I doubt that but I don't know how it gets proven one way or the other. The Sens don't give up that 2nd for no reason from the Sharks perspective either.
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is it underwhelming? seems like a 2nd+B prospect is the general going rate for a capable middle 6 scorer.
One would think, but you know we're going to be hearing about it the rest of this season when Ostapchuk produces nothing because he's stapled to Barclay Goodrow.
For me, it's only in the sense of trading a guy we probably could keep when the going rate is not likely to be something more useful than what we're selling.
Specifically for a 5'10" one-way middle-six winger.
I obviously have no proof of that, but I feel like that was the negotiation portion of the deal. Grier has stated that he wasn't moving Zetterlund without the right player being made available in return, and that the Sens had been asking after Zetterlund all year and it was only when Ostapchuk was made available that he was willing to move Zetterlund. The 2nd isn't nothing, but I think the deal could have gotten done without it.
Hopefully the fact he was traded for Zetterlund will remind people not to judge a young depth guy acquired mid-season. Probably not, but one can hope.
Proven commodity vs unrealized potential. If Ostapchuck reaches his potential, especially given that he plays center, we win this trade without even factoring in the pick. If he doesn't, the pick soothes the sting.
Ottawa's usage of Zetterlund really shows his limitations. On a shitty team like the Sharks, he was able to play in a top 6 role. On a decent team, he is ideally not one of your top 6 forwards. So, that leaves the 3rd line next. Which I know a lot of us have said that he is a solid 3rd line winger, but is he really? He is bad defensively and is not trusted at all to be a PKer. Which are the 2 most important things you want from a third liner. You want them to be your primary PKers, so once that is done, the top 2 lines can hop on. Zetterlund does not offer that. So, he can't play on the 3rd line either.
As a result, he is stuck being a sub 10 minute a game 4th liner on Ottawa. We may miss his 20 or so goals a year now, but when we are a decent or better team, he would ideally not be a major part of it. I was upset about the trade at first, but honestly its been easy to move on.
As a result, he is stuck being a sub 10 minute a game 4th liner on Ottawa. We may miss his 20 or so goals a year now, but when we are a decent or better team, he would ideally not be a major part of it. I was upset about the trade at first, but honestly its been easy to move on.
You nailed it here. And when considering we all view him as a good 3rd liner then...how much money was he going to ask for as an RFA this summer? Probably top-6 money.
We won the race to first team eliminated from playoff contention.
1 dimensional smurphs without an elite trait*
Smith isn't big, but profiles as an elite offensive producer and PP guy. Celebrini isn't big, but is just elite at everything.
Eklund has some jam to his game and is a passable PKer when needed. I don't think it's sheer size as much as it is a style of play that Grier seeks. Eklund can be a pest, scores, and defends which is why he's likely to stick around even though he's 5'11.
It's less sexy compared to having a homegrown elite piece at all 3 levels (Celebrini, Schaefer, Askarov), but having that Misa line and then dealing from the Musty, Bystedt, EDM 1st, DAL 1st, etc. pool to go get top 4 D-Men that are good but not elite isn't a bad option either.
Be sort of an Edmonton style build, but hopefully not getting suckered into a Darnell Nurse contract and no goaltending. It can work if you do it right (though having Schaefer is just cleaner cut and allows us to maximize our trade capital better as top 6 wingers are a lot cheaper than top 4 D).
Both are nice options. I still like having a top 6 with Misa, Smith, Eklund, Cherny and Celebrini and hopefully Dickinson turned into a bonafide top pairing d-man like Petroangelo.
I like that too though I think Eklund, Chernyshov, Celebrini and Smith — with either pickups or hopefully guys like Musty, etc. figure it out with Schaefer / Dickinson anchoring our back end is probably the best version of this team. From what I’ve read of Schaefer, he has the potential to be much better than any guy we can trade for.
But yeah, Misa as a fall back is a pretty amazing fall back. Martone/Hagens makes me a little sadder.
Yeah, Eklund wins a lot more puck battles than he has any right to win and doesn’t get overpowered as much as one would think. I think he’d be a good playoff guy despite being smaller — and he can still get stronger.
I'm not rooting for it, but finishing third in the draft lotto is sort of what Grier deserves after tanking to finish last last year and winning the lotto and then trying the same thing this year hoping he would get the same result.
We had a 1/4 chance to get first overall. There was a significantly higher chance we would not have.
We won the lotto.
I think part of the reason why Cagnoni is getting the call up right now instead of helping the Cuda's playoff positioning is they want to see how well he can perform at the NHL level.
If he does, then I can see them picking Misa over Schaefer since they will have the left side locked up with Dickinson, Cagnoni, and Mukhmadullin.
Part of me also thinks that the reason Zetterlund ended up getting traded is that Grier is also thinking about picking Misa, and he would eventually become Zett's replacement on the 2nd line.
If he does, then I can see them picking Misa over Schaefer since they will have the left side locked up with Dickinson, Cagnoni, and Mukhmadullin.
Part of me also thinks that the reason Zetterlund ended up getting traded is that Grier is also thinking about picking Misa, and he would eventually become Zett's replacement on the 2nd line.
More than the current poll, I'd like a poll to see who people want at 3rd overall with the assumption that Schaefer and Misa go top-2.
Options: Hagens, Martone, Frondell, Eklund, McQueen, Desnoyers, J. Smith
Options: Hagens, Martone, Frondell, Eklund, McQueen, Desnoyers, J. Smith
I know, but I'm saying that's why he ended up getting traded. Why resign him when you're just gonna draft his replacement?
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