2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

[dmcccdmn]

Chicago is probably leaning Misa over Schaefer anyway so we might be able to get away with trading up to #2 in that scenario.

At the end of the day, we do have our unprotected 2026 1st to dangle and if it guarantees us Schaefer that might be worth it.

Unprotected 2026 1st for the worst 2025 team in McKenna draft? Come on now.

 

[Jargon]

I would not be particularly shocked if Chicago picks Misa 1st overall.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Unprotected 2026 1st for the worst 2025 team in McKenna draft? Come on now.

What about unprotected 2026 + Dal 1st + 2026 Edm 1st for #2. After Sharks have #1. Then walk away with Schaefer and Misa.

 

[Wedontneedroads]

If the Sharks trade their unprotected 26’ 1st to move up in the draft I will cancel my season tickets.

This team is so far away from competing for a SC even with Schaefer and trading away 1st round picks over the next 3 years would be insane.

Draft BPA for the next 3 years and trade them if they don’t fit.

 

[Grinner]

If the Sharks trade their unprotected 26’ 1st to move up in the draft I will cancel my season tickets.

This team is so far away from competing for a SC even with Schaefer and trading away 1st round picks over the next 3 years would be insane.

Draft BPA for the next 3 years and trade them if they don’t fit.

Trading away 1st round picks for the next two years. If Misa was a right hand shot... I'd have to think about it really hard

 

[dmcccdmn]

What about unprotected 2026 + Dal 1st + 2026 Edm 1st for #2. After Sharks have #1. Then walk away with Schaefer and Misa.

Big no-no. Worst place teams don't trade unprotected 1st rounder the next year. That could very well end up as McKenna. Would you trade McKenna + two 1st's for Misa?

 

[Grinner]

Big no-no. Worst place teams don't trade unprotected 1st rounder the next year. That could very well end up as McKenna. Would you trade McKenna + two 1st's for Misa?

That's a small possibility

 

[Barrie22]

That's a small possibility

Small possibility? We are so comfortably set into last place that even a 10 point improvement keeps us in 2nd last. 20 point improvement moves us up a whopping 1 spot to 3rd. 25 point improvement moves us up 4th. To get us out of the lottery win chance, it would take 31 points improvement.

 

[Grinner]

Small possibility? We are so comfortably set into last place that even a 10 point improvement keeps us in 2nd last. 20 point improvement moves us up a whopping 1 spot to 3rd. 25 point improvement moves us up 4th. To get us out of the lottery win chance, it would take 31 points improvement.

He set the terms we'd have the 1OA this year. Which of course would make it 2 years in a row. Even if we finish last. It only guarantees a top 3 pick.
The question to ask, is how picks two or 3 in 26 compare to Misa

 

[matt trick]

Id probably take a Schaefer and Misa in hand over a Misa and McKenna/Verhoeff/Roobroeck possibility. And the possibility BPA ends up being smallish Stenberg, Bjork, or Preston also exists. Given team composition, I’d seriously consider taking Schaefer straight up for McKenna. I know his skill level/production is off the charts, but I think a near-Norris caliber dman is a bigger need than an MVP caliber winger.

The last three young pieces we need are a 1D, 1F, and 2 RD. If you could guarantee elite prospects for the first two, I’d probably do it. Losing the bonus 1sts would be unfortunate, but there’s no substitute for elite talent at positions of need. Misa and Schaefer would both be positions of need. In addition to high end skill, they also bring loads of speed, competitiveness, and above average size. They’re perfect fits for us.

Chicago wouldn’t do it though. They’d want Misa now to give Bedard a carrot before his extension. Two potential top 5 picks to give us great odds of drafting your cousin after sucking your entire ELC? That’s not really a carrot.

Also, we could spend like drunken sailors trying to push that pick to the 6-10 range. Two late firsts and Belchetz/Preston (a year later, and maybe a year slower than Misa), I highly doubt it.

