward, Lakovic would be our 4th or 5th best foward. Having a young Patch with the actual roster we have would be awesome.
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Except Pacioretty had the grit knocked out of him by Chara. Lakovic is just born soft.
Yeah I don't disagree, I do think there will be better options though. It also worries me a bit when players recognize the flaws in how they play but don't (or can't?) adjust at all
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To me it seems there are 13 players where there is <5% chance that any of them fall to pick#16.
Schaefer
Misa
Martone
Hagens
Desnoyers
Martin
O'Brien
Mrtka
Smith
Frondell
Eklund
McQueen
Bear
I'd be surprised if we have a chance to draft any of the above players, and if any of them are available we should jump on them at 16/17.
Of the remaining players, the ones that I'd be looking at with strongest consideration at 16/17, more or less in this order:
Cootes - I like the leadership and 200 ft game here, and there's enough skill to be intriguing.
Lakovic - Fantastic mobility for his size and he seems to be a really good playmaker. He's gotta get more physical though.
Hensler - To me he looks like a surefire two-way 2nd pairing Dman.
Carbonneau - Will need some considerable adjustments to his game, but there is a lot of skill here to work with to become a solid 2nd liner.
Fiddler - He seems pretty raw to me, but I think there's an NHL defenceman in him with the right development.
Schaefer
Misa
Martone
Hagens
Desnoyers
Martin
O'Brien
Mrtka
Smith
Frondell
Eklund
McQueen
Bear
I'd be surprised if we have a chance to draft any of the above players, and if any of them are available we should jump on them at 16/17.
Of the remaining players, the ones that I'd be looking at with strongest consideration at 16/17, more or less in this order:
Cootes - I like the leadership and 200 ft game here, and there's enough skill to be intriguing.
Lakovic - Fantastic mobility for his size and he seems to be a really good playmaker. He's gotta get more physical though.
Hensler - To me he looks like a surefire two-way 2nd pairing Dman.
Carbonneau - Will need some considerable adjustments to his game, but there is a lot of skill here to work with to become a solid 2nd liner.
Fiddler - He seems pretty raw to me, but I think there's an NHL defenceman in him with the right development.
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Seems like a Timmins pick to me. Could see Columbus being all over that. Or the Islanders since they had success with Anders Lee who was also debating between two sports.
As Timmins' time with the Habs was winding down he actually said things that encouraged me about drafting approach. One year he said the Habs would draft in the currency of the NHL and that was top 6Cs and PMDs.
Top 6Cs and top pair D, especially RHD are always in demand and command high trade value.
Bear and Reschny are two Cs with top 6C upside. Along with Hage thats a decent pool of top 6C prospects.Chances are real good one is a top 6C.
Top 6Cs and top pair D, especially RHD are always in demand and command high trade value.
Bear and Reschny are two Cs with top 6C upside. Along with Hage thats a decent pool of top 6C prospects.Chances are real good one is a top 6C.
I'd disagree on the Bear probability, an injury like that is going to scare a lot of teams off, and more D are going to go in the top 15 then just Mrtka, Smith, Schaefer, and Aitcheson I think.
Thank God we won't be falling for the O'Brien trap though. I'd take Kindel over him any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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Yeah agreed, but I'm ok with taking a flyer at 17.
I mean you kinda see it with Slaf as well. He's always played more of a skill game and it's been hard for him to incorporate more of that aggressiveness and being more physical.
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Is it me or this draft is looking better and better
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Your post made me curious, so I compared pick 4 versus 16&17 for ten drafts (I left out the four most recent ones because it may be too early to tell). Based on this, it seems like pick 4 is general better than 16&17 combined.
2011 Adam Larsson vs Joel Armia & Nathan Beaulieu: Advantage 4
2012 Griffin Reinhart vs Tom Wilson & Tomas Hertl: Advantage 16&17
2013 Seth Jones vs Nikita Zadorov & Curtis Lazar: Advantage 4
2014 Sam Bennett vs Sonny Milano & Travis Sanheim: Advantage 4
2015 Mitch Marner vs Matthew Barzal + Kyle Connor: Advantage 16&17
2016 Jesse Puljujarvi vs Jakob Chychrun and Dante Fabbro: Advantage 16&17
2017 Cale Makar vs Juuso Valimaki & Timothy Liljegren: Advantage 4
2018 Brady Tkachuk vs Martin Kaut & Ty Smith: Advantage 4
2019 Bowen Byram vs Alex Newhook & Peyton Krebs: Advantage 4
2020 Lucas Raymond vs Kaiden Guhle & Lukas Reichel: Advantage 4
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Bear's not a C. He took about 100 faceoffs this year at 42%. At that point I'd much rather convert Demidov.
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Hot takes alert.
Vastly different 16-32;
Vastly different 16-32;
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I'd be inclined not to trade away first and second rounders unless a ridiculous deal for a 2c emerges. There seem to be many competing options with intriguing talent. The draft team that snagged this year's, and maybe next year's Calder, should thrive.
Not just the Canucks, the Leafs, and habs as well. The habs would have been outdrafted by just about anyone for a lot of the last 3 decades. They had a few good years but a lot of pretty weak ones.
Every year, you can easily tell the ones who wants clicks and views with their list!
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Scott Wheeler said on the Basu & Godin podcast that Bear’s interviews at the combine didn’t went that well with teams. He said the teams has difficulties reading him because he’s more of an introvert person and closed up.
We’ll see if his injury and combine interviews could make him drop to us.
We’ll see if his injury and combine interviews could make him drop to us.
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Not really, they talked a little more about Spence’s tongue injury. It was split open and got pretty big stitches and he couldn’t eat so he lost like 15-20 pounds, definitely had an impact on his season. Spoke about Carbonneau, Wheeler thinks he’s 60% not there when we pick at 16 and 40% he’s still there.
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I like this list... it's definitely gutsy. I get the love for Horcoff, Gastrin and Zonnon ... of course there are some weird takes... fun! This draft will be fun! Day 2 is gonna be crazy!
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Or better still, we build a top-9 that can roll three lines with talent, with interchangeable 1Cs. Our own version of Barkov-Bennett-Lundell. Complemented by a fourth line that both can skate and mix it up.
