HF Habs: 2025 NHL Draft: Part II

We are not solving the centre issue by drafting one with a mid 1st in 2025. Unless you mean to say that pick is getting traded.
I don’t see us using that pick honestly, look where we are at without a proper 2C. I think HuGo are going to use that pick on an NHL player who they don’t need to wait on. Could see us taking Ryabkin with our later pick though if he falls like I’ve seen on some mock drafts.
 
We are not solving the centre issue by drafting one with a mid 1st in 2025. Unless you mean to say that pick is getting traded.
Why lots of good centers selected recently in mid first round. Wyatt Johnston, Robert Thomas, Connor McMichael, to name a few. Many good centers available mid first this draft. Martin, O'Brien, Nesbitt
 
Why lots of good centers selected recently in mid first round. Wyatt Johnston, Robert Thomas, Connor McMichael, to name a few. Many good centers available mid first this draft. Martin, O'Brien, Nesbitt
The insinuation was to pass on BPA to draft a centre, which they shouldn’t do. Plus they need a 2C now, not 4 years from now.

And do I really need to post the amount of failed centres selected mid-1st. Because you know that list will be a lot longer.
 
The insinuation was to pass on BPA to draft a centre, which they shouldn’t do. Plus they need a 2C now, not 4 years from now.

And do I really need to post the amount of failed centres selected mid-1st. Because you know that list will be a lot longer.
The list of bust in the first round alone is really big. I think after the top 8-10, there’s no real better player and every list is gonna be different from teams to teams. I would like us to select at least one center this year (if we keep our picks).
 
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I don't get the fascination with Desnoyers. The Q hasn't produced great players for a decade now. The ones who have become impact players in the NHL all have better physical tools and/or amongst the best skaters in the league. This is a list of draft eligible players since 2013-14. The best players are european.

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A unwritten rule is the 1OV plays in the NHL the next year ,
I really don't think Matthew Schaefer will play in the NHL next year.
I see more Misa or even Desnoyers playing in 2025
It's not so much an unwritten rule as GMs patting themselves on the back for the pick. "Look, Kotkaniemi is so good we can't send him down even if it would very clearly be better for everyone involved, same for Slafkovsky." Sure, there are top picks who are better off starting in the NHL, and there are some guys picked later who mature fast, but NHLing your top pick in a weak draft is not a good thing to do.
 
Desnoyers to Boston will be painful

They won't draft Desnoyers; they'll draft Frondell and the guy will reach his absolute ceiling and be a pain to play against for the next decade+.

I say that, but maybe the Bruins crap-out the draft like the Kings in '07 when they went against consensus and drafted Thomas Hickey.

I feel that that kind of bad move would fit better with the Bruins of 2015, but maybe we get another "gift" like back then, when the Bruins had 3 mid first-rounders and only got Debrusk out of it where they could have gotten Barzal, Chabot, and Kyle Connor and been even more dominant than they were until this year.

Anyways, it'll be fun to see. And I hope Boston makes a mistake.

Aside from that, I really get the feeling that we're gonna trade one or maybe even both first-round picks at the Draft.

The Islanders are such good trade partners for us if Lamoriello starts selling, so maybe we get Horvat and/or Barzal. Those two would be great as second-line centers for us.
 
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I really, really, really like Cameron Schmidt as a prospect, and had him in my top-10 for much of the season, going as far as the 8th spot back in December.

Now I'd have him 11th, but that's more a virtue of other players rising (Eklund, O'Brien, and Mrtka ) rather than him not being good.

Thing is, as long as we have Cole Caufield and Lane Hutson on our team we're pretty maxed-out on diminutive players. Even those that are as talented as Schmidt is.

So unless he falls to us in a spot where not taking him is criminal (anywhere after the first-round), I just feel that with our current mix of players it wouldn't be the best for us to draft Schmidt.

A guy like, say, a Justin Carbonneau, might have lesser shooting skills/skating, and lesser IQ/work ethic too, but in the playoffs the power-type of game Carbonneau regularly displays might ultimately suit our team better.

With Schmidt, if he's not a top-6 forward for you his utility is pretty much non-existent as sad as it is to say.
 
I really, really, really like Cameron Schmidt as a prospect, and had him in my top-10 for much of the season, going as far as the 8th spot back in December.

Now I'd have him 11th, but that's more a virtue of other players rising (Eklund, O'Brien, and Mrtka ) rather than him not being good.

Thing is, as long as we have Cole Caufield and Lane Hutson on our team we're pretty maxed-out on diminutive players. Even those that are as talented as Schmidt is.

So unless he falls to us in a spot where not taking him is criminal (anywhere after the first-round), I just feel that with our current mix of players it wouldn't be the best for us to draft Schmidt.

A guy like, say, a Justin Carbonneau, might have lesser shooting skills/skating, and lesser IQ/work ethic too, but in the playoffs the power-type of game Carbonneau regularly displays might ultimately suit our team better.

With Schmidt, if he's not a top-6 forward for you his utility is pretty much non-existent as sad as it is to say.

I think there's an interesting discussion to be had around Schmidt, Kindel, and Potter.
 
I think there's an interesting discussion to be had around Schmidt, Kindel, and Potter.

I like Schmidt more than either Potter and Kindel.

Scmidt's mix of elite skating, elite shooting, nice goalscorer's instincts, and some nifty mitts to go alongside quite a mean streak for a 5'7 frame has me quite excited. Were it not for Caufield I'd be clamoring for us to draft him.

But yeah, all three guys you mentioned have some similarities in that they all have some size issues but otherwise interesting upside offensively and some unexpected "fire" to their games given their slight frames.