I’d also do 2nd/Schaefer, DAL 1st, EDM 1st for 1OA. Hagens, Hensler, and Reschy (don’t know who’s projected late 20s in 2026) or Schaefer? It’s no contest in my eyes.

 

[Barrie22]

He set the terms we'd have the 1OA this year. Which of course would make it 2 years in a row. Even if we finish last. It only guarantees a top 3 pick.
The question to ask, is how picks two or 3 in 26 compare to Misa

But it would be more of the equivalent of like 2/3rd overall, 2 of musty, Chernyshov, haltunnen (or a little bit higher for Chernyshov and haltunnen.

 

[Hodge]

Unprotected 2026 1st for the worst 2025 team in McKenna draft? Come on now.

We need Schaefer a lot more than we need McKenna.

 

[Grinner]

We need Schaefer a lot more than we need McKenna.

It's not about Schaefer here. It's about Misa

 

[weastern bias]

We need Schaefer a lot more than we need McKenna.

We still need high end talent literally everywhere on the roster, we aren't close to being able to draft for need/fit at this point

The 2026 SJS 1st is going to be a top-5 lotto pick, I would not trade it for any single undrafted prospect, it's going to be worth more next offseason than it currently does

 

[Skeksis25]

I'm definitely not trading the 2026 pick unprotected. Even if its not McKenna, the D prospects like Lin and Verhoeff would be great adds. Unless you can guarantee that Schaefer becomes a Norris caliber defenseman, I'm fine with Misa/Hagens and the 2026 pick rather than just Schaefer.

 

[Hodge]

It's not about Schaefer here. It's about Misa

You want to trade the unprotected 2026 1st to move up and select Misa?

 

[Hodge]

We still need high end talent literally everywhere on the roster, we aren't close to being able to draft for need/fit at this point

The 2026 SJS 1st is going to be a top-5 lotto pick, I would not trade it for any single undrafted prospect, it's going to be worth more next offseason than it currently does

It shouldn't be controversial to say we need a high-end defense prospect a lot more than we need high-end forward prospects. Celebrini and Smith already look like top line forwards as teenagers meanwhile there isn't a single defenseman or prospect in the entire organization guaranteed to be future top 4.

 

[Grinner]

You want to trade the unprotected 2026 1st to move up and select Misa?

The question was asked if we get the ,#1 pick and select Schaefer, would you condsider trading Dallas's 2025 1st. Our 2026 1st unprotected and our 2026 first from the Oilers to Chicago, for the 2nd oa in 2025. Thus having us draft both Schaefer and Misa.
I replied I'd consider it if Misa was a right handed shot

 

[Grinner]

It shouldn't be controversial to say we need a high-end defense prospect a lot more than we need high-end forward prospects. Celebrini and Smith already look like top line forwards as teenagers meanwhile there isn't a single defenseman or prospect in the entire organization guaranteed to be future top 4.

No faith in Dickinson?

 

[Hodge]

No faith in Dickinson?

I have a lot of faith in Dickinson but there's still a chance he "only" ends up as a Brenden Dillon type rather than a true top 4.

It's just a completely different situation than Celebrini and Smith who we've already seen make a big impact in the NHL.

 

[weastern bias]

It shouldn't be controversial to say we need a high-end defense prospect a lot more than we need high-end forward prospects. Celebrini and Smith already look like top line forwards as teenagers meanwhile there isn't a single defenseman or prospect in the entire organization guaranteed to be future top 4.

We are certainly more shallow in D prospect depth than F prospect depth, but at this point we simply need too much talent at every single position to be trading any high end futures for fit or need

Smith is not a sure bet, if he tops out as a 20G 60P winger we still need a top-6 playdriving forward to carry a line when Celebrini sits, I'm not counting any single prospect in the organization as a sure thing outside of Macklin, we need to maximize our chances of hitting on another gem by keeping our top picks for now

If we pick 3rd we pick 3rd, take your preferred prospect and move on, no one from the 2025 draft will be on the team before next spring anyway so we will be near the top of the draft again next year, keep your lotto tickets, it's not time to cash them out yet

 

[gaucholoco3]

The question was asked if we get the ,#1 pick and select Schaefer, would you condsider trading Dallas's 2025 1st. Our 2026 1st unprotected and our 2026 first from the Oilers to Chicago, for the 2nd oa in 2025. Thus having us draft both Schaefer and Misa.
I replied I'd consider it if Misa was a right handed shot

Yes I asked that question because I actually see Misa as a better fit at FW for this team and the way Grier wants to play than McKenna. I do agree that including both additional 1st is too much but I think both Schaefer and Misa would fit this team perfectly.

