2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

If we pick at #2 and Schaefer is off the board, what do you do…

  • Misa

    Votes: 121 86.4%
  • Hagens

    Votes: 4 2.9%
  • Martone

    Votes: 6 4.3%
  • Frondell

    Votes: 3 2.1%
  • Desnoyer

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Try to trade down to select a D in the 7-10 range

    Votes: 3 2.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 1.4%

  • Total voters
    140
I think he is that prospect for our rebuild. Ideally you'd prefer if he was a RH shot and maybe had higher offensive potential but he's still so young that there's plenty of runway for him to develop his offensive game. Hagens is just another small forward who likely ends up on the wing and there are no guarantees that someone like Verhoeff lives up to the hype next year or that we're even in a position to draft him if he does.

This is why GMs and scouts get paid millions while we sit and post on the internet I suppose. If Schaefer indeed turns out to be as great as you think he is, then it's a great move to make. But that is something that Grier and Co have to evaluate and make the call. Earn their money so to speak. It turns out well for us, gold star on their resume. It goes sideways, "You f***ed up" on their resume.

I'm no scout. I read a few rankings articles and mock drafts and pretend to know about players I have never seen play. Hopefully Grier and co make a more qualified decision than I would. I just want what's best for the Sharks.

Hey, maybe the hockey gods will smile on us during the lottery again and all this will be moot anyway. I'm just resigned to not getting lucky two years in a row.
 
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I see several possible scenarios playing out:

1. Sharks win lottery. Pick schaefer. the end.
2. Sharks finish 2nd:
a. Team that finishes #1 picks a center. Sharks get schaefer at 2. I think this is fairly likely for chicago or buffalo. Very unlikely if Boston, Seattle, Philly, or Pittsburgh. Possible if Nashville.
b. If one of the teams that will surely take schaefer wins, then sharks can try to trade up, but I think this is going to be hugely costly and unlikely. That said, it's not impossible to deal dallas 1st, and the two second rounders and Musty/Cagnoni to go from 2 to 1, especially if its a team that might have needs everywhere like Boston or Pittsburgh. For some teams that have totally empty cupboards, they might be willing to trade a potential number 1D for a potential 1C and 3 more high picks and prospects. After all, Boston and Pittsburgh have only picked in the top 50 twice in the last 5 years. They might take a nice pick/prospect package to move from 1 to 2 or 1 to 3, since they have so many needs, and can fill many of this in one swoop.
c. Sharks trade Down from two for a package. I see this as unlikely as I think they would take Misa who fits some org need and has reasonable size. they might even take epperson with the ottawa pick to complete the line.

3. Sharks finish #3.
a. they get very lucky and Misa/hagens go 1-2. not likely at all but also not impossible. Again, Chicago and Buffalo, if they both win could be interested.
b. Boston or Pitt win. (See situation b if we finish 2nd). A similar package could be offered seeing as how Misa and Hagens both fit the #1C mold.
c. Sharks select hagens
d. Sharks trade down with nashville or Philly, who both might be willing to pay very handsomely for hagens/Misa. IF the sharks cannot trade up to 1 (just impossible or absurdly steep), I would actually favor this option second, particularly if the package is huge. I could imagine a package featuring both of NAS or Philly 1sts. Trading down from 3 to 5-7 and getting TWO additional late 1sts would be something I would take. I still think Martone fits our needs, and there was a time not long ago that martone was the top choice for us (look at the thread name itself). If we can get martone, and also walk away for 4 picks in the 20-33 range, I would take that in a heartbeat over hagens and two such picks.

There are so many iterations of what's possible, but if the sharks finish 1 or 2, I would be surprised to see movement pre-draft as I would expect they will cross their fingers to sget schaefer at 2, but be happy with Misa as the consolation prize. If they finish 3rd, then I would expect the sharks to either trade up pre draft packaging Dal 1st, Edm 1st, and Musty/Cagnoni, or trade down at the draft table after picks 1-2 are taken (in the off chance the sharks get schaefer at 3 or possibly Misa, if another team sees hagens above him) to a team desperate for a #1C in Hagens.

I knows its possible the sharks draft hagens at #3, and I wouldn't mind it, but it also runs very counter to Grier's stated vision of Celly-Smith-Ostapchuk at C with size on the wing.