I see some very nice tools in Cullen Potter's skillset, how he manages to thread passes to high-danger scoring areas for his teammates, how he uses his speed and some good feints to give himself some space offensively. And he's an energizer bunny to boot as that motor of his litterally never stops.

But I'm a bit ambivalent concerning Potter's potential as a top-6 player in the NHL given that I have some questions about Potter's decisions with the puck offensively against stronger competition. And those concerns I have get compounded even more with Potter's lack of strength and issues with boardplay.

Against junior-aged and U18 competition, Potter looks great. But against tighter checking like in the NCAA this year I thought a lot of what made Potter special at lower levels kind of went away, which is not what you want to see in a prospect.

I say that, but I'd still have Potter in the 20s at the draft, which remains a really high ranking in my eyes.

And the reason for that is that guys with the type of non-stop energy that Potter displays are just so tough to count against. They tend to make much more of themselves than their skillsets would normally dictate, and often make people look foolish a couple of years after their draft.

Kindel I am a bit higher on than Potter, I'd have him 2-3 spots higher in my current draft ranking.

I think he handles contact better than Potter does, which is one part of the reason why I've got him higher, but at the same time I think that, of the three, Kindel has by far the worst skating ability.

Right now, Kindel isn't even NHL-average when it comes to speed, his acceleration is subpar, and his all-around skating mechanics are rough. Kindel'll need a lot of improvement on that particular facet of the game if he wants to ever make it to the pros.

But I think that Kindel's skating mechanics being in the state that they're currently in ironically gives him more room to grow going forward since he'll only need to clean those mechanics of his a bit to improve notably in mobility.

If Kindel had good skating mechanics while having his current skating ability, then I'd be much more worried.

As far as offensive abilities go, well, I personally think Kindel's Hockey IQ is a bit higher and that he also has much more well-rounded offensive skillset than Potter from what I've seen. Kindel's shooting ability is especially more impressive than Potter's in my eyes.

Similarly, I also prefer Kindel's off-puck plays in the offensive zone vs. Potter's, and how he manages to find sweet spots on the ice to be to stand an be dangerous but not easily-covered by opposing defensemen, and how Kindel manages to anticipate plays to retain possession when his team is in the offensive zone.

Moreover, I like how "versatile" of an offensive player Kindel can be for his team.

Kindel is used on the point on powerplays opposite Yakemchuk, and the rationale for that is how good of a shooter he is, and how he can manage to dish the puck as well as find holes in coverage to shoot from.

So yeah, Schmidt would be the lesser playmaker out of the three, but the better goalscorer and fastest out of the bunch. I think he also has the highest overall offensive potential of the three but that defensively he is also the worst of the lot.

Not that that's a high bar to clear. None of the three guys are especially strong defensively.

And that would be where I currently stand on those three.

They should all be first-rounders in my book, and if we have a pick in the second-round and they're there, we should pounce. Team fit be damned when you get such a high-value pick available.
 
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Wouldn't be surprised to see Hayden Paupanekis go higher than anyone is expecting, given Protas' season.
He is a similar type player?

Haven’t seen him play at all, is he bound to explose next year? Looks like he centered the first line in Kelowna for at least couple of games.
 
Not gonna lie, besides the prospects in the top 10, I haven't kept up with anyone this year. Let's say the habs finish with the 16th and 17th pick. Obviously after the lottery calibre players are selected, where does the big drop off begin?
 
I think there's an interesting discussion to be had around Schmidt, Kindel, and Potter.
Hughes won't take any of them imo.

He is already on record admitting that they were not looking to draft Cole Hutson due to already having as many small players as they can reasonably carry. Both Hutson and Caufield are long term core pieces and there just isn't room to add another player to the core who is as undersized as these guys. I think that Montreal will be looking to add players that are have more of a size/grit element to surround the core that is quickly solidifying itself.

I am expecting them to take a swing at a center with decent size and another forward with a nice size/skill/grit/character combination with the two 1st round picks (if they keep them).

I could also easily envision some or maybe even all of Xhekaj, Roy, Mailloux and Dach being moved in order to fill the 2nd line center move and/or to move up in the draft to have a shot at Desnoyers/Frondell/O'Brien etc.
 
The insinuation was to pass on BPA to draft a centre, which they shouldn’t do. Plus they need a 2C now, not 4 years from now.

And do I really need to post the amount of failed centres selected mid-1st. Because you know that list will be a lot longer.

There's a lot of centers in this draft. It's highly likely a center is BPA anywhere we draft in 1st round.
 
The insinuation was to pass on BPA to draft a centre, which they shouldn’t do. Plus they need a 2C now, not 4 years from now.

And do I really need to post the amount of failed centres selected mid-1st. Because you know that list will be a lot longer.
It's pretty consistent, Most every draft last 10 years been good center come out of. Suzuki, Barzal, Necas to name a few. Habs really need to push this. The BPA needs to be by-passed in this case. As these quality centers hard to acquire if not drafted.
 
Not gonna lie, besides the prospects in the top 10, I haven't kept up with anyone this year. Let's say the habs finish with the 16th and 17th pick. Obviously after the lottery calibre players are selected, where does the big drop off begin?

There's a top 7: Schaefer, Misa, Martone, Desnoyers, Hagens, Frondell & Eklund. Schaefer & Misa are the consensus top 2 picks.

After that there appears to be a 2nd group 8-15.

8-15: players are: Mrtka, Smith, O'Brien, Martin, Carbonneau, McQueen, Aitcheson, Bear.

It's supposed to drop after 15.
 

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