I just thought that since the Blackhawks tried to make a similar type of trade with Columbus last year they might be open to it. Maybe I’m leaning too much into Bedard wanting to play with his cousin but I could see Chicago going all in on McKenna.

 

[dmcccdmn]

You want to trade the unprotected 2026 1st to move up and select Misa?

No, he suggested that we trade our 2026 1st unprotected, Dallas 2025 1st, Edmonton 2026 1st for 2025 2OA pick to select Michael Misa.

 

[one2gamble]

No, he suggested that we trade our 2026 1st unprotected, Dallas 2025 1st, Edmonton 2026 1st for 2025 2OA pick to select Michael Misa.

That is still a hard pass

 

[sampler]

We are certainly more shallow in D prospect depth than F prospect depth, but at this point we simply need too much talent at every single position to be trading any high end futures for fit or need

Smith is not a sure bet, if he tops out as a 20G 60P winger we still need a top-6 playdriving forward to carry a line when Celebrini sits, I'm not counting any single prospect in the organization as a sure thing outside of Macklin, we need to maximize our chances of hitting on another gem by keeping our top picks for now

If we pick 3rd we pick 3rd, take your preferred prospect and move on, no one from the 2025 draft will be on the team before next spring anyway so we will be near the top of the draft again next year, keep your lotto tickets, it's not time to cash them out yet

In all reality, I think you are right. If we lose the lottery and end up 3rd, then we take BPA (hagens?) and move on. O

However, a trade to move up to #1 and get schaefer is very possibly this year depending on who wins the lottery. I figure hawks, nashville, or buffalo might be very open to it.

1. Hawks will want a C to play with Bedard and they just selected Levshunov 2nd overall last year. they already have Vlasic, Korchinsky, Rinzel, and kaiser all 22 or younger. Aside from nazar and bedard, they have very little in the forward pipeline as Boisvert and Moore at B grade prospects. I could easily see them trading down to 2 or 3 to get Misa or Hagens to have a future #1C.

2. Buffalo already has a pretty stacked D corps with Dahlin and Power, along with Samuelsson and Byram. They have spent thier top picks on D alot, so I figure they too might prefer a #1C over yet another high end D.

3. Nashville needs a C to replace stammer and orielly. Edstrom is their top C prospect and thats not saying much. They also could use help on D after Molendyk, but I figure they too might be indifferent between a #1C and a #1D prospect. They would be the least likely of the three to trade down as schaefer does fit them as well.

Furthermore, Misa is not universally ahead of Hagens, and certianly not by a lot, so the #2 and #3 picks are not THAT different this year to alot of teams. Hagens had a reasonable year in BC but he was still point per game and +21 as a freshman, so its not like he sucked. he had a solid World Jrs for the US, and he was the #1 consensus going into the year and remains a very high end C prospect. He doesn't fit the sharks needs right now, but if it werent for celly and smith, Id be pretty happy taking him. Other teams dont have a celly/smith, so Hagens is a pretty good takeway for them, and not that muh better (if at all) than Misa.

While the chances are very high that the sharks simple pick wherever they land, it is definitely a draft with lots of possibilities.... man I hope we win, cuz Schaefer is just what the docotr ordered for this franchise right now. Askarov in G (best goalie prospect out there), Schaefer-Dick at D (Arguably the best D prospects out there), Celly-Smith at C (arguably the best future 1-2 at C out there). And a small army of secondary pieces at W and depth D. That's a hell of a core to build around....