The only massive disappointing scenario to me (bad luck aside) would be for Grier to end up #2 or #3 and pick Martone. If martone is #2 on Grier's list, then hes gotta trade down and get more value.
 
I would trade our unprotected 2026 1st for Schaefer if we fell to 3rd. Probably an unpopular opinion, but I want him more than McKenna. And giving up a 2026 1st u protected is at best a 25% chance at McKenna. Verheoff probably isn't even the 2nd overall in the end next year anyway--remember, this time last year Hensler was seen as the 2nd overall for 2025.

Remember, McKenna is only three months younger than Schaefer. And the last two times they played hockey on the same stage (2024 Hlinka, 2025 WJC) Schaefer looked like the clear-cut better player. McKenna may end up the "better" player in the end but he's a one-way winger and Schaefer is a two-way defenseman.

FWIW both Pronman and EP dropped new draft rankings this morning. When we're done discussing 2026, let's hit it.
 
If the lottery balls drop and Chicago wins the first lottery and the Sharks the second, and I was Grier I would offer Chicago the options to swap 1sts in the 26 draft. Essentially, swap places with us now and we’ll swap next year with you. If the Hawks elect to keep their pick (it’s better / they win the lottery) we can give them our extra 26 2nd. And then some tertiary asset just to give the Hawks something tangible like a 25 mid-round pick.

Hawks get Misa for Bedard and significantly increase their odds at landing McKenna.

Sharks land Schaefer and retain high picks in 26.
 
I've never seen much rhyme or reason as to how handedness figures in to whether guys play on the left or right wing, so while I understand the argument for defensemen, I've not seen it articulated for forwards. Plus with forwards, they're more likely to be in many more different spots on the ice so it's hard to predict which shot would be most optimal depending on how play goes. But I'd be interested in reading up on the subject.
I think it matters a lot more for D because of the details behind board seals/pinches, collecting rimmed pucks off the wall, and puck recovery in the DZ especially when turning and heading into the corner. Playing your strong side on D makes all of those things easier (your forehand forward/ to the entirety of the open ice, rather than your backhand). Just about the only thing that is easier on your offhand on D is pulling a puck off the wall at the blue line, quickly to the center of the ice for a shot, and that's still a tricky maneuver, versus from your strong side, pulling the puck off the wall on your forehand but skating backward with puck on forehand to get a shot from center ice.

On the wing, I think it's less important but still matters mostly for wall play and for the options you have coming down the wing with possession / gaining possession in your side's corner. If you're playing your strong side, again most board battles facing opponent goal have you gaining the puck with your forehand to the open ice. On the off wing, you're coming into the zone or coming out of the corner/behind the net on your backhand. On the other hand, if you find yourself on your off wing on a fast break or in the zone, that's when the 1T is a huge weapon (like Ovie). So to some extent it depends on your play style - if you're a puck possession hound who distributes, maybe better on your strong side, if you're a sniper who finds space and has a quick release, maybe you can make the offside work.

For C, I think it's a lot just about having versatility as a team, for faceoffs and for the reasons listed above as C (either distributing puck off the wall, or finding space for shots). If everyone is a L shot C, you'll be playing a certain way. If you have some players who are also R shot, you might be able to be more creative.
I would trade our unprotected 2026 1st for Schaefer if we fell to 3rd. Probably an unpopular opinion, but I want him more than McKenna. And giving up a 2026 1st u protected is at best a 25% chance at McKenna. Verheoff probably isn't even the 2nd overall in the end next year anyway--remember, this time last year Hensler was seen as the 2nd overall for 2025.

Remember, McKenna is only three months younger than Schaefer. And the last two times they played hockey on the same stage (2024 Hlinka, 2025 WJC) Schaefer looked like the clear-cut better player. McKenna may end up the "better" player in the end but he's a one-way winger and Schaefer is a two-way defenseman.

FWIW both Pronman and EP dropped new draft rankings this morning. When we're done discussing 2026, let's hit it.
If you think Schaefer is that dude, then it makes sense to give up a lot. It's a risk. I know you're strong on him and I am too, I'm just not 100% sure it's worth the risk, and thankfully I'm not getting paid to make those kinds of decisions. I do agree that McKenna I think is overhyped right now and I'm not convinced he's a better piece than either Celebrini or Schaefer, despite his scoring pace.

On the Pronman/EP rankings -- Pronman has no surprises for me after he already debuted his hot Desnoyers take (which I don't buy), although I guess Martone dropping and O'Brien rising as this year's Sennecke is somewhat of a surprise. EP seems to be sticking to the same narrative as everyone else, Misa at 2, Martone 3, and Hagens at 4. McQueen at 5. They seem highest on Hensler still at 15. EDIT: Frondell at 12 is a take. But one that you might agree with.
 
If the lottery balls drop and Chicago wins the first lottery and the Sharks the second, and I was Grier I would offer Chicago the options to swap 1sts in the 26 draft. Essentially, swap places with us now and we’ll swap next year with you. If the Hawks elect to keep their pick (it’s better / they win the lottery) we can give them our extra 26 2nd. And then some tertiary asset just to give the Hawks something tangible like a 25 mid-round pick.

Hawks get Misa for Bedard and significantly increase their odds at landing McKenna.

Sharks land Schaefer and retain high picks in 26.
fascinating concept....

I feel like the sharks are the only team that has a CLEAR need for schaefer over Misa. many teams might prefer schaefer over misa, but I am not sure teams have THAT strong a preference. Its not like celebrini's draft. its not like Mcdavid, Crosby, or Bedard. The difference between #1 and #2 or #3 is just not THAT big this year, and I don't see any team that is clearly desperate for a top D over a top C aside from us.

I think just about any team would be open to moving #1 for #2/3 to us for a nice package.

Also, while teams might say that schaefer is their top choice, in reality, teams will rarely tip their hand. Last year, Sennecke was not supposed to go #3. Yak ahead of Buium and Dick was a shock. Luchanko at #13 was very early. You never know how things will go, espcially when there is a certain level of disagreement or not a clear, unquestionable order.

This year is one of the most open years I can remember. The draft order is so amazingly wide open that teams will have very different orders and lists, and surprises will abound. Furthermore, when players are seen so evenly, teams might be willing to collect more picks/prospects by trading down, making the sharks' desire to trade UP actually reasonably affordable.
 
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If you think Schaefer is that dude, then it makes sense to give up a lot. It's a risk. I know you're strong on him and I am too, I'm just not 100% sure it's worth the risk, and thankfully I'm not getting paid to make those kinds of decisions. I do agree that McKenna I think is overhyped right now and I'm not convinced he's a better piece than either Celebrini or Schaefer, despite his scoring pace.

On the Pronman/EP rankings -- Pronman has no surprises for me after he already debuted his hot Desnoyers take (which I don't buy), although I guess Martone dropping and O'Brien rising as this year's Sennecke is somewhat of a surprise. EP seems to be sticking to the same narrative as everyone else, Misa at 2, Martone 3, and Hagens at 4. McQueen at 5. They seem highest on Hensler still at 15. EDIT: Frondell at 12 is a take. But one that you might agree with.
It's a risk, absolutely. Scary stuff, and we lived through it in 2020 so I get people being gun-shy. I do like Schaefer that much.

I don't think I can get on board with Desnoyers at 3 or Aitcheson at 10. I also don't think 12 is quite high enough for Frondell, though I think he's more of a 6-8 than a 3-5 range guy.
 
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As of April 16, 2025, Matthew Schaefer has not yet returned to play following his clavicle injury sustained during the 2025 IIHF World Junior Championship. He underwent successful surgery on December 30, 2024, and was expected to be sidelined for at least three months . While Schaefer has expressed a strong desire to return to the ice and is undergoing rehabilitation, there have been no official updates confirming his return to play, it's unlikely that Schaefer will participate in the 2025 NHL Draft Combine scheduled for late May.
It’s definitely a concern—especially with a broken clavicle, since it's a critical area for upper-body strength, stability, and taking contact. For a player like Matthew Schaefer—who's a defenseman and plays a physical, mobile game—any re-injury could impact not just his draft stock but also his long-term development.
I am torn between Schaefer and Misa. Schaefer injury is still a mystery since he missed his return date in March and he won't participate in the combine in May but if he suddenly become healthy again, he is NHL-ready and ready to play next season for the Sharks. While Misa is NHL ready if he is willing to jump to the NHL or is he going to go to Boston College next year? It is really depends on the lottery draft where the Sharks will move, strategically.
It’s a broken collarbone. It’s not the type of injury that lingers like a shoulder. Yes he is cautious because he is 17 and growing but the injury will not affect his play or availability for training camp.
 
It’s a broken collarbone. It’s not the type of injury that lingers like a shoulder. Yes he is cautious because he is 17 and growing but the injury will not affect his play or availability for training camp.
It's a broken collar bone that has supposedly kept him off the ice for an eternity....

OV came back from a broken leg faster
 
It's a broken collar bone that has supposedly kept him off the ice for an eternity....

OV came back from a broken leg faster
It takes a while to regain full strength on a broken collarbone, and it's very risky to come back too early in a sport where you're taking hits to the shoulder constantly. That said I agree it raises an eyebrow.

Love Ovi, but there's no question he's got some help recovering... Putin Special on medical support. And he's a crazy outlier in any case.
 
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If the lottery balls drop and Chicago wins the first lottery and the Sharks the second, and I was Grier I would offer Chicago the options to swap 1sts in the 26 draft. Essentially, swap places with us now and we’ll swap next year with you. If the Hawks elect to keep their pick (it’s better / they win the lottery) we can give them our extra 26 2nd. And then some tertiary asset just to give the Hawks something tangible like a 25 mid-round pick.

Hawks get Misa for Bedard and significantly increase their odds at landing McKenna.

Sharks land Schaefer and retain high picks in 26.
After drafting Lev last year and considering they have a ton of d-men in the system but a major lack of forwards, I'd take my chances that Chicago goes Misa or Hagens.
 
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What type of package would it take to jump up if we took BPA top 3 but someone like Mrtka drops to 8-12 range? Similar to Dickinson situation last year
 
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It's a broken collar bone that has supposedly kept him off the ice for an eternity....

OV came back from a broken leg faster
He's been on the ice for a few weeks. Just no contact.

I really don't think it's anything to worry about. Probably just being overly cautious.

Say Chicago wins 1 and SJ falls to 3.
Chicago takes Schaefer, Misa goes 2, but now Chicago calls and wants to take Hagens at 3. Is there a D prospect on Chicago you'd take instead of the 3rd pick?
I would consider Sam Rinzel.

What type of package would it take to jump up if we took BPA top 3 but someone like Mrtka drops to 8-12 range? Similar to Dickinson situation last year
28+33+51ish might get us to... 12ish? 28+36+45 got 11th in 2022.
 
If the lottery balls drop and Chicago wins the first lottery and the Sharks the second, and I was Grier I would offer Chicago the options to swap 1sts in the 26 draft. Essentially, swap places with us now and we’ll swap next year with you. If the Hawks elect to keep their pick (it’s better / they win the lottery) we can give them our extra 26 2nd. And then some tertiary asset just to give the Hawks something tangible like a 25 mid-round pick.

Hawks get Misa for Bedard and significantly increase their odds at landing McKenna.

Sharks land Schaefer and retain high picks in 26.

This seems a bit complicated --- it seems like if we want schaefer and they want misa, we could figure a way to make this happen that honors their lottery win, e.g., call their bluff and play it out/be happy with misa, or, give them the DAL first to trade up.
 
It's a broken collar bone that has supposedly kept him off the ice for an eternity....

OV came back from a broken leg faster
17 year old bones still growing with entire careers ahead of them and not having made any money are different then 40 year old bones that are fully developed in a player who is not risking over $100 million of potential earnings.
 
The way I see it: I want either Schaefer, Misa, a massive package of picks/prospects to trade down, or trade down for a top 4 NHL D (like from from 3 to 7 for Byram).

The amount of movement in the draft rankings this year is absurd, and it signals a wide open field, in which draft order is of less importance than most years.

last year, it was clear that D was the org need after the obvious celly pick. There were 6D in the draft class worth targeting (Yak, Lev, Silayev, Dick, Buium, Perekh). grier had #14. he flipped #42 to move to 11 (which was approx 40 pt trade value for 80 pts, thus a bad move on paper). The bet was that one of those D would be available there. It paid off, and we got Dick. That year being #8, 10, or 11 were all pretty similar, while being number 14 was a huge difference.

This time Schaefer is the clear target, but if they cannot get him, then there is no other clear goal. D remains the key org need, but unlike last time, there is not a clear top D class after schaefer. Mrtka, Smith, Hensler, Aitcheson.... All are very much second tier players. Misa and hagens are the class acts of this draft at forward. martone, Frondell, and co seem tire 2. Thus if we miss out on schaef and misa, then the next best option is to fill current NHL/Future NHL level D needs by trading down or taking more swings due to a less clear draft order and hope to hit the HR.

lastly, this may be the year to trade down from 3 if we cannot move up to 1. Given the clear line between the top 3 picks and the rest of the draft class, the sharks #3 pick may be extremely attractive to a ton of teams, as Hagens was a #1 consensus pick and i think remains considered a class above the rest. I wouldnt be surprised to see teams pony up to get that #3 if it comes to that.

All of this assumed terrible luck, but you gotta play the hand your dealt. Hagens just does not fit Grier's vision, so drafting him and then trading him away is likely to land a whole lot less than shopping the #3 for a nice package.

#3 to nashville for number 5 and a their two late 1sts.

or #3 to buffalo for 7 and Byram

or #3 to Philly for #6 and their late 1sts.

OR, is this a schaefer or bust draft? i.e. if they finish 3rd, do they trade all their picks in this entire draft to go from 1 to 3 and just walk away with schaefer alone? If chicago or buffalo wins the lottery, I think they would snatch that deal in an instant. its actually a similar equivalent trade value...
 
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The way I see it: I want either Schaefer, Misa, a massive package of picks/prospects to trade down, or trade down for a top 4 NHL D (like from from 3 to 7 for Byram).

The amount of movement in the draft rankings this year is absurd, and it signals a wide open field, in which draft order is of less importance than most years.

last year, it was clear that D was the org need after the obvious celly pick. There were 6D in the draft class worth targeting (Yak, Lev, Silayev, Dick, Buium, Perekh). grier had #14. he flipped #42 to move to 11 (which was approx 40 pt trade value for 80 pts, thus a bad move on paper). The bet was that one of those D would be available there. It paid off, and we got Dick. That year being #8, 10, or 11 were all pretty similar, while being number 14 was a huge difference.

This time Schaefer is the clear target, but if they cannot get him, then there is no other clear goal. D remains the key org need, but unlike last time, there is not a clear top D class after schaefer. Mrtka, Smith, Hensler, Aitcheson.... All are very much second tier players. Misa and hagens are the class acts of this draft at forward. martone, Frondell, and co seem tire 2. Thus if we miss out on schaef and misa, then the next best option is to fill current NHL/Future NHL level D needs by trading down or taking more swings due to a less clear draft order and hope to hit the HR.

lastly, this may be the year to trade down from 3 if we cannot move up to 1. Given the clear line between the top 3 picks and the rest of the draft class, the sharks #3 pick may be extremely attractive to a ton of teams, as Hagens was a #1 consensus pick and i think remains considered a class above the rest. I wouldnt be surprised to see teams pony up to get that #3 if it comes to that.

All of this assumed terrible luck, but you gotta play the hand your dealt. Hagens just does not fit Grier's vision, so drafting him and then trading him away is likely to land a whole lot less than shopping the #3 for a nice package.

#3 to nashville for number 5 and a their two late 1sts.

or #3 to buffalo for 7 and Byram

or #3 to Philly for #6 and their late 1sts.

OR, is this a schaefer or bust draft? i.e. if they finish 3rd, do they trade all their picks in this entire draft to go from 1 to 3 and just walk away with schaefer alone? If chicago or buffalo wins the lottery, I think they would snatch that deal in an instant. its actually a similar equivalent trade value...
I agree completely. I’m in the Schaefer or bust category and would give up any Sharks picks needed to make the deal. If that isn’t an option Misa would be the second choice but I wouldn’t spend much to move up for him. If both are off the table then I would move down. Maybe enough picks can be obtained to then move the Dal pick into the teens and get both Mrtka and Hensler or one and Eklund. With the huge drop around 18 I would rather get 2 top 15 picks than #3 and Dal 1st.
 
I agree completely. I’m in the Schaefer or bust category and would give up any Sharks picks needed to make the deal. If that isn’t an option Misa would be the second choice but I wouldn’t spend much to move up for him. If both are off the table then I would move down. Maybe enough picks can be obtained to then move the Dal pick into the teens and get both Mrtka and Hensler or one and Eklund. With the huge drop around 18 I would rather get 2 top 15 picks than #3 and Dal 1st.
I dunno where the huge drop is. Ive seen such a wide variety of rankings that I have no clue where everyone slots in. Seems like with this draft, just take as many stabs as you can or go for broke on Schaefer.

Also, I was reading a bunch out of chicago and it really feels as if they do not want to win the lottery as they disqualify themselves for next year while gaining little. They really are likely to take Misa over Schaefer if they win, or at least are close to indifferent.

Also, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a pick swap.

We get #1, they get #2 this year. they get the higher of ours and theirs next year post lottery.

In the end:
Chicago gets: Misa (their franchise #1C), a chance at Mckenna with our pick which would be lottery qualified or their own pick if they finish dead last. And, if we finish last and they finish much higher, they functionally might move up a lot and give themselves a much higher chance at mckenna, or just a much higher pick overall.

SJ gets Schaefer and the worst of our own pick or Chicago's pick next year post lottery. obviously if we finish 2nd to last and chicago finishes last, they were have a 25.5% of getting Mckenna plus our 13.5%, giving them nearly 40% chance of mckenna, and a very good chance of picking very high either way.

Fascinating concept. Big win for them, clear downgrade next year for us, but we get our guy this year for sure.
 
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Drafting 3rd, I would still keep it.

Imagine Hagens as the future 2C while keeping BFFs together. A pretty desirable outcome even if it's not the most optimal.
Agreed. I think the top pick is an easy BPA decision that's largely out of our hands. Trading up or trading back from that position seems highly unlikely. It's the 2nd pick of the 1st round that throws me for a loop considering all the possibilities.
 
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Agreed. I think the top pick is an easy BPA decision that's largely out of our hands. Trading up or trading back from that position seems highly unlikely. It's the 2nd pick of the 1st round that throws me for a loop considering all the possibilities.
The second pick seems much simpler to me. It all depends on who wins the lottery though.

If its chicago, we may not need to offer anything substantial but the pick swap we talked about is actually a legit concept, since they will be disqualified from moving up next year. We could also sit pat and roll the dice that chicago does not take schaefer. Either way, if they do intend to take Misa, I think it would be pretty cheap to get them to trade with us. Similar for buffalo. If its any other team, then the package to move up would be more costly as they would likely prefer schaefer over Misa. However, I am not sure there are any teams that so clearly want D over C, so the price to move from 1 to 2 should not be too expensive no matter what. I really feel that if we are second, and grier plays wisely, we should end up with schaefer.

Realistically, even if we are 3rd, I think grier should be able to get Schaefer if he plays his cards right. The price would be higher, but it's very possible. It would be stupid for teams to turn down good assets to take a player that dont much prefer over another. The only reason to hold schaefer as opposed to misa or hagens and a bevy of picks and prospects would be if you value schaefer that much more. I find that unlikely given the injury and the lack of playing this year, the organizational needs of other teams, and the allure of Misa or Hagens as an alternative.
 
The second pick seems much simpler to me. It all depends on who wins the lottery though.

If its chicago, we may not need to offer anything substantial but the pick swap we talked about is actually a legit concept, since they will be disqualified from moving up next year. We could also sit pat and roll the dice that chicago does not take schaefer. Either way, if they do intend to take Misa, I think it would be pretty cheap to get them to trade with us. Similar for buffalo. If its any other team, then the package to move up would be more costly as they would likely prefer schaefer over Misa. However, I am not sure there are any teams that so clearly want D over C, so the price to move from 1 to 2 should not be too expensive no matter what. I really feel that if we are second, and grier plays wisely, we should end up with schaefer.

Realistically, even if we are 3rd, I think grier should be able to get Schaefer if he plays his cards right. The price would be higher, but it's very possible. It would be stupid for teams to turn down good assets to take a player that dont much prefer over another. The only reason to hold schaefer as opposed to misa or hagens and a bevy of picks and prospects would be if you value schaefer that much more. I find that unlikely given the injury and the lack of playing this year, the organizational needs of other teams, and the allure of Misa or Hagens as an alternative.
When I refer to the 2nd pick in the 1st round, I'm referencing the Dallas pick. Not 2OA. Sorry that that wasn't clear.
 